Expectations over the next 5 years

[MUCam]

making tourney 4 times every 5 years (so 80%), making 2nd weekend 2-3 times in that 5 year period (so 50%) and slipping into a f4 every 10-15 years.

Imo, next year comes with serious pressure to make a trip to the second weekend. But I doubt admin makes a move if he makes tourney and only wins one game or loses first round.

Agree. This is about spot on where I stand. From what I recall, there are only 9-10 programs that have a current streak of consecutive NCAA appearances exceeding 5 years. Until recently, we were on that list.

4 of 5 years in the tournament is a reasonable expectation for the next five years.

Sweet Sixteen streaks are even rarer. I think only Gonzaga is beyond 3 currently. I'd like to think we can get there 2 times in the next 5, but would expect at least one visit.

Final Four is much more difficult, but once per decade would put Marquette in elite status.

If the next five years were to progress in this manner, then expectations would increase the following five years. Marquette has a wonderful tradition. It also has limitations. Returning to the glory days of the 1970's is not a pipe dream, but it also is not going to happen overnight.

I thought Buzz was the guy to get us there. I still think he would have. I will not get into all the issues related to off the court stuff, nor will I opine on his departure. Needless to say, the man has proven he can coach, although admittedly, there is a question as to at what cost.

Is Wojo the guy? I have reservations. Next year will be very important. This off-season as well. Any regression from this year (a continued slide from the last 6-7 games for example), would be a sign that Marquette should move on. Do I think Marquette should right now? No. Did this season meet my expectations? On some levels, yes. Did the end of the season slide sour the season and fall well below expectations? Of course.

Next year is important. It sets up the momentum for the following four. If Wojo cannot improve next year, I will join the cut ties camp. But I think he gets one more year.

[WarriorDad]

making tourney 4 times every 5 years (so 80%), making 2nd weekend 2-3 times in that 5 year period (so 50%) and slipping into a f4 every 10-15 years.

Imo, next year comes with serious pressure to make a trip to the second weekend. But I doubt admin makes a move if he makes tourney and only wins one game or loses first round.

Does anyone know the number of programs that make the Sweet 16 or better 50% of the time over a 5 year period?  Feels low.

[pbiflyer]

We are a very unathletic team. Adding Koby and Greg is not going to significantly change that.
At the start of this year folks pointed at next year as final four worthy. Not many have that feeling now.
And the year after is a step back from that and the following years are based on a recruiting class that currently has 1 player to replace at least 4.
Not a promising forecast.

[pbiflyer]

No expectations according to most.  We run a clean program and for Christ's sake, we finished 2nd in the BE.  Who cares if we ever win a tourney.  Wtf do you want!!!!!!!   Geez

So you're basically good with the male version of Teri Mitchell?

[Benny B]

Year 1 Expectations: A national championship in the next five years.
Year 2: A national championship in the next five years.
Year 3: A national championship in the next five years.
Year 4: A national championship in the next five years.
Year 5: A national championship in the next five years.

[Galway Eagle]

So you're basically good with the male version of Teri Mitchell?

Didn't one of her assistants get an MU player pregnant?

[MUMonster03]

UNC did miss...under Doherty...guess what they did?? FIRED him. That's not acceptable at UNC. It hsould also not be acceptable at MU.

Boeheim has missed, but he has also been there forever and with everything he has done for that program he has earned the right for a slip up or two. Wojo hasn't come close to earning that right...and he shouldn't be given it.

UNC missed the tourney in 10 with Williams.

[MUMonster03]

I expect us to be ranked the majority of the time. Next year we should start in the Top 25 or be right out.

NCAA tournament every year, the rebuild is over. (Unless Wojo starts bringing in so many one and done's that roster turnover cause a bad season)

2 Conference championships
1 Conference Tournament championship (it's a crap shoot)
3 Second weekends of tournament (If getting 5 seeds or higher this should happen regularly)

[avid1010]

TC went to 2 NITs following a FF and Buzz didnt make the tourney in his last year at MU. 

[brewcity77]

There's definitely a difference between my hopes and the results I would be okay with. I think at the minimum, 4 NCAA appearances and Wojo reaching 200 career wins (would require over 20 wins/year).

But I also want at least 3 event level results. Something you hang a season on. I'd consider those to be conference titles, conference tournament titles, Sweet 16s, Final 4s, and national titles. Those could all be in one season, spread over 3 different seasons, or even just be one lucky run (3rd in Big East to at large to S16/F4/NC in a month).

I want sustained success, but I also want at least a few moments that make me say "this guy can get us to the next level."

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

We are a very unathletic team. Adding Koby and Greg is not going to significantly change that.

The problem is that the athletes and basketball players are different people.

Markus, Sam, and Joey are the three best players on the team but ordinary athletes  (for D1 basketball players).  Eke is probably the best pure athlete on the team but an incredibly raw basketball player.

That's why Wojo is targeting players who are both skilled and athletic in 2020.  Torrence is a start, let's see who else he gets.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

The problem is that the athletes and basketball players are different people.

