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MU82

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Re: Next step
« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2019, 01:02:48 PM »
I loved the Crean years. They brought me to MU.

All I'm saying, is look at the entire resume. Buzz was significantly more impressive than Crean, as a whole.

If Wojo brings in an all time, HOF player and we have 1 deep run in the tourney, and wojo does little to nothing else, I won't think his coaching tenure overall is a great success.

Fair enough. But he hasn't done that and therefore is nowhere near Crean's level of success. Not yet, anyway.

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Re: Next step
« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2019, 07:08:12 PM »
Agree time to get over it. But, you underestimate they type of player he will develop into. He started as a Freshman for MU. That's awfully impressive for a better than average player. Joey will be a very good player.
Wojo has a history of starting freshmen who disappear from MU.
Maybe he is playing players too early. They get upset when their playing time decreases. I really did not think Joey was going to start next year.

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Re: Next step
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2019, 07:16:16 PM »
I loved the Crean years. They brought me to MU.

All I'm saying, is look at the entire resume. Buzz was significantly more impressive than Crean, as a whole.

If Wojo brings in an all time, HOF player and we have 1 deep run in the tourney, and wojo does little to nothing else, I won't think his coaching tenure overall is a great success.

Fair. And true.

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Re: Next step
« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2019, 07:18:49 PM »
Of course, you can go back and read the posts from 2006.

C'mon, man ... that sounds like too much work.
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Re: Next step
« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2019, 07:04:35 AM »
C'mon, man ... that sounds like too much work.

I'm sure no one will, but reading those posts are actually very easy. At the top of the screen, there is a list of page numbers. Currently, I see the last one as 837. Just click on that 837 and it will bring you to the oldest posts on the site.
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Re: Next step
« Reply #55 on: May 23, 2019, 08:13:57 AM »
I wasn't around Scoop in the years after the FF run. Was Crean being sniped at to the degree that Wojo is getting sniped at?

Asking seriously, as I have no idea.

There was the outrage of getting to the Final Four and being blown out.....forget beating #1 Kentucky, or top 5 Pitt, or Missou and Holy Cross......the fact we lost to #2 Kansas and shot 29% or whatever it was....that’s all that mattered to some.
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Re: Next step
« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2019, 09:14:01 AM »
There were a few who hated Crean at the time.  There was some restlessness because the classes were not balanced and the inability to recruit and develop bigs.  There is more open hostility to Wojo than there was to Crean when he was the coach.  The hostility really took off after he left.
My recall is some sniping about game coaching and the inability to adjust, but this was more of a frustration than hostility.  Maybe Crean's improvement and embracing of the program history provided a cushion of satisfaction that kept things with him from reaching the current Wojo level.  Also probably why the way he left created such vitriol.
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Re: Next step
« Reply #57 on: May 23, 2019, 09:25:30 AM »
I’d say his recruiting and transfers were a big topic as well. The thought was he could only recruit anchor classes and not get guys around the top players when he couldn’t sell a ton of playing time.

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Re: Next step
« Reply #58 on: May 23, 2019, 09:37:57 AM »
I remember us complaining that he could not recruit bigmen.

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Re: Next step
« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2019, 09:47:49 AM »
There was the outrage of getting to the Final Four and being blown out.....forget beating #1 Kentucky, or top 5 Pitt, or Missou and Holy Cross......the fact we lost to #2 Kansas and shot 29% or whatever it was....that’s all that mattered to some.

I’m imagining willie on scoop had it existed after that game...

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Re: Next step
« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2019, 09:50:24 AM »
Sounds like there were plenty of complaints against Crean even after he took us to the FF.

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As to my point that Crean accomplished much more than Wojo at the same stage of their careers ... that qualifies me for Capt. Obvious status. And I still say it's not fair to say, "But if Crean didn't recruit Wade and didn't make it to the FF," because he did and he did.

Finally, as for the "next step" ...

The best coach in MU history was a guy whose only college coaching experience was at a tiny Catholic school, where he went 13-39 his last two years.

The second-best coach in MU history had one head coaching job, going 14-17 for a Sun Belt school, before we hired him.

The third-best coach in MU history had never coached a game at any level when Marquette hired him.

If and when Wojo leaves, how good will folks feel if we hire a replacement with any of the above resumes?

And why do some Scoopers feel we will have our pick of established, high-major coaches?
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