NFL Thread 2019-2020

[cheebs09]

It sounds like as part of the waiver the NFL wanted Kaepernick to sign, they added in language that would make it more difficult for him to sue them again for collusion. The more that comes out, the worse this looks for the NFL.

[The Sultan]

It sounds like as part of the waiver the NFL wanted Kaepernick to sign, they added in language that would make it more difficult for him to sue them again for collusion. The more that comes out, the worse this looks for the NFL.

Are you implying that Stephen A. may not understand the subtleties of contracts and employment law??

[Cheeks]

It sounds like as part of the waiver the NFL wanted Kaepernick to sign, they added in language that would make it more difficult for him to sue them again for collusion. The more that comes out, the worse this looks for the NFL.

Old news, reported 4 days ago.

His little PR stunt, will be interesting if anyone goes after him now.  The safest bets would be Baltimore or Seattle where he holds a clipboard and does nothing else, but I don't think many teams will want the drama for someone that isn't close to elite.

[MUBurrow]

Workout was a bad idea from the start, handled poorly by everyone, and neither side had any interest in recognizing the legitimate suspicions each side has of the other. Dumb.

[cheebs09]

Old news, reported 4 days ago.

His little PR stunt, will be interesting if anyone goes after him now.  The safest bets would be Baltimore or Seattle where he holds a clipboard and does nothing else, but I don't think many teams will want the drama for someone that isn't close to elite.

So, I'm curious what the PR stunt is. The NFL approaches him with this with 2 hours to decide and puts it at the least opportune time for the teams. Then, they throw conditions at him at the last minute that go above and beyond normal workouts and shows the ulterior motive of the NFL.

Granted, I'm not sure about some of the Nike stuff involved with this. I suppose you could call it a PR stunt that he moved it, but it sounds like the NFL was being unreasonable. I feel the NFL did this more as a PR stunt or to avoid another lawsuit than any other reason.

[forgetful]

Old news, reported 4 days ago.

His little PR stunt, will be interesting if anyone goes after him now.  The safest bets would be Baltimore or Seattle where he holds a clipboard and does nothing else, but I don't think many teams will want the drama for someone that isn't close to elite.

This wasn't a PR stunt by him. The NFL got caught in its own PR stunt, where it was trying to manipulate and take advantage of Kaep. It failed.

Shameful by the NFL.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Old news, reported 4 days ago.

His little PR stunt, will be interesting if anyone goes after him now.  The safest bets would be Baltimore or Seattle where he holds a clipboard and does nothing else, but I don't think many teams will want the drama for someone that isn't close to elite.

Who is creating the drama you speak of? Bootlicking snowflakes?

[Uncle Rico]

Who is creating the drama you speak of? Bootlicking snowflakes?

It would be a story for one week and then disappear

[Billy Hoyle]

This wasn't a PR stunt by him. The NFL got caught in its own PR stunt, where it was trying to manipulate and take advantage of Kaep. It failed.

Shameful by the NFL.

nailed it.

And considering the rave reviews on his performance from officials there the continued failure of any team to sign him further reinforces us his claims of collusion. Plus, the real drams isn't Kap, it's the fans and right wing media. The Tebow circus was ok, why not Kap?  He can actually throw a football and complete a pass.   

Detroit may be an option with Stafford out and the season spiraling out of control, or as the Lions call it, normalcy. 

[tower912]

nailed it.

And considering the rave reviews on his performance from officials there the continued failure of any team to sign him further reinforces us his claims of collusion. Plus, the real drams isn't Kap, it's the fans and right wing media. The Tebow circus was ok, why not Kap?  He can actually throw a football and complete a pass.   

Detroit may be an option with Stafford out and the season spiraling out of control, or as the Lions call it, normalcy.

I think Detroit should sign him.    However, they may make the choice that the season over and tank for draft picks.   

[Billy Hoyle]

I think Detroit should sign him.    However, they may make the choice that the season over and tank for draft picks.   

Wait, they aren't tanking right now?

[tower912]

Not on purpose.

[rocket surgeon]

nailed it.

And considering the rave reviews on his performance from officials there the continued failure of any team to sign him further reinforces us his claims of collusion. Plus, the real drams isn't Kap, it's the fans and right wing media. The Tebow circus was ok, why not Kap?  He can actually throw a football and complete a pass.   

