We Might Look Back...

[Lennys Tap]

You are right, he was cut because he wasn't good enough to make the team.

He was good enough to get two years of scholarships for one year of sitting out and one year of mostly riding the pines - the years Henry was recruited and played for Marquette. Once Henry opted for the NBA Wally morphed into a player not good enough to make the team.

Nothing wrong with this IMHO. Wojo gets paid a lot of money to win basketball games for MU and sometimes cold blooded decisions have to be made in that pursuit. Wally, DJ Newbill and Damian Saunders are just different versions of the same story.

[D'Lo Brown]

I'm not sure I would call Wojo a 'dirty' coach. But the Wally episode was exceedingly mercenary.

And for anyone who thinks Wojo is a 'nice' guy I hate to tell you but he's an pretty boy of a person.

Wojo ain't pretty.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

[Billy Hoyle]

Nothing wrong with this IMHO. Wojo gets paid a lot of money to win basketball games for MU and sometimes cold blooded decisions have to be made in that pursuit. Wally, DJ Newbill and Damian Saunders are just different versions of the same story.

Not really. There were a lot of complexities for Saunders situation and in the end, he didn't do what he was supposed to do and may have engaged in activities that cost him his spot at MU.  He was definitely wanted at MU.

Newbill was just plain screwed over by Buzz.

I don't know the situation with Wally not returning but do know MU was willing to make a very generous arrangement to finish his degree and continue his track and field training.

[Jon]

He was good enough to get two years of scholarships for one year of sitting out and one year of mostly riding the pines - the years Henry was recruited and played for Marquette. Once Henry opted for the NBA Wally morphed into a player not good enough to make the team.

Nothing wrong with this IMHO. Wojo gets paid a lot of money to win basketball games for MU and sometimes cold blooded decisions have to be made in that pursuit. Wally, DJ Newbill and Damian Saunders are just different versions of the same story.

Lenny

There is a profound difference between a kid getting recruited over and the Wally saga. In the former the kid is seen as a potential contributor. In the case of Wally, it was a clear case of getting his brother to sign.

Wojo needs to be careful because there are at least two WI families of D I players who do not think highly of Wojo.

[Galway Eagle]

Lenny

There is a profound difference between a kid getting recruited over and the Wally saga. In the former the kid is seen as a potential contributor. In the case of Wally, it was a clear case of getting his brother to sign.

Wojo needs to be careful because there are at least two WI families of D I players who do not think highly of Wojo.

Who's the second? Duane Wilson's fam?

Either way seems like he gets some great pub from the Hausers

[Silent Verbal]

Not really. There were a lot of complexities for Saunders situation and in the end, he didn't do what he was supposed to do and may have engaged in activities that cost him his spot at MU.  He was definitely wanted at MU.

Newbill was just plain screwed over by Buzz.

I don't know the situation with Wally not returning but do know MU was willing to make a very generous arrangement to finish his degree and continue his track and field training.

To summarize:

Crean = above reproach

Wojo = above reproach

Buzz = evil incarnate

Yep, this is definitely not Chico.

[The Sultan]

Lenny

There is a profound difference between a kid getting recruited over and the Wally saga. In the former the kid is seen as a potential contributor. In the case of Wally, it was a clear case of getting his brother to sign.

Wojo needs to be careful because there are at least two WI families of D I players who do not think highly of Wojo.

DJ Newbill was not simply recruited over.  He was offered, he signed, and then the coaching staff stiff armed him so he wouldn't turn in his application.  He had to then hook on late elsewhere.

Wojo gave Wally a scholarship.  Of course it was so he had a better chance to get Henry.  He was also given time to show what he had on the court.  It wasn't worth him continuing.  Yet he was still given the ability to finish his schooling under scholarship and compete in his other athletic endeavor.

[Billy Hoyle]

DJ Newbill was not simply recruited over.  He was offered, he signed, and then the coaching staff stiff armed him so he wouldn't turn in his application.  He had to then hook on late elsewhere.

