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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2019, 11:34:22 AM »
There are only 2 real goals in college basketball:
-Make the NCAA tournament
-Win games once you are there

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2019, 11:43:40 AM »

The narrative is going to be that Wojo overcame the loss of two of his top stars to lead a team to the Elite 8.  Like it or not, the press and fanbases put a great deal of emphasis on tournament results over the regular season.  Yeah you would pretty much have to extend him at that point.

Coaches leave all the time after tourney runs. If you wait a week to get that extension done, which you absolutely would if you were one of the last teams in the field, that's more than enough time for another high-major to come in and let him get hired away.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2019, 11:55:45 AM »
Don't see how you could get rid of Wojo at that point.

The tournament is everything. A Sweet 16 or better next year, regardless of what happened before it, and Wojo is more than safe.

Winning the conference is a great achievement but beyond that it really doesn't matter if you come in 2nd or 5th, as long as you make the tournament and get to the 2nd weekend. I could give a rat's @ss about rankings during the season. We were ranked 10th for a decent amount of time this season and look what that ended up doing for us. It was fun in the moment but it ultimately meant nothing.


I have always been fascinated by the everything is about the tournament crowd, and need to make the 2nd weekend/Sweet 16 or bust.  Agreed that nobody remembers who was ranked top 10 the week of January 15th, 2014.  But without looking it up can you tell me who made it to the 2nd weekend of the 2014 NCAA tournament, or who made it to the sweet 16 of the 2014 tournament?  Hell, name all the teams that made it to the 2nd weekend or sweet 16 of this years tournament.
Ultimately it is all irrelevant and these fan goals for teams are just stupid, and putting conditions in place for a coach that require them to make the sweet 16 or be fired are just not based in any sort of real world scenario

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2019, 12:00:31 PM »
I have always been fascinated by the everything is about the tournament crowd, and need to make the 2nd weekend/Sweet 16 or bust.  Agreed that nobody remembers who was ranked top 10 the week of January 15th, 2014.  But without looking it up can you tell me who made it to the 2nd weekend of the 2014 NCAA tournament, or who made it to the sweet 16 of the 2014 tournament?  Hell, name all the teams that made it to the 2nd weekend or sweet 16 of this years tournament.
Ultimately it is all irrelevant and these fan goals for teams are just stupid, and putting conditions in place for a coach that require them to make the sweet 16 or be fired are just not based in any sort of real world scenario

Tournament success matters to recruits.

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2019, 12:02:47 PM »
Coaches leave voluntarily all the time after tourney runs. If you wait a week to get that extension done, which you absolutely would if you were one of the last teams in the field, that's more than enough time for another high-major to come in and let him get hired away.

FTFY.
What you were suggesting is that Wojo be outright fired or gently nudged out the door.


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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2019, 12:15:26 PM »
Tournament success matters to recruits.

exactly.  VCU was in the first four in 2010, do you remember how they did during the season?  How about MU in 2011?  Ranked in the top 25? Conference champs?  Conference tourney run? How did Virginia do in 2018? #1 seed, #1 ranking, ACC regular and tourney champs.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2019, 12:30:15 PM »
Sorry guys but this team is now a last 4 in type of roster or a high powered NIT team. 
Lost too much and not adding enough. 

Best bet would be to hire some good JUCO guys like the coach that earned his keep for the most part before wojo.

But at least we will keep getting "good kids" that "represent the university well" with wojo that will transfer out of a top 5 predicted ranked team because they couldn't put their cods up on the table when it was time to deliver. 

I don't know what more opportunity to show something sam and joey wanted without a true PG to run an offense.   Joey can barely start a drive without traveling anyways.  They were getting a potentially solid PG next year and bailed. 

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2019, 12:38:52 PM »
I would sit Wojo Down and say...

I don't need a million excuses on why the Hauser's left. However, you need to know this is not a good look for Marquette basketball. Secondly, The best way to get past all of this is to win games next year, and next year's expectations don't change - you don't get to use the Hauser's departure as a crutch/excuse if things don't go well. We hired you to continue the tradition of Marquette basketball excellence.  It will be year 6 we expect the following.

1. Top 2 finish in the Big East
2. Playing in the finals of the Big East Tournament
3. Playing in the second weekend of the NCAA tournament
4. consistency ranked in the top 25
5. No additional distractions from your locker room

After the conversation takes place, I would also enact my plan B and start working all of my connections to figure out who our next coach could be in 12 months.

Sounds like plan b is really plan a.

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2019, 12:55:16 PM »
Who says there are any expectations?

Have you seen Lovell, Scholl or Broecker ever talk expectations?

