We Might Look Back...

[NickelDimer]

Not really. There were a lot of complexities for Saunders situation and in the end, he didn't do what he was supposed to do and may have engaged in activities that cost him his spot at MU.  He was definitely wanted at MU.

Newbill was just plain screwed over by Buzz.

I don't know the situation with Wally not returning but do know MU was willing to make a very generous arrangement to finish his degree and continue his track and field training.

You're tone of absolutes on one hand while rationalizing the other is comical

[Cheeks]

To summarize:

Crean = above reproach

Wojo = above reproach

Buzz = evil incarnate

Yep, this is definitely not Chico.

It's not me, but some of the weak mind are easily swayed.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

It's not me, but some of the weak mind are easily swayed.

Lest we forget hoopaloop another alter ego incarnation. Purdue grad and all things anti Chicos, except for the fact that it was Chico.  Split poersonality disorder often has divergent personalities. And when he is off his meds, anything goes

[Cheeks]

Lest we forget hoopaloop another alter ego incarnation. Purdue grad and all things anti Chicos, except for the fact that it was Chico.  Split poersonality disorder often has divergent personalities. And when he is off his meds, anything goes

Ok sunshine, I mean AhoyaBallscout, Blackswan, etc.

Billy can prove he isn't me in a heartbeat....I just need Lenny to say he is in for charitable donation. 

[Cheeks]

On your next Bourbon Summit, you and Cheeks ought to fact check your talk points.

Sigh.  Are you and others in on the charity?  Billy and I prove you wrong, you guys have to donate to charity of my choosing....I'll tell you right now that children will benefit.

Please commit to this, along with the others so we can help kids.

Billy, I know you said you worry about exposing who you are based on what you do....but I have a solution that will still work that these jokers cannot refute.

It's for the kids.  Who's in?

[Billy Hoyle]

Sigh.  Are you and others in on the charity?  Billy and I prove you wrong, you guys have to donate to charity of my choosing....I'll tell you right now that children will benefit.

Please commit to this, along with the others so we can help kids.

Billy, I know you said you worry about exposing who you are based on what you do....but I have a solution that will still work that these jokers cannot refute.

It's for the kids.  Who's in?

Let's talk.  I find it a perfect example of being insecure in one's beliefs if they refuse to believe more than one person could hold a counter belief or know information that threatens their world view.

I have met Cheeks, once, in New Orleans. He got met tickets to the Final Four. We met in the lobby of the Hotel Monteleone. That's it. He hasn't been in my kitchen.

[Billy Hoyle]

This is typical "Billy".

Wrong on Jerel/Jamil.
Wrong on Roseboro.
Wrong on Damian Saunders.
Wrong that Crean, Buzz and Wojo didn't essentially do the same thing.

Always wrong, never in doubt. A true "insider". LOL

So, I provided the link for Newbill. Dispute that.
How was I "wrong" on Roseboro." He needed a waiver.
How was I wrong about Saunders? Crean wanted him at MU.
None of the situations were "essentially the same thing."

[StillAWarrior]

I have met Cheeks, once, in New Orleans. He got met tickets to the Final Four. We met in the lobby of the Hotel Monteleone. That's it. He hasn't been in my kitchen.

I'm convinced that Cheeks and Billy are not the same person for one reason: Billy confirmed for me that Cheeks was wrong about "partial scholarships" in head count sports.

I knew Cheeks pretty well in my MU days (and was probably even in his kitchen a time or two). I've never been in Billy's kitchen, but we've discovered we have some mutual connections based upon his line of work.

[Cheeks]

I'm convinced that Cheeks and Billy are not the same person for one reason: Billy confirmed for me that Cheeks was wrong about "partial scholarships" in head count sports.

I knew Cheeks pretty well in my MU days (and was probably even in his kitchen a time or two). I've never been in Billy's kitchen, but we've discovered we have some mutual connections based upon his line of work.

You are a smart man.

The funny thing is that it wasn't until about 2 weeks ago that I finally guessed who Billy was and PM'd him. 

[Lennys Tap]

So, I provided the link for Newbill. Dispute that.
How was I "wrong" on Roseboro." He needed a waiver.
How was I wrong about Saunders? Crean wanted him at MU.
None of the situations were "essentially the same thing."

1.We all know the Newbill story. Dis I say differently?
2.You said Roseboro had to sit out. He didn't.
3.Crean "wanting" Saunders is beside the point. I'm sure Buzz would have "wanted" Newbill too. Neither could give the scholarship they promised because they didn't have one.
4. Of course they were.