The coaching staff is the one party that held his application. They got a chance to get Jerel and had to screw someone over, it was Newbill.

Don't forget how they ran Roseboro at the end of the summer either. What they saw in him initially I'll never know but don't bring him in for the summer than run him so he'd have to sit out as a transfer. At least Newbill could go elsewhere and play immediately

[Dr. Blackheart]

The coaching staff is the one party that held his application. They got a chance to get Jerel and had to screw someone over, it was Newbill.

Don't forget how they ran Roseboro at the end of the summer either. What they saw in him initially I'll never know but don't bring him in for the summer than run him so he'd have to sit out as a transfer. At least Newbill could go elsewhere and play immediately

Huh?  Jerel?  You are way off, man.

[Herman Cain]

The coaching staff is the one party that held his application. They got a chance to get Jerel and had to screw someone over, it was Newbill.

Don't forget how they ran Roseboro at the end of the summer either. What they saw in him initially I'll never know but don't bring him in for the summer than run him so he'd have to sit out as a transfer. At least Newbill could go elsewhere and play immediately

The whole DJ Newbill things was puzzling. The kid was an extremely high level talent and his production proved that out.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/53149/dj-newbill

[tower912]

Jamil Wilson.  Not Jerel.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Jamil Wilson.  Not Jerel.

Davante

[Dr. Blackheart]

Don't forget how they ran Roseboro at the end of the summer either. What they saw in him initially I'll never know but don't bring him in for the summer than run him so he'd have to sit out as a transfer. At least Newbill could go elsewhere and play immediately

Also false. Roseboro didn't have to sit when he went to St. Bonnie's.

[NYWarrior]

Also false. Roseboro didn't have to sit when he went to St. Bonnie's.

You don't sit The Beast.

[Billy Hoyle]

Also false. Roseboro didn't have to sit when he went to St. Bonnie's.

he had to get a waiver because he'd enrolled in summer school on aid which triggers transfer status.

[MU82]

Wojo needs to be careful because there are at least two WI families of D I players who do not think highly of Wojo.

This might be true, Crash. Most folks are far more connected to the ins and outs of the program than I am, and you are part of "most folks."

However ...

We heard the exact same "warning" when Wojo was trying to seal the deal with Joey, who was coveted by bluebloods and other fine programs.

If the Hausers thought Wojo was squirmy with the Ellensons, or if Sam had a terrible experience as a freshman, Sam would have transferred -- after what he showed his fine freshman year, he would have had tons of suitors -- and they never would have let their precious younger son be coached by the evil Wojo.

Unless I'm missing something. Always possible.

[Billy Hoyle]

Davante

It was Jamil (my bad, I had just typed "Jerel" in another post) triggering the reason DJ got hosed. I don't know if anyone took a scholarship so they needed to get rid of Roseboro of they just told him to hit the road after the summer because he wasn't good enough.

DJ Newbill's path to Penn State was incredibly unique. A talented combo guard from Philadelphia's Strawberry Mansion High School, Newbill was recruited by Marquette and then-coach Buzz Williams after a standout senior year. He committed and signed a letter of intent, and was ready to spend the next four years in Milwaukee. However, when Oregon forward Jamil Wilson chose to transfer to Marquette, Williams and the Golden Eagles decided to pull Newbill's scholarship to make room. Newbill explained the situation to OS alum Bill DiFilippo last year in a piece for SLAM Magazine.

"After the school year was over, it was time for me start with the paperwork and getting into the school...then I got a phone call and Buzz was telling me...actually he called my high school coach and he told me that they were gonna take my scholarship and use it to go another route. They wanted me to go to prep school and recruit me all over again for the following year because they had given out too many scholarships."

https://onwardstate.com/2014/12/03/the-marquette-connection-dj-newbill-and-the-scholarship-that-wasnt/

[Room510]

I noted this line in the Newbill article :

"Buzz Williams, the man who cut him loose in that ethically questionable move, will be on the sideline across from him for the first time on Wednesday, when the Hokies of Virginia Tech come to town."

