What Happened to school Loyalty and Pride?

[Galway Eagle]

Given that all signs are pointing towards Wisconsin, I have to ask this question. What happened to school loyalty?

I get the Hausers are here to play basketball, I get that they're from Wisconsin but honestly transferring to the arch enemy, to me, shows that they never bought into being a part of Marquette.

Just from a localized example I know there's students from the northern Chicago suburbs that went to Loyola HS who hate New Trier to this day and I know OPRF & Fenwick loathe each other well into adulthood. There's examples of this all over the country and I'm sure if you asked the Hausers about how much they like their HS School rival they'd scoff at them.

So why is it that allegiance is thrown out the window for college? Is it a different culture now? Does the basketball program not emphasize the rivalry like the rest of the school? Do I just know people who hang onto HS rivalries too long?

[NickelDimer]

Loyalty dwindles when options dwindle eh?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

How many schools want two slow unathletic malcontent limited players?

[The Sultan]

Loyalty dwindles when options dwindle eh?

I'm pretty sure it was always their intent to go to UW.  TedBaxter pointed out that the staff flat out stopped recruiting 2019 targets a few weeks ago.  UVA and MSU were tossed in the mix because it was Sam and Joey's respective runners-up.  Once they get off campus it will be official.

How many schools want two slow unathletic malcontent limited players?

If they were immediately eligible?  There would be MANY suitors.  Don't kid yourself.  The problem is tying up five years worth of scholarships for three years of production.  That's the issue.

[The Sultan]

Just from a localized example I know there's students from the northern Chicago suburbs that went to Loyola HS who hate New Trier to this day and I know OPRF & Fenwick loathe each other well into adulthood.

How stupid.

[Galway Eagle]

How stupid.

Added a lot to the conversation. Really, glad you took time out of your day to contribute less than nothing to this topic.

[GooooMarquette]

Does the Harvard of the Midwest even accept credits from MU, or are they just dreaming?

[Silent Verbal]

Added a lot to the conversation. Really, glad you took time out of your day to contribute less than nothing to this topic.

Holding onto the hatred you had for your hometown's rival high school is not healthy behavior for a mature adult.

[Galway Eagle]

Holding onto the hatred you had for your hometown's rival high school is not healthy behavior for a mature adult.

But holding onto it for the college rival like 99% of the folks do when the weren't even playing in the games is?

[The Sultan]

Added a lot to the conversation. Really, glad you took time out of your day to contribute less than nothing to this topic.

Seriously?  A college educated adult is wondering why people don't hold college rivalry grievances into adulthood like they apparently do for certain high schools in Chicago?

Maybe because it's an immature mindset.  I have Marquette friends that have sent their children to UW.  I have one who has a law degree from UW.  If the Hausers feel that they will be better off basketball wise at UW, they should go to UW.  You really think "school loyalty" should change that decision?

[The Sultan]

But holding onto it for the college rival like 99% of the folks do when the weren't even playing in the games is?

It's all in good fun.  I don't "hate" UW or its fans.  And if people actually do, they should reassess their priorities in life.

[Galway Eagle]

Seriously?  A college educated adult is wondering why people don't hold college rivalry grievances into adulthood like they apparently do for certain high schools in Chicago?

Maybe because it's an immature mindset.  I have Marquette friends that have sent their children to UW.  I have one who has a law degree from UW.  If the Hausers feel that they will be better off basketball wise at UW, they should go to UW.  You really think "school loyalty" should change that decision?

Not just Chicago. I used those as examples because I know firsthand. I knew people who went to the catholic schools around MKE (memorial pius etc) that would give out to each other all the time based on old games and what not.

It's all in good fun.  I don't "hate" UW or its fans.  And if people actually do, they should reassess their priorities in life.

Take a step back and review some of the posts re the Hausers headed to UW or some of the posts regarding Wisconsin (or ND who we don't even play anymore) in general on here. Then ask yourself if the majority on here have that same "it's all in good fun" mindset.

[GooooMarquette]

It's all in good fun.  I don't "hate" UW or its fans.  And if people actually do, they should reassess their priorities in life.

I don't "hate" UW or its fans...but I despise their basketball program and, by extension, their players and coaches.

[The Sultan]

Take a step back and review some of the posts re the Hausers headed to UW or some of the posts regarding Wisconsin (or ND who we don't even play anymore) in general on here. Then ask yourself if the majority on here have that same "it's all in good fun" mindset.

If they don't, they should reassess their priorities in life.

[NickelDimer]

I'm pretty sure it was always their intent to go to UW.  TedBaxter pointed out that the staff flat out stopped recruiting 2019 targets a few weeks ago.  UVA and MSU were tossed in the mix because it was Sam and Joey's respective runners-up.  Once they get off campus it will be official.


If they were immediately eligible?  There would be MANY suitors.  Don't kid yourself.  The problem is tying up five years worth of scholarships for three years of production.  That's the issue.

That's not my understanding of how this played out. And UW keeping the door open was an "in the event of" scenario which was smart.

[MU82]

It's all in good fun.  I don't "hate" UW or its fans.  And if people actually do, they should reassess their priorities in life.

I "hate" opponents, especially rivals, the way most fans "hate" them.

I don't wish personal tragedy on them or injuries or anything like that, but I do want them to lose. I don't want them to succeed. I don't want them to thrive. I would be thrilled if they went 0-31. I especially want to beat them when my favorite team faces them.

So now that the Hausers apparently have joined forces with F%cky, they are the enemy ... period. I wish nothing good for them, basketball-wise. They quit Marquette, therefore they are quitters, and I will treat them as the enemies and quitters they are.

