Expectations over the next 5 years

[Billy Hoyle]

dgies gets it...That's EXACTLY what I want and have wanted for many years...to return to the elite of college BB. Just be grouped amongst them is fine with me...MU CAN get there...I have no doubt..Had Buzz not been run out, they would be getting ever so closer..that I'm confident in.

Had Buzz not been "run out" the NCAA would have been on campus and we'd be on probation.

There are only a few truly "elite." Duke, UNC, Kansas and (maybe) Michigan State. UConn was but not anymore.

[NorthernDancerColt]

Had Buzz not been "run out" the NCAA would have been on campus and we'd be on probation.

There are only a few truly "elite." Duke, UNC, Kansas and (maybe) Michigan State. UConn was but not anymore.

Kentucky an interesting omit.

I think dgies is not at all delusional. UConn, Butler and Gonzaga...geez maybe even Syracuse, look like the kind of programs dependent upon one stellar coach to get their programs to reach the promised land. Marquette, miraculously, does not mirror those programs...but in a sense is in a very small league of programs which have gotten very near the top of the heap under a myriad of coaches. O'Neill was a GrantHill run away from taking us there. Crean got us there. Buzz got us very near there multiple times. Coach K touched on this in his radio interview with Homer and Wojo. Marquette has sustained near-elite status over generations. There's no reason to put a limit on what we can do or who we can become.

[jesmu84]

dgies gets it...That's EXACTLY what I want and have wanted for many years...to return to the elite of college BB. Just be grouped amongst them is fine with me...MU CAN get there...I have no doubt..Had Buzz not been run out, they would be getting ever so closer..that I'm confident in.

Uh... Dgies is on the same page that I am. Wojo is doing well, let's give him more time to succeed at creating Marquette "elite."

That is NOT your position. You want wojo fired.

Do you think before you post?

[muguru]

Uh... Dgies is on the same page that I am. Wojo is doing well, let's give him more time to succeed at creating Marquette "elite."

That is NOT your position. You want wojo fired.

Do you think before you post?

Why does it need to take so long?? Other Coaches have done better in lessor amount of times at programs...I mean hell, look how fast Buzz had MU in an Elite 8..Iowa State VERY seldom misses the tournament, and they do a lot of it with transfers.

Look, to me there is ZERO reason MU shouldn't be in the tournament every single year...and then win when they get there..At this point, if they did that..I'd be content. I don't think that's expecting a lot. But until that step is taken(winning in the tourney consistently), I think it's fair to wonder if Wojo is capable of doing that at MU, isn't it??

[jesmu84]

Why does it need to take so long?? Other Coaches have done better in lessor amount of times at programs...I mean hell, look how fast Buzz had MU in an Elite 8..Iowa State VERY seldom misses the tournament, and they do a lot of it with transfers.

Look, to me there is ZERO reason MU shouldn't be in the tournament every single year...and then win when they get there..At this point, if they did that..I'd be content. I don't think that's expecting a lot. But until that step is taken(winning in the tourney consistently), I think it's fair to wonder if Wojo is capable of doing that at MU, isn't it??

You were talking about elite. Now you're talking about just being in the tournament.

Which is it?

[muguru]

You were talking about elite. Now you're talking about just being in the tournament.

Which is it?

Elite, but that's my point, in order to get there, you have to make the tourney every year and then...do something that many feel isn't all that important for some reason...win. If you win 6 games, you cut down the nets...which is ya know, every school that makes it goal.

You don't become Elite by never winning in the tourney, or by not making it at all...especially when you get a high seed.

[Cheeks]

Why does it need to take so long?? Other Coaches have done better in lessor amount of times at programs...I mean hell, look how fast Buzz had MU in an Elite 8..Iowa State VERY seldom misses the tournament, and they do a lot of it with transfers.

Look, to me there is ZERO reason MU shouldn't be in the tournament every single year...and then win when they get there..At this point, if they did that..I'd be content. I don't think that's expecting a lot. But until that step is taken(winning in the tourney consistently), I think it's fair to wonder if Wojo is capable of doing that at MU, isn't it??

Patience grasshopper.  How long did it take those other schooler?  A long long long time.  Dean Smith was hung in effigy, just to give you an example.  Boeheim, people said he couldn't get it done. 