[brewcity77]

The 2010-11 team played 10 scholarship players and had Wilson sitting out. So how exactly did Newbill get cut for Jamil? Who were the other two scholarship players that requires the staff to rescind the offer?

It wasn't Roseboro, he was already at St Bonnie's. It wasn't Jake Thomas, he came the next year (and walked on initially). I don't think that narrative was accurate. It's often told, but the math doesn't add up.

[Dr. Blackheart]

It was Jamil (my bad, I had just typed "Jerel" in another post) triggering the reason DJ got hosed. I don't know if anyone took a scholarship so they needed to get rid of Roseboro of they just told him to hit the road after the summer because he wasn't good enough.

DJ Newbill's path to Penn State was incredibly unique. A talented combo guard from Philadelphia's Strawberry Mansion High School, Newbill was recruited by Marquette and then-coach Buzz Williams after a standout senior year. He committed and signed a letter of intent, and was ready to spend the next four years in Milwaukee. However, when Oregon forward Jamil Wilson chose to transfer to Marquette, Williams and the Golden Eagles decided to pull Newbill's scholarship to make room. Newbill explained the situation to OS alum Bill DiFilippo last year in a piece for SLAM Magazine.

"After the school year was over, it was time for me start with the paperwork and getting into the school...then I got a phone call and Buzz was telling me...actually he called my high school coach and he told me that they were gonna take my scholarship and use it to go another route. They wanted me to go to prep school and recruit me all over again for the following year because they had given out too many scholarships."

https://onwardstate.com/2014/12/03/the-marquette-connection-dj-newbill-and-the-scholarship-that-wasnt/

Davante took his scholarship. Newbill's long time mentor (John Hardnett) had passed away and the arrangement he had with Monarch was that Prep school was always on the table for him (or Devante). Newbill never enrolled if you remember.  It was unfortunate and crappy and wasn't right...but Buzz and staff didn't even know who his handler was any more...which is why the high school coach got the call.

On your next Bourbon Summit, you and Cheeks ought to fact check your talk points. 

[Lennys Tap]

To summarize:

Crean = above reproach

Wojo = above reproach

Buzz = evil incarnate

Yep, this is definitely not Chico.

This is typical "Billy".

Wrong on Jerel/Jamil.
Wrong on Roseboro.
Wrong on Damian Saunders.
Wrong that Crean, Buzz and Wojo didn't essentially do the same thing.

Always wrong, never in doubt. A true "insider". LOL

[The Sultan]

This is typical "Billy".

Wrong on Jerel/Jamil.
Wrong on Roseboro.
Wrong on Damian Saunders.
Wrong that Crean, Buzz and Wojo didn't essentially do the same thing.

Always wrong, never in doubt. A true "insider". LOL

Wojo and Buzz did very different things.  That's pretty obvious.

[Dr. Blackheart]

This is typical "Billy".

Wrong on Jerel/Jamil.
Wrong on Roseboro.
Wrong on Damian Saunders.
Wrong that Crean, Buzz and Wojo didn't essentially do the same thing.

Always wrong, never in doubt. A true "insider". LOL

I might add, the prep school stash was definitely a Crean thing that Buzz learned.  Lazar, Saunders, Derrick Wilson, Mayo...improve their grades, balance the classes.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

The 2010-11 team played 10 scholarship players and had Wilson sitting out. So how exactly did Newbill get cut for Jamil? Who were the other two scholarship players that requires the staff to rescind the offer?

It wasn't Roseboro, he was already at St Bonnie's. It wasn't Jake Thomas, he came the next year (and walked on initially). I don't think that narrative was accurate. It's often told, but the math doesn't add up.

You may want to double check that Brew.  I count 13.

Junior Cadougan
DJO
Jimmy Butler
Jae Crowder
Chris Otule
Dwight Buycks
Vander Blue
Joe Fulce
Davante Gardner
Erik Williams
Jamail Jones
Reggie Smith
Jamil Wilson