One could argue that Ed Morrow and Koby McEwen also are "quitters" because they quit Nebraska and Utah State, respectively. And those folks would be right. But they didn't quit MY school, and therefore I do not regard them as quitters. Indeed, they are the opposite of quitters -- they are noble Warriors who wisely chose to join the forces of good.

If that sounds like something a fan would say, I plead guilty.

As for the opening question, loyalty has nothing to do with anything. The Hausers made a business decision. They made it out of selfishness, to be sure, but just about every decision of this kind -- including their decisions to go to Marquette in the first place -- is made with that person's best interests in mind.

Does anybody think Sam chose Marquette out of some kind of years-long loyalty to our alma mater? He chose it because, after Bo stoopidly spurned him, it was the best decision he could make for himself at that time. He and Little Quitter now think the best thing for themselves is to quit Marquette and go to our rivals.

That is their right, but I am allowed, as a fan, to "hate" them for it. They get no more love from me than Nutgrabber McDouchenozzle does or Bo did or Kim Effen Hughes' father did.

I don't know why that wouldn't be the same for anybody who calls himself/herself a Marquette fan.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So if the Hausers didn't like a play style that featured one ball dominant player....

Usage:
16-17: Ethan Happ: 26.7% Markus Howard: 26.7%
17-18: Ethan Happ: 34.9% Markus Howard: 30.9%
18-19: Ethan Happ: 33.6% Markus Howard: 37.4%

Is throw the ball in and let Happ work better than throw the ball in and let Markus work?

[KampusFoods]

So if the Hausers didn't like a play style that featured one ball dominant player....

Usage:
16-17: Ethan Happ: 26.7% Markus Howard: 26.7%
17-18: Ethan Happ: 34.9% Markus Howard: 30.9%
18-19: Ethan Happ: 33.6% Markus Howard: 37.4%

Is throw the ball in and let Happ work better than throw the ball in and let Markus work?

UW didn't have much of a choice given the rest of their team was pretty putrid offensively. Sam should step in and be their best offensive player barring a significant improvement elsewhere.

[Matt Heldt The Milk Man]

I think this is the most boneheaded, disrespectful, snake, horrible, thing that the Hausers have ever done. You go from being a top team in the country and being top 5 in preseason ranks, to being little snakes and forgoging loyalty because you, "dont get the ball enough'. I think that this is the best thing to happen because we dont need them. This will make the boys fired up and unstoppable. I just want to say sorry for the Big East cause its gonna be a bloodbath

[#UnleashSean]

I think this is the most boneheaded, disrespectful, snake, horrible, thing that the Hausers have ever done. You go from being a top team in the country and being top 5 in preseason ranks, to being little snakes and forgoging loyalty because you, "dont get the ball enough'. I think that this is the best thing to happen because we dont need them. This will make the boys fired up and unstoppable. I just want to say sorry for the Big East cause its gonna be a bloodbath

"OK"

[auburnmarquette]

Does the Harvard of the Midwest even accept credits from MU, or are they just dreaming?

Lol, thank you for the levity!

Yes, when my staff used to pitch business in Wisconsin I always tell them not to let anyone know I was a Marquette grad because there are a hundred badgers for every one warrior! Obviously I was exaggerating

[Hards Alumni]

So if the Hausers didn't like a play style that featured one ball dominant player....

Usage:
16-17: Ethan Happ: 26.7% Markus Howard: 26.7%
17-18: Ethan Happ: 34.9% Markus Howard: 30.9%
18-19: Ethan Happ: 33.6% Markus Howard: 37.4%

Is throw the ball in and let Happ work better than throw the ball in and let Markus work?

Ethan Happy graduated, Markus Howard is a Senior.

[auburnmarquette]

How many schools want two slow unathletic malcontent limited players?

As pro Markus as I am I can't go with you there. Obviously Joey turned out to be more of a defensive liabilitydue to not being quick enough to get the guy who's supposed to guard on many occasions. For that I'll be happy to have Bailey getting those minutes and wish he did down the stretch. However an excellent defensive rebounder who can also pop to the corner and hit a three is a nice commodity and I do believe he'll be very good as a sophomore.

I ranked Sam in my top 30 players in the country and I do think he got more open shots because of all the attention teams had to pay the Markus but he is still very talented.

I have to assume Joe is kicking himself for coming to Marquette early to possibly burn a year as a redshirt

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ethan Happy graduated, Markus Howard is a Senior.

I understand,  I was commenting on the play style. Supposedly the Hausers didn't like Wojos style so im wondering if Gards style is any better.

[Billy Hoyle]

Given that all signs are pointing towards Wisconsin, I have to ask this question. What happened to school loyalty?

I get the Hausers are here to play basketball, I get that they're from Wisconsin but honestly transferring to the arch enemy, to me, shows that they never bought into being a part of Marquette.

Just from a localized example I know there's students from the northern Chicago suburbs that went to Loyola HS who hate New Trier to this day and I know OPRF & Fenwick loathe each other well into adulthood. There's examples of this all over the country and I'm sure if you asked the Hausers about how much they like their HS School rival they'd scoff at them.

So why is it that allegiance is thrown out the window for college? Is it a different culture now? Does the basketball program not emphasize the rivalry like the rest of the school? Do I just know people who hang onto HS rivalries too long?

Maybe they feel that MU (or at least Wojo) was not loyal to them.

Maybe they think they will be better prepared for their future elsewhere, as all of the transfers MU has had. If you hate the Hausers for transferring then you better be hating Morrow and McEwan, and I hope you spent two years booing Roswey and three booing Fischer.

These kids owe us fans nothing. They are in college to prepare for the rest of their professional as we were. Kids transfer all of the time for a myriad of reasons, why should athletes be any different? 

And yes, you hang on to HS rivalries too damn long.