Detroit may be an option with Stafford out and the season spiraling out of control, or as the Lions call it, normalcy.

  the nfl says here, we will put out the word and the venue for you(kaep) to showcase your schnit.  who was the last player they've done that for?  then kaep and his team mess that all up, change the venue, less people show up.  then post workout, kaep continues to criticize the very organization that is giving him a sloppy wet kiss??  only a handful of people show up, he's lobbing passes to open receivers running down the field...big whop.  sure he looks pumped up.  what else does he have to do?  any team that's ready for his sh*t show and divisive locker room, go right ahead.  then, when he doesn't work out, it'll be like the neighbor that won't go away...all around.  the aclu, jesse jackson, sharpton will all be on their soap boxes, etc etc  it's a lose lose scenario

[Uncle Rico]

  the nfl says here, we will put out the word and the venue for you(kaep) to showcase your schnit.  who was the last player they've done that for?  then kaep and his team mess that all up, change the venue, less people show up.  then post workout, kaep continues to criticize the very organization that is giving him a sloppy wet kiss??  only a handful of people show up, he's lobbing passes to open receivers running down the field...big whop.  sure he looks pumped up.  what else does he have to do?  any team that's ready for his sh*t show and divisive locker room, go right ahead.  then, when he doesn't work out, it'll be like the neighbor that won't go away...all around.  the aclu, jesse jackson, sharpton will all be on their soap boxes, etc etc  it's a lose lose scenario

Richie Incognito is in the NFL.  Raiders locker room seems fine.  Panthers have Eric Reid and Cowboys have Michael Bennett and the locker room is fine in both those places. 

[The Sultan]

Yeah I don't recall anyone saying Kaep was a problem in the locker room.

[Cheeks]

https://youtu.be/4vGj4k6vFdQ

[jesmu84]

  the nfl says here, we will put out the word and the venue for you(kaep) to showcase your schnit.  who was the last player they've done that for?  then kaep and his team mess that all up, change the venue, less people show up.  then post workout, kaep continues to criticize the very organization that is giving him a sloppy wet kiss??  only a handful of people show up, he's lobbing passes to open receivers running down the field...big whop.  sure he looks pumped up.  what else does he have to do?  any team that's ready for his sh*t show and divisive locker room, go right ahead.  then, when he doesn't work out, it'll be like the neighbor that won't go away...all around.  the aclu, jesse jackson, sharpton will all be on their soap boxes, etc etc  it's a lose lose scenario

Serious question...Have you read the info regarding the documents that the NFL wanted Kaep to sign? Do you understand why Kaep changed the venue?

[StillAWarrior]

  the nfl says here, we will put out the word and the venue for you(kaep) to showcase your schnit.  who was the last player they've done that for?  then kaep and his team mess that all up, change the venue, less people show up.  then post workout, kaep continues to criticize the very organization that is giving him a sloppy wet kiss??  only a handful of people show up, he's lobbing passes to open receivers running down the field...big whop.  sure he looks pumped up.  what else does he have to do?  any team that's ready for his sh*t show and divisive locker room, go right ahead.  then, when he doesn't work out, it'll be like the neighbor that won't go away...all around.  the aclu, jesse jackson, sharpton will all be on their soap boxes, etc etc  it's a lose lose scenario

If you honestly believe that the NFL was doing Kaepernick a favor, you haven't been paying attention.

I kind of find myself in the middle in the Kaepernick thing.  I'm well aware that based upon other positions I believe, I'm supposed to hate him.  But I don't.  I don't necessarily agree with him on the nature of the problem he is protesting, but I do respect what he is doing.  I've frequently defended him to people who are surprised that I'm on "his side."  But I'm not really.  I also think it's legit for team owners to not want to have him on their team or deal with him.  He feels strongly about something, and he's willing to take a stand.  I respect that.  He also appears willing to accept the consequences of doing so (we can debate how serious those consequences have been).  I respect that as well.  That said, there's no question that at this point he's far more interested in being an attention-seeking activist (all the "best" activists are) than an NFL quarterback.

But, as I said, anyone who thinks that the NFL is looking to do him any favors (or thinks that he's not talented enough to play in the NFL) is absolutely delusional.

[wadesworld]

  the nfl says here, we will put out the word and the venue for you(kaep) to showcase your schnit.  who was the last player they've done that for?  then kaep and his team mess that all up, change the venue, less people show up.  then post workout, kaep continues to criticize the very organization that is giving him a sloppy wet kiss??  only a handful of people show up, he's lobbing passes to open receivers running down the field...big whop.  sure he looks pumped up.  what else does he have to do?  any team that's ready for his sh*t show and divisive locker room, go right ahead.  then, when he doesn't work out, it'll be like the neighbor that won't go away...all around.  the aclu, jesse jackson, sharpton will all be on their soap boxes, etc etc  it's a lose lose scenario

You do realize that that's how all workouts for quarterbacks look, right?  No teams are putting on 11 on 11 scrimmages to work out potential quarterbacks, whether it's pre-draft workouts or free agents.