I really think a lot of folks here would benefit from a course on what is elite, and how long it took coaches and/or programs to get there.

Is Gonzaga elite?  They have a nice run going, but never won it all....but for years it was getting in and not doing much.  So many other examples. 

Your need more patience.

[Cheeks]

Elite, but that's my point, in order to get there, you have to make the tourney every year and then...do something that many feel isn't all that important for some reason...win. If you win 6 games, you cut down the nets...which is ya know, every school that makes it goal.

You don't become Elite by never winning in the tourney, or by not making it at all...especially when you get a high seed.

I gave you the data the other day...Kentucky won those 6 games one time in last 20 years.  Indiana. One time in 30.  UCLA one time in 40, etc, etc.  Gonzaga zero times.  So on and so forth.  It ain't easy being queasy.

[nyg]

Our hopes and expectations.

Black holes and revelations.

[Cheeks]

Hahahahahahahahah Ohhhh Chicos..smh...You mean the classes that the NCAA found no wrong doing for, because literally EVERY UNC student could have taken them?? Those classes?? I love how you spew nonsense and try to sling mud about other things when quite frankly I think you just do it to start fights/arguments. What's great about it is you talk about all of these things like the yare all so OMG horrible, how could anyone, anything do something like that. Because you have been the bastion of perfection in your life time, I'm sure.

I'm well aware of the outcome and argued the same...and that is the correct argument as far as NCAA is concerned....they have no jurisdiction over it.  That said, they (UNC) was allowing it.  MU has some sluff classes, all schools do....but some schools take it to an extreme with majors and everything else.

[Jay Bee]

What I expect as a fan is:
- consistently get the top player in WI to maintain local appeal

Why? I happen to be a huge fan of Marcus Domask, but you're honestly upset with Marquette because he's going to Northern Kentucky? Come on, dude.

[BM1090]

Yeah, that's not happening. We need to stop thinking we're going to return to the dominance of the McGuire years. As Bob Dylan predicted, the times they did a change. We can aspire to be a top 20 program but the second best program of the decade, as we were under Al? Not going to happen. Sorry.

I'm among the patient group of fans. But if Nova can reach the level they have reached over the past 5 years, then Marquette can reach that level too.

[WarriorFan]

Why? I happen to be a huge fan of Marcus Domask, but you're honestly upset with Marquette because he's going to Northern Kentucky? Come on, dude.

On this guy we agree... but he's not really a "top" Wisconsin guy.  There's plenty of good basketball in the region and maybe not every year but it's important to get the top local guys.  Guys like Vander, a couple guys named Jim from Racine, Tony Smith, Mike Flory, Wes, have been good for the program, and many of them have remained in/around the community after their playing days which helps build a community around the program. 

Nevertheless if the top Wisconsin guy is ranked 90 and coach can land a top 20 guy instead, go with the top 20 guy.

[Cheeks]

I'm among the patient group of fans. But if Nova can reach the level they have reached over the past 5 years, then Marquette can reach that level too.

Maybe, but will you be willing to be that patient?  From the comments here, people are not.  Nova hired Wright in 2001.

[Herman Cain]

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[brewcity77]

I'm among the patient group of fans. But if Nova can reach the level they have reached over the past 5 years, then Marquette can reach that level too.

I agree, though it's worth noting Jay Wright has now been there 18 years, so it took 13 years to reach the level Nova has reached.

[MU82]

In 5 years, my expectations are that Marquette will not have a coach named Wojo.

If things go badly, Wojo will be gone.  If things go well, he'll be gone.  Mediocre?  Gone.  Having a coach for an entire decade is unlikely.

Same expectation for me.

I also expect to still be living and breathing and cheering for my alma mater, but I don't take that for granted, either.

Can Marquette do what Gonzaga and Nova have done? That would be cool and I hope it's possible. Logically, one would think it is possible. Then again ... nobody else is doing it, so it obviously ain't easy.

But again, even Nova wasn't NOVA! just a few years ago.

