Biggest Bust of Wojo Era

[muguru]

Everybody who wasn't/isn't as good as Dwyane Wade = automatic bust. And obviously Wojo himself; worst coach in college hoops history.

Hell, guru and willie haven't seen this many busts since their days as porn stars.

I will say...if you're going to be a bust..my preference is that you're a BIG bust, as opposed to a small bust. Because if you're going to bust..I'd rather go big. 

[Galway Eagle]

Where in god's name did I say those two were busts for MU?? Good god do people like to read into things i say without actually paying attention..?? Guys like Carter, Cheatham, etc, now that's who I'm referring too..should have never been/busts for a program like MU. Want proof?? What schools did they end up at after leaving MU?? Low Mid majors..nuff said.

Haanif averaged nearly 12 a game and is transferring to Nebraska. While not a big time program it's not a mid major.

[muguru]

Haanif averaged nearly 12 a game and is transferring to Nebraska. While not a big time program it's not a mid major.

After transferring to FCGU after MU. Sandy transferred to UWGB, Traci transferred to LaSalle, Chartouney transferred FROM Fordham(though to be fair, pretty much everyone thought he'd be better). But, the point is, the players that transferred from MU, at least on the list above, transferred to low mid majors. Doesn't that tell you they probably should have never been recruited to MU to begin with?? Sure, every Coach misses, it happened to Buzz, Crean, Izzo etc.

[Galway Eagle]

After transferring to FCGU after MU. Sandy transferred to UWGB, Traci transferred to LaSalle, Chartouney transferred FROM Fordham(though to be fair, pretty much everyone thought he'd be better). But, the point is, the players that transferred from MU, at least on the list above, transferred to low mid majors. Doesn't that tell you they probably should have never been recruited to MU to begin with?? Sure, every Coach misses, it happened to Buzz, Crean, Izzo etc.

Dude I'm in agreement with you about the rest of them. Just saying Haanif did very well his freshman year and people were concerned he'd go pro early after that. He's also an example of those top 100s you want so many of

[Boone]

A bust award should be named after Froling. What a total stiff. How he could possibly earn a tryout before NBA talent evaluators is beyond me.

[muguru]

Dude I'm in agreement with you about the rest of them. Just saying Haanif did very well his freshman year and people were concerned he'd go pro early after that. He's also an example of those top 100s you want so many of

Well, i'd rather MU not have to make a living in the low top 100's consistently. I realize it is what it is, but the bust factor is higher when you have to live that way..However, say for example, you can pull in a top 25 kid sometimes..THEN maybe it's not so bad if you get another low 100, because that top 25 kid, should offset it IF that low top 100 kid busts. Again, it is what it is right now, and hopefully in the near future things will break MU's way more. It's not a perfect science for any coach.

[brewcity77]

People were talking about Haanif making a run at Jerel's scoring record. He likely would've at least been a regular starter as a sophomore and it's pretty easy to imagine him at least maintaining a row similar to what Sacar became.

He transferred to a smaller school to be close to home but once eligible had no trouble finding a high major home. He'll likely end up scoring 1,000+ points, getting 400+ rebounds, & 200+ assists. Maybe not the stud we hoped for, but definitely a solid career.

[Herman Cain]

Joe won SOTG twice, even more meaningful  in that he achieved it in a year when we had Markus and Sam. That should automatically disqualify him from the Bust list.

[BCHoopster]

There is only one bust, not his fault, but a player that has been on scholarship for 2 years,  zero points and zero minutes.  That to me is the ultimate wasted scholarship.

[brewcity77]

There is only one bust, not his fault, but a player that has been on scholarship for 2 years,  zero points and zero minutes.  That to me is the ultimate wasted scholarship.

Hard to label anyone a bust with (likely) 4 years of eligibility left.

[The Sultan]

And who has been sidelined by injury.

[Johnny B]

How is heldt not on this list? Cohen and Hannif are lightyears better. unless you take transferring into account or something.

[The Sultan]

Heldt was nowhere near a bust.