The NFL decided to "put on" a workout on a Saturday.  The people who would most benefit from seeing Kaepernick work out are the coaches in the NFL.  You know what coaches in the NFL are doing?  Traveling and preparing for Sunday games.  Besides Sunday, it's the worst day you could "put on" a workout for an NFL player.

By asking the question "who was the last player they've done that for?" you're getting hit smack in the face.  It was a publicity stunt.  If an NFL team wanted to see Kaepernick work out they would've set up an individual workout.  They wouldn't wait to let all NFL teams have an equal shot at seeing him work out.

They literally "set up" the work out without telling him.  Then they provided him a contract that basically said, "Here, we'll set up a nice workout for you and you then go away and can't sue us going forward."  They gave Kaepernick and his team 2 hours to decide whether they wanted to sign that.  What?

Sorry, but you should look more into the situation before you claim Kaepernick is the one screwing up the situation.

[MU82]

If you honestly believe that the NFL was doing Kaepernick a favor, you haven't been paying attention.

I kind of find myself in the middle in the Kaepernick thing.  I'm well aware that based upon other positions I believe, I'm supposed to hate him.  But I don't.  I don't necessarily agree with him on the nature of the problem he is protesting, but I do respect what he is doing.  I've frequently defended him to people who are surprised that I'm on "his side."  But I'm not really.  I also think it's legit for team owners to not want to have him on their team or deal with him.  He feels strongly about something, and he's willing to take a stand.  I respect that.  He also appears willing to accept the consequences of doing so (we can debate how serious those consequences have been).  I respect that as well.  That said, there's no question that at this point he's far more interested in being an attention-seeking activist (all the "best" activists are) than an NFL quarterback.

But, as I said, anyone who thinks that the NFL is looking to do him any favors (or thinks that he's not talented enough to play in the NFL) is absolutely delusional.

Reasonable, well-stated take.

You do realize that that's how all workouts for quarterbacks look, right?  No teams are putting on 11 on 11 scrimmages to work out potential quarterbacks, whether it's pre-draft workouts or free agents.

The NFL decided to "put on" a workout on a Saturday.  The people who would most benefit from seeing Kaepernick work out are the coaches in the NFL.  You know what coaches in the NFL are doing?  Traveling and preparing for Sunday games.  Besides Sunday, it's the worst day you could "put on" a workout for an NFL player.

By asking the question "who was the last player they've done that for?" you're getting hit smack in the face.  It was a publicity stunt.  If an NFL team wanted to see Kaepernick work out they would've set up an individual workout.  They wouldn't wait to let all NFL teams have an equal shot at seeing him work out.

They literally "set up" the work out without telling him.  Then they provided him a contract that basically said, "Here, we'll set up a nice workout for you and you then go away and can't sue us going forward."  They gave Kaepernick and his team 2 hours to decide whether they wanted to sign that.  What?

Sorry, but you should look more into the situation before you claim Kaepernick is the one screwing up the situation.

There is a lot of misunderstanding about what went on here. I won't pick on rocketman specifically because he's not alone, but yes, understanding what went on here requires looking past the "Quick List of Kaepernick Haters' Talking Points."

[shoothoops]

This piece today was really well done. (Seth Wickersham) It's a little lengthy but lots of good information.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28117460/inside-rams-chargers-marriage-nfl-fights-los-angeles?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

[wadesworld]

So apparently an apology wasn't necessary, given that Garrett did exactly what the Tweet suggested.

Anyways, Panthers better without Cam....

[The Sultan]

This piece today was really well done. (Seth Wickersham) It's a little lengthy but lots of good information.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28117460/inside-rams-chargers-marriage-nfl-fights-los-angeles?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Yeah, they should have tried to help Spanos in San Diego.  Two teams in LA isn't going to work.

[shoothoops]

Yeah, they should have tried to help Spanos in San Diego.  Two teams in LA isn't going to work.

1) The league can pony up money for Spanos for San Diego.
2) He can sell to someone more wealthy that can and will privately finance a stadium.

The people of San Diego deserved better.

[CreightonWarrior]

Myles Garrett's attempt at using the race card today...