I see a lot of RTing of friendly tweets but no one has even talked about losing the 1st Family of MU hoops, or talked about the 1-6 finish, or talked about getting jobbed vs Seton Hall.  It's like everything is fine.  And it's like they forget they have a few thousand season ticket holders + benefactors who pay the bills.

Now maybe they're working the phones and keeping the Visionary & Platinum level folks happy but you need to address the rest eventually and that hasn't been done at all.  It seems like they are all OK with what has transpired.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2019, 01:04:05 PM »
Who says there are any expectations?

Have you seen Lovell, Scholl or Broecker every talk expectations?

Yes

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2019, 01:12:10 PM »
Yes

Beyond generalities like high competitive? 

And has anyone heard from anyone besides since we went 1-6 and lost two starters? 

I'd be happy with one of them going ballistic on the Big East for the Seton Hall reffing situation.  Any sort of fire would look good.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2019, 01:22:17 PM »
Don't see how you could get rid of Wojo at that point.

The tournament is everything. A Sweet 16 or better next year, regardless of what happened before it, and Wojo is more than safe.

Winning the conference is a great achievement but beyond that it really doesn't matter if you come in 2nd or 5th, as long as you make the tournament and get to the 2nd weekend. I could give a rat's @ss about rankings during the season. We were ranked 10th for a decent amount of time this season and look what that ended up doing for us. It was fun in the moment but it ultimately meant nothing.

There are only 2 real goals in college basketball:
-Make the NCAA tournament
-Win games once you are there

+1.  It will be pretty obvious for us wojo supporters by next year if he needs to go.  Firing him after Buzz like year (his best NCAA wise actually) is not one of them.

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2019, 01:24:03 PM »
Beyond generalities like high competitive? 

And has anyone heard from anyone besides since we went 1-6 and lost two starters? 

I'd be happy with one of them going ballistic on the Big East for the Seton Hall reffing situation.  Any sort of fire would look good.

You want the president of Marquette University to have a public tizzy over the officiating of a college basketball game?

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2019, 01:29:31 PM »
I would sit Wojo Down and say...

I don't need a million excuses on why the Hauser's left. However, you need to know this is not a good look for Marquette basketball. Secondly, The best way to get past all of this is to win games next year, and next year's expectations don't change - you don't get to use the Hauser's departure as a crutch/excuse if things don't go well. We hired you to continue the tradition of Marquette basketball excellence.  It will be year 6 we expect the following.

1. Top 2 finish in the Big East
2. Playing in the finals of the Big East Tournament
3. Playing in the second weekend of the NCAA tournament
4. consistency ranked in the top 25
5. No additional distractions from your locker room

After the conversation takes place, I would also enact my plan B and start working all of my connections to figure out who our next coach could be in 12 months.
Very good. Only thing to be added, when he sits Wojo down  he should say "feel that blow torch under your ass? Well son, it will be a hand grenade under your ass if you do not perform as follows
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2019, 01:34:21 PM »
You want the president of Marquette University to have a public tizzy over the officiating of a college basketball game?
I’d rather he do that than post another self indulgent photo of himself.

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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2019, 01:35:02 PM »
You want the president of Marquette University to have a public tizzy over the officiating of a college basketball game?

if he does then does he then offer to reverse the outcome of the Creighton game since there were two errors on Joey's game tying shot?

You and I are probably in the same camp that this isn't an area for the President of any university to get involved.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2019, 01:36:33 PM »
I’d rather he do that than post another self indulgent photo of himself.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2019, 01:38:36 PM »
Let's face it, everybody sets goals. Our companies do. Government does. Families do. Basketball teams are no different.

AD to Wojo: "You're a Top 10 team on paper with the Hausers. You find their replacement so we do not lose a step."

AD to Wojo: "Let me repeat myself just so we're clear. Top 10 team in 2019-2020. Period. Make it happen!"

Wojo to AD: "But.....uhhh..."

AD to Wojo: "When s*it happens, you find the treatment plant and get rid of it. When dumpster fires explode, you're the fire department that has to put it out and get the dumpster ready to take on more trash.

"When two nationally heralded basketball players leave for other pastures, your job is to replace 25 points a game and develop the depth necessary to spell them.

"If you don't, then next year's conversation won't be pleasant."

Wojo to AD: "That's easier said than done..."

AD to Wojo: "What did you say I was paying you ... you think that's for tiddly winks?"

Wojo to AD: "but.....

AD to Wojo: "That will be all, Mr. Wojo."

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2019, 01:42:20 PM »
You want the president of Marquette University to have a public tizzy over the officiating of a college basketball game?

