Here come the judge...

[Pakuni]

So other than it will lead to more cheating and more corruption, it is ok and not a good argument.  Uhm, ok.

Classic slippery slope. It will lead to more cheating and more corruption ... because you say it will?
In reality, it's just as likely to lead to less cheating and corruption. There's no longer any reason for shoe companies, etc. to pay kids under the table and, besides the existing disincentives for that, the NCAA could create new ones. Likewise, if players can make money above board, there would be disincentive for them to "cheat" via the threat of losing that "legal" compensation.

[Cheeks]

Of course it's a recruiting advantage.  Schools already have recruiting advantages.  That's life.

And I find your hand-wringing about minorities and scholarship opportunities really convenient since you seem to be aghast at giving students such opportunities when it comes to dropping standardized test requirements.  Not to mention that's a slippery slope argument that doesn't seem to have much basis in reality.  More and more athletic scholarships are available now when compared to a generation ago, yet the "resource gap" between schools has widened considerably.  More forces are at work than you are acknowledging.


You are comparing college age students getting additional income to attend school with drugs and prostitution.  Just let that sink in for a moment.  It doesn't take a genius to realize that drug use and prostitution have other negative benefits on society.  Giving college kids additional money really doesn't.

No, I am showing examples of arguments by people if you just bring it above board it solves everything.  No, it doesn't...that was the point.

On admissions, Asians are minorities in this country...right?  Thanks.  Are more and more athletic scholarships going to be available if schools drop out because they cannot afford where some want to take this? 

Yes, schools have recruiting advantages that are built in and nothing can be done about weather, coeds, school size, etc.  This is why rules and guidelines are created where there can be some constraint elsewhere on things that are controlled....that is entirely the point.  Whether that is Standard Oil or a school offering to pay players, this is why governing agencies are created to try and balance market forces and some reasonable level of fairness.  No such thing as a free market, and the reason for that is complete destruction of the market if left to its own devices.  College athletics is not immune to this either.

[Cheeks]

Classic slippery slope. It will lead to more cheating and more corruption ... because you say it will?
In reality, it's just as likely to lead to less cheating and corruption. There's no longer any reason for shoe companies, etc. to pay kids under the table and, besides the existing disincentives for that, the NCAA could create new ones. Likewise, if players can make money above board, there would be disincentive for them to "cheat" via the threat of losing that "legal" compensation.

Just make pot legal and it will eliminate the black market.  Remember that one.  LOL.

Just grant amnesty and it will not happen again....pinky promise.  Lol

There are 1000's of such ridiculous claims in history that just easing this, or easing that was going to cure the problem.  Nope.

Your last sentence is the best one....except it ignores human action in wanting more.  By this logic the $5k stipend is in jeopardy now if cheating goes on, so surely it has stopped or disincentivizing bad behavior since that was instituted....oh wait....it hasn't, because there is always someone wanting more, someone willing to offer it, worth the risk, and the cycle continues with even more corruption.  This is what dishonest people do all the time.

[The Sultan]

Just make pot legal and it will eliminate the black market.  Remember that one.  LOL.

Because the black market is cheaper.  Proves my point once again.

[The Sultan]

No, I am showing examples of arguments by people if you just bring it above board it solves everything.  No, it doesn't...that was the point.

On admissions, Asians are minorities in this country...right?  Thanks.  Are more and more athletic scholarships going to be available if schools drop out because they cannot afford where some want to take this? 

Yes, schools have recruiting advantages that are built in and nothing can be done about weather, coeds, school size, etc.  This is why rules and guidelines are created where there can be some constraint elsewhere on things that are controlled....that is entirely the point.  Whether that is Standard Oil or a school offering to pay players, this is why governing agencies are created to try and balance market forces and some reasonable level of fairness.  No such thing as a free market, and the reason for that is complete destruction of the market if left to its own devices.  College athletics is not immune to this either.

The ironic thing, and I don't even think you realized this when you said it, is that the Standard Oil in this case is the NCAA.  It sets the level of compensation and does not allow freer market conditions to take place.  It uses a market dominant position to squelch competition. 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

My "gaydar" is sounding a five alarm alert!!

[Cheeks]

The ironic thing, and I don't even think you realized this when you said it, is that the Standard Oil in this case is the NCAA.  It sets the level of compensation and does not allow freer market conditions to take place.  It uses a market dominant position to squelch competition.

Hardly.  The SEC is the NCAA if we want to attempt an analogy, though it is poor because the ncaa has so little power and is made up of the very institutions it is trying to apply rules to.  Standard Oil is akin to Kentucky, or Alabama, or Memphis.

[Nukem2]

Hardly.  The SEC is the NCAA if we want to attempt an analogy, though it is poor because the ncaa has so little power and is made up of the very institutions it is trying to apply rules to.  Standard Oil is akin to Kentucky, or Alabama, or Memphis.

Yep, and guess who makes the rules.....the membership.