Wright was a D1 head coach for 7 years before he even got the Nova job. His first 3 years in Philly were worse than Wojo's first 3 years in Milwaukee and there were many in Nova Nation who felt he was the wrong guy for the job. He didn't make the FF until his 15th year as a coach. He followed that with a second-round exit, a first-round exit and -- in his 18th year as a coach, 11th at Nova -- a freakin' 13-19 season. He won the national title in his 22nd season, 15th at Nova. Reading many of the posts here, I don't think Wojo would be afforded the same patience.

As for Gonzaga ... they stunningly made the E8 in only Dan Monson's second year. He promptly bolted for Minnesota, where he was a failure. Followed in ZagLand in 1999 by Mark Few, who has taken them to the NCAAs every single year. Impressive. And yet, after they reached the S16 in 2011, they went 5 straight years in which they failed to make it to the second weekend. Maybe the more impatient among the Scoopers say they would be OK with that, but I'm not really sure.

It's a fun topic. I'm sticking with the expectations that 'topper and I share.

[Cheeks]

In 5 years, my expectations are that Marquette will not have a coach named Wojo.

If things go badly, Wojo will be gone.  If things go well, he'll be gone.  Mediocre?  Gone.  Having a coach for an entire decade is unlikely.

Which is why, we will never be elite.  That doesn't mean I'm not a fan, far from the case.  It means the reality which is you cannot be elite without stability.  No school has done it with constant turnover of coaches because the very nature of elite is to do it over a long, consistent period of time.  I hope like hell he is here for a decade or two, it would be my dream in my lifetime to have a coach last 20 years.  Not since Al have we had one last 10. 

[BM1090]

Maybe, but will you be willing to be that patient?  From the comments here, people are not.  Nova hired Wright in 2001.

I am. As TAMU mentioned as long as we see consistent improvement and not a plateau for 3-4 years, I say stay the course.

[Cheeks]

I am. As TAMU mentioned as long as we see consistent improvement and not a plateau for 3-4 years, I say stay the course.

Right there with you, I hope the returns justify the emotional and financial investment.  I hope other MU fans can get on board, too. 

[THRILLHO]

Didn't one of her assistants get an MU player pregnant?

Yes, which is why I'm not satisfied with Terri Mitchell level performance -- I want to see her level of on-the-court success, PLUS no players getting pregnant.

[Coleman]

Which is why, we will never be elite.  That doesn't mean I'm not a fan, far from the case.  It means the reality which is you cannot be elite without stability.  No school has done it with constant turnover of coaches because the very nature of elite is to do it over a long, consistent period of time.  I hope like hell he is here for a decade or two, it would be my dream in my lifetime to have a coach last 20 years.  Not since Al have we had one last 10.

It can still happen. You just have to get lucky and get a coach who never wants to leave. It is rare, but it can happen. It happened for Mark Few at Gonzaga.

If Brian Wardle became a Marquette-caliber coach, who knows, maybe he'd stay here forever. He's not ready yet, but he's still young. Maybe he will be ready for MU in 5-10 years.

Also, I don't think Wojo leaves for any job except Duke. And its not a shoe-in Duke would want him. Coach K could retire, Duke hire someone else, and Wojo could end up being here 20 years for all we know.

[Cheeks]

It can still happen. You just have to get lucky and get a coach who never wants to leave. It is rare, but it can happen. It happened for Mark Few at Gonzaga.

If Brian Wardle became a Marquette-caliber coach, who knows, maybe he'd stay here forever. He's not ready yet, but he's still young. Maybe he will be ready for MU in 5-10 years.

Also, I don't think Wojo leaves for any job except Duke. And its not a shoe-in Duke would want him. Coach K could retire, Duke hire someone else, and Wojo could end up being here 20 years for all we know.

I hope it does.  I would love it to be 2035 and Wojo is leading the Warriors into the court.  It would mean that many good things are in store.  I hope it does.

[Marcus92]

Wojo waited for just the right head coaching opportunity. He wanted to be at Marquette. So I think there's a better-than-average chance he wants to stay here for the long term (assuming everything with the program is golden). But there's no way of knowing. We'll have to wait and see.

[Coleman]

I hope it does.  I would love it to be 2035 and Wojo is leading the Warriors into the court.  It would mean that many good things are in store.  I hope it does.

Amen!