A little fire from ANYONE would go a long ways in reassuring the fanbase that no one is satisfied.  And I would make the Seton Hall refs the scapegoat to vent some frustration bc gaslighting your coach in public is probably not a good look.
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« Reply #44 on: April 17, 2019, 01:47:48 PM »
Beyond generalities like high competitive? 

And has anyone heard from anyone besides since we went 1-6 and lost two starters? 

I'd be happy with one of them going ballistic on the Big East for the Seton Hall reffing situation.  Any sort of fire would look good.

- Win the Big East
- Compete for national championships

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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #45 on: April 17, 2019, 01:48:08 PM »
Yeah....firing a coach....or encouraging one to leave after earning a 5 seed and making the Elite Eight is not realistic.

Let's pretend for a moment that Bruce Pearl ran a clean program. There were plenty of projections that had them as top 10 (or higher) before Mustapha Heron transferred. Hell, they were still preseason top 10 predictions after he transferred. You're really going to tell me that Pearl should have been fired because he earned a 5 seed instead of finishing in the top 10?

Maybe if it was a lower seed like 8-10 range, I could agree. But being finishing top 20 instead of top 10 can be forgiven by a deep tournament run.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2019, 02:07:57 PM »
MU AD does post-season interviews with each student athlete led usually by the staff member(s) responsible for each sport. This goes into the evaluation of the coaching staff.  TAMU or other pros here can elaborate on the details.

MU has a very professional athletics staff.  To think they have their head in the sand is a bad assumption.  To think they are going to fire a coach at every problem or loss is also amiss.  That wouldn't lead to a very stable department and long-term success would be at risk.

As to the Hausers and Wojo...Wojo is a systems coach who fits players into his system.  Buzz would fit his players into a system that increased the chances to win (Midgets).

Both are flexible but for players, it depends on fit. For Wojo and the Hausers, the flex was broken. To most on here, it seemed solvable.  It wasn't in the end.

Wojo is certainly on the ticker but a coach is always on one.  But, he also has a track record good and bad. His clock certainly just got sped up.  His grad transfer recruitment is key in these next few weeks.

To the Hausers, good luck.  We all enjoyed and appreciated your talents. Lots of great memories.
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« Reply #47 on: April 17, 2019, 02:19:13 PM »
MU AD does post-season interviews with each student athlete led usually by the staff member(s) responsible for each sport. This goes into the evaluation of the coaching staff.  TAMU or other pros here can elaborate on the details.



I've never heard of doing it with every student-athlete but rather just those departing (transfer or graduating).
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« Reply #48 on: April 17, 2019, 02:22:33 PM »
I assume you mean if he does 1,2,4, and 5. and if we make that assumption then we should be at least a 3 seed in the NCAA tournament and odds should be in our favor that the scenario above does not play out.

Yes, I got the order mixed up, but you got the point.

Being a 3-seed guarantees nothing. As a 3-seed, we came within a miracle of losing to Davidson in 2013 and within a whisker in 2003 of losing to both Holy Cross and Missouri. And the latter team had the greatest player ever to walk through the door. Lots and lots of 3 seeds have lost.

Otherwise, I've enjoyed reading the many posts, including those who think any coach would/should get fired after an Elite 8 run.

I also think it's moot because I doubt Scholl will outline that kind of list of demands. If he did, I agree with what 'topper said: Might as well just fire him today and bring in Matta, Wardle, Stan or a high school coach.
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Re: If I'm Bill Scholl...
« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2019, 02:54:12 PM »
Sorry guys but this team is now a last 4 in type of roster or a high powered NIT team. 
Lost too much and not adding enough. 

Best bet would be to hire some good JUCO guys like the coach that earned his keep for the most part before wojo.

But at least we will keep getting "good kids" that "represent the university well" with wojo that will transfer out of a top 5 predicted ranked team because they couldn't put their cods up on the table when it was time to deliver. 

I don't know what more opportunity to show something sam and joey wanted without a true PG to run an offense.   Joey can barely start a drive without traveling anyways.  They were getting a potentially solid PG next year and bailed.

Finally found something to comment on, and agree with.
And don't forget our favorite son, Henry Ellenson.
Always good PR for MU to win the recruiting wars in Wisconsin.
National or International Universities always recruit well in places like Wisconsin. 
We don't want any international players or low life Texas player around our sanctimonious program, now do we?
I'm almont ready to become a Seton Hall fan.  Hell, I live in N.J. most of the time and can pick up season tickets and not have to deal with this Scoop nonsense.
The way I see it, Wojo got played AGAIN.