[Johnny B]

Heldt was nowhere near a bust.

no where near? ur crazy. I like the kid a lot, but he played like a 2 star. He was a top 100 recruit according to some sites and he was just flat out bad.

[The Sultan]

no where near? ur crazy. I like the kid a lot, but he played like a 2 star. He was a top 100 recruit according to some sites and he was just flat out bad.

Yeah that's not a "bust."  He was also not "flat out bad." 

Other than that, great point. 

[Johnny B]

Yeah that's not a "bust."  He was also not "flat out bad." 

Other than that, great point. 

guess it depends on someone's definition of "bust". But honestly he was pretty bad. Can you name a different scholarship player over the last 5 years or so that was clearly worse? If youre being honest, I don't think you can

[brewcity77]

guess it depends on someone's definition of "bust". But honestly he was pretty bad. Can you name a different scholarship player over the last 5 years or so that was clearly worse? If youre being honest, I don't think you can

Four year recruits, Carter is obvious. Transfers, Chartouny is obvious. Then of course there's Gabe Levin & Ike Eke who to date have literally done nothing on the court for MU.

[Silent Verbal]

Four year recruits, Carter is obvious. Transfers, Chartouny is obvious. Then of course there's Gabe Levin & Ike Eke who to date have literally done nothing on the court for MU.

Carter was not "obviously" worse than Heldt.  Carter wasn't a high major starter, but he would've been a huge upgrade from, say, Derrick Wilson on that 2012-13 Elite 8 team.  There were even people on here who were (probably only half) jokingly calling Traci a "recruiting miss" for Jay Wright when he got a technical for jawing at the Nova bench in Philly.

Post-2000, I think our worst four year players who've stayed all four years have been Chris Grimm, Derrick, and Heldt.  I know Traci didn't stay all four years, but he was way better than all those guys.

[Johnny B]

Four year recruits, Carter is obvious. Transfers, Chartouny is obvious. Then of course there's Gabe Levin & Ike Eke who to date have literally done nothing on the court for MU.

Id take carter over heldt. Joe C probably on the same level as heldt, not clearly worse. And the other.. Ike has been injured so how can we know if hes worse than heldt? He doesn't apply to my question. And TBH I have no idea who gabe Levin is, but since he didn't set foot on the court for MU ever he doesn't really apply either.

[Herman Cain]

Id take carter over heldt. Joe C probably on the same level as heldt, not clearly worse. And the other.. Ike has been injured so how can we know if hes worse than heldt? He doesn't apply to my question. And TBH I have no idea who gabe Levin is, but since he didn't set foot on the court for MU ever he doesn't really apply either.

Gabe was technically Wojos first recruit. A very desirable transfer we beat Notre Dame for . He signed showed up at campus and then left. Ended up having a very solid career at Long Beach State.

[Shooter Flatch]

My vote is for Joey. He got his feelings hurt and played a big role in the late season collapse then quit on his team and took his brother with him.
Would have been so much better if he never cane in the first place.

[MU82]

After transferring to FCGU after MU. Sandy transferred to UWGB, Traci transferred to LaSalle, Chartouney transferred FROM Fordham(though to be fair, pretty much everyone thought he'd be better). But, the point is, the players that transferred from MU, at least on the list above, transferred to low mid majors. Doesn't that tell you they probably should have never been recruited to MU to begin with?? Sure, every Coach misses, it happened to Buzz, Crean, Izzo etc.

Well, my friend, if it makes you happy, Sam and Joey transferred to high-majors!

[The Lens]

5 years, zero NCAA wins. 

Hmmmm

Wojo?

[Johnny B]

5 years, zero NCAA wins. 

Hmmmm

Wojo?

Things are looking somewhat bright going forward no?

[1SE]

Bust is of course relative to expectations, otherwise it would be a "Worst Player of the Wojo Era" poll.

While I don't think it is Hank, I'd say it's reasonable to argue he was a bust RTE. He was billed as a potential lottery pick. I'm sure there are some examples otherwise, but my guess is the VAST majority of teams with a lottery pick end up in the NCAA. He wasn't and we didn't. Sure he was the best player on the team that year, but he and the season could have been much better.