[The Sultan]

FFS.  Not remotely the same thing.

[Cheeks]

4. Of course they were.

Uhm, not even close.  You are twisting the pretzel so many times it is embarrassing.

[CTWarrior]

Lenny

There is a profound difference between a kid getting recruited over and the Wally saga. In the former the kid is seen as a potential contributor. In the case of Wally, it was a clear case of getting his brother to sign.

Wojo needs to be careful because there are at least two WI families of D I players who do not think highly of Wojo.

While I agree the situations are different, as I recall, we did not use all of our scholarships Wally's year, so I didn't think it was so bad.  Somehow dumping one player so you can sign another seems worse to me.

[Lennys Tap]

Uhm, not even close.  You are twisting the pretzel so many times it is embarrassing.

LOL - not surprised you don't like the facts. And for you to call anything anyone else on this board says "embarrassing" is without a doubt the most unintentionally funny things ever written on Scoop.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Sigh.  Are you and others in on the charity?  Billy and I prove you wrong, you guys have to donate to charity of my choosing....I'll tell you right now that children will benefit.

Please commit to this, along with the others so we can help kids.

Billy, I know you said you worry about exposing who you are based on what you do....but I have a solution that will still work that these jokers cannot refute.

It's for the kids.  Who's in?

What are you proving me wrong on, oh cheeky one?  Billy himself told me you met up for a Borbon Summit.  Are your stories getting mixed up again?

[Cheeks]

What are you proving me wrong on, oh cheeky one?  Billy himself told me you met up for a Borbon Summit.  Are your stories getting mixed up again?

How are my stories getting mixed up, we aren't the same people no matter how much you want to be wrong on this one. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

How are my stories getting mixed up, we aren't the same people no matter how much you want to be wrong on this one.

First, I was addressing your new best internet friend Billy who told me you guys met at a Borbon Summit. You both argue the same things about Buzz and don't quite have all sides of the stories down correctly. I was pointing that out.

As to your Baby Jesus persecution, take it elsewhere.

[Billy Hoyle]

1.We all know the Newbill story. Dis I say differently?
2.You said Roseboro had to sit out. He didn't.
3.Crean "wanting" Saunders is beside the point. I'm sure Buzz would have "wanted" Newbill too. Neither could give the scholarship they promised because they didn't have one.
4. Of course they were.

I didn't say he HAD to sit out. But he would have if not for a NCAA waiver. Buzz didn't think about that when he kicked the kid to the curb at the end of the summer. Roseboro was lucky.

Saunders' not coming to MU wasn't due to not having a scholarship, it was due to his own failures. If had done what he needed to do, and not done what he did, he'd have been a Golden Eagle. Buzz screwed over Newbill, Saunders screwed himself over.

[Billy Hoyle]

What are you proving me wrong on, oh cheeky one?  Billy himself told me you met up for a Borbon Summit.  Are your stories getting mixed up again?

I don't drink Bourbon. Scotch for me.

[Cheeks]

I didn't say he HAD to sit out. But he would have if not for a NCAA waiver. Buzz didn't think about that when he kicked the kid to the curb at the end of the summer. Roseboro was lucky.

Saunders' not coming to MU wasn't due to not having a scholarship, it was due to his own failures. If had done what he needed to do, and not done what he did, he'd have been a Golden Eagle. Buzz screwed over Newbill, Saunders screwed himself over.

Bingo!

[Lennys Tap]

I didn't say he HAD to sit out. But he would have if not for a NCAA waiver. Buzz didn't think about that when he kicked the kid to the curb at the end of the summer. Roseboro was lucky.

Saunders' not coming to MU wasn't due to not having a scholarship, it was due to his own failures. If had done what he needed to do, and not done what he did, he'd have been a Golden Eagle. Buzz screwed over Newbill, Saunders screwed himself over.

BS Saunders was a qualifier.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I don't drink Bourbon. Scotch for me.

I stand corrected. Scotch Summit. I hope you stuck Cheeks with the bill. 

All kidding aside, I appreciate your contributions here.

[Billy Hoyle]

BS Saunders was a qualifier.

Yes, he was. Not what I was referring to.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Can anyone possibly read this entire string and have anything but one take on Chicos?  Or his social issues for that matter?

[Jon]

you met up for a Borbon Summit. 

A convocation to discuss the life and times of Pedro?