[The Sultan]

Hardly.  The SEC is the NCAA if we want to attempt an analogy, though it is poor because the ncaa has so little power and is made up of the very institutions it is trying to apply rules to.  Standard Oil is akin to Kentucky, or Alabama, or Memphis.

You show a fundamental lack of understanding here.  The NCAA, as Nukem says, it the membership.  The membership is working together to keep the costs low and the sponsorship income to itself.  It's a monopolistic cartel.  Similar to Standard Oil.

[79Warrior]

Yep, and guess who makes the rules.....the membership.

Ding ding ding!

[Nukem2]

You show a fundamental lack of understanding here.  The NCAA, as Nukem says, it the membership.  The membership is working together to keep the costs low and the sponsorship income to itself.  It's a monopolistic cartel.  Similar to Standard Oil.

All 354 Div I, or whatever #, members belong.  That's hardly a monopoly especially when you consider the many lesser members.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Seth Curry went to Liberty for one year then transferred to Duke. All of his games were on TV and he went undrafted. His brother Steph went to Davidson, played on a much smaller stage (rarely on national TV) and was drafted with the #7 pick in the first round.

So, to answer your question, "How does that sound?" as a rebuttal? It sounds dumb, a total refutation of a point you tried to make.

Legit LOL, thank you for that

[StillAWarrior]

Seth Curry went to Liberty for one year then transferred to Duke. All of his games were on TV and he went undrafted. His brother Steph went to Davidson, played on a much smaller stage (rarely on national TV) and was drafted with the #7 pick in the first round.

So, to answer your question, "How does that sound?" as a rebuttal? It sounds dumb, a total refutation of a point you tried to make.

Oof!  That's gonna leave a mark.

[Hards Alumni]

No, I am showing examples of arguments by people if you just bring it above board it solves everything.  No, it doesn't...that was the point.

On admissions, Asians are minorities in this country...right?  Thanks.  Are more and more athletic scholarships going to be available if schools drop out because they cannot afford where some want to take this? 

Yes, schools have recruiting advantages that are built in and nothing can be done about weather, coeds, school size, etc.  This is why rules and guidelines are created where there can be some constraint elsewhere on things that are controlled....that is entirely the point.  Whether that is Standard Oil or a school offering to pay players, this is why governing agencies are created to try and balance market forces and some reasonable level of fairness.  No such thing as a free market, and the reason for that is complete destruction of the market if left to its own devices.  College athletics is not immune to this either.

Is this a serious argument that you're trying to make?  Stupidity on display folks.

[Loose Cannon]

Yup, just an opinion shared by nearly 72% of the nation that say the media knowingly publishes false information to push their POV.   They did it to themselves for all to see.  But you are correct, just our opinions.

Merry Christmas to one and all.

Sinclair.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Is this a serious argument that you're trying to make?  Stupidity on display folks.

Once Chico's states his opinion, he finds it impossible to ever change his mind no matter what evidence or arguments are made. Thus, he is reduced to making dumber and dumber arguments to try to reduce his cognitive dissonance.

It is the same phenomenon as the people who scream "fake news!" anytime they are confronted with a fact that doesn't align with their beliefs.

[The Sultan]

All 354 Div I, or whatever #, members belong.  That's hardly a monopoly especially when you consider the many lesser members.

Of course it's a monopoly.  It is the largest sanctioning body in college sports by a mile, and works to keep compensation low.

[Nukem2]

Of course it's a monopoly.  It is the largest sanctioning body in college sports by a mile, and works to keep compensation low.

Hmmm, the members could easily change that.

[The Sultan]

Hmmm, the members could easily change that.

Of course they could.  They're incentivized not to.

[Nukem2]

Of course they could.  They're incentivized not to.

So, it's 354 monopolies?  It's not the organization.

[The Sultan]

So, it's 354 monopolies?  It's not the organization.

It's 354 organizations speaking and performing as one. 

[Pakuni]

So, it's 354 monopolies?  It's not the organization.

Would you prefer "Cartel?"

[MU82]

Yup, just an opinion shared by nearly 72% of the nation that say the media knowingly publishes false information to push their POV.   They did it to themselves for all to see.  But you are correct, just our opinions.

Merry Christmas to one and all.

Perfect. Let's go with majority on all issues

Abortion totally legal. Significantly more gun control than what's in place now. Some form of universal health care. End of gerrymandering. Etc.

Oh, and while we're at it, U.S. must change results of 2000 and 2016 elections.

Because, you know, what the majority says is always right!

Merry Xmas! (Don't forget to keep X in Xmas.)

[Lennys Tap]

Perfect. Let's go with majority on all issues

Abortion totally legal. Significantly more gun control than what's in place now. Some form of universal health care. End of gerrymandering. Etc.

Oh, and while we're at it, U.S. must change results of 2000 and 2016 elections.

Because, you know, what the majority says is always right!

Merry Xmas! (Don't forget to keep X in Xmas.)

Mike - I'm willing to wager that the majority has no idea what gerrymandering is.

[rocky_warrior]

Next political post earns a ban!