In my opinion, this isn't true at all. 

The problem is that there are a limited pool where it's overwhelmingly obvious that someone is both athletic enough and skilled to be successful & dominant.  If you cannot get the obvious ones (top players), you have to choose to either coach up athletes or have a system designed to minimize the deficiency in athleticism.  Both can be successful paths....

[mu_hilltopper]

In 5 years, my expectations are that Marquette will not have a coach named Wojo.

If things go badly, Wojo will be gone.  If things go well, he'll be gone.  Mediocre?  Gone.  Having a coach for an entire decade is unlikely.

Eat em if you got em.  #Arbys.

[MUMonster03]

TC went to 2 NITs following a FF and Buzz didnt make the tourney in his last year at MU.

I should have caveated it with having a bad recruiting year as well.

TC's two classes after 03 were not good, we finally saw more success when he landed the 3 amigos.

Buzz had his fair share of recruiting misses but the JUCO finds offset that. The last year with JJJ being raw, Dawson, Duane injured, and Burton being the only need contributor coupled with he loss of Vander was too much.

There was a run there of 8 straight tournaments because recruits either panned out or we were able to supplement the roster i other ways so there is no reason it can't happen again.

Hopefully 5 years from now we won't be looking at it as 2 NCAA's in 6 years, but rather 6 straight NCAA's with a period of 1 in 5 in between the two streaks. 

[dgies9156]

Our expectation should be competitive for an NCAA National Championship.

Will we get there every year? Heck no! But to expect anything less would be to accept mediocrity.

At day's end, Coach Wojo was hired to bring us back to the same status as the McGuire era. It's been slower than we like, but the goal should be an elite team in college basketball. One that can recruit as the best and stand tall against North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Kentucky, Villanova and whoever else emerges in the next five years as the best in the business.

[Cheeks]

Of course they shouldn't...but when is the last time any of them missed 3 times in a 5 year span..?? When's the last time a Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas have missed?? I know Kentucky was in the NIT several years ago..But were right back in the NCAA's again and haven't missed a beat since...UNC did miss...under Doherty...guess what they did?? FIRED him. That's not acceptable at UNC. It hsould also not be acceptable at MU.

Boeheim has missed, but he has also been there forever and with everything he has done for that program he has earned the right for a slip up or two. Wojo hasn't come close to earning that right...and he shouldn't be given it.

2010 UNC missed with Roy Williams.  Boeheim has missed.  Coach K has missed.

Apparently taking real classes at UNC is also not acceptable, eh Guru? 

The point is that even the elite coaches miss.  The other point is that we aren't Duke, UNC, etc...so why do you keep comparing us to schools we have no business being compared to....because for one 8 year period we were like them?

[Charlotte Warrior]

Didn't one of her assistants get an MU player pregnant?

yes, and got fired from his head coaching job after she transferred to follow him.

[Marcus92]

Marquette was never in the same league as Kentucky, North Carolina or Kansas -- public universities that have won multiple national titles under multiple head coaches over the course of multiple decades.

But Villanova proves what's possible here.

There's a similar background, for one. Both Nova and MU are private Catholic universities with less than 15,000 students. Villanova was founded in 1842, Marquette in 1881. MU's basketball program dates back to 1916; Nova's to 1920. And the two schools won their first national title within 8 years of one another: MU in 1977 under the legendary Al McGuire, Nova in 1985 under Rollie Massimino.

The biggest difference is that Villanova found a successor who could build on the foundation Massimino established -- and who wasn't going anywhere else. Jay Wright took the reins as head coach of the Wildcats in 2001. Almost 20 years later, he oversees the dominant program in the Big East, one that's won 2 of the past 3 national titles.

Finding that perfect fit isn't easy. Neither is winning a national title. But that should always be Marquette's goal.

[MU_Beav]

We must make the tournament every year.

[WarriorFan]

I need to preface my expectations with the following:  I don't care who coaches marquette basketball.  I like Wojo, I liked Buzz, I liked Al, I thought KO was great... but that's a decision I don't get to make, so this isn't about coaching... it's actually about entertainment. 

What I expect as a fan is:
- top 25 all the time
- NCAA tournament every year
- clean program
- be in the top 3 teams in an elite conference
- consistently get the top player in WI to maintain local appeal
- play in great early season tournaments in interesting locations
- beat UW every year
- create / develop / resuscitate another rivalry equivalent to the UW rivalry (Notre Dame?)

The above makes MU basketball very entertaining for me.  It also makes it accessible because in the above case every game will be on TV which means I can watch from wherever I happen to be. 

[hairy worthen]

For me it's National Championship every other year. I wouldnt ask for winning the NC every year because that would be ridiculous.  Also it is not too much to ask to win the NC in consecutive years at least once per decade. Anything less than that and the coach should have his ass run out of town.  and as far as chico's and his crapshoot schtick, even a crap shoot comes up a winner once in a while.

[muguru]

2010 UNC missed with Roy Williams.  Boeheim has missed.  Coach K has missed.

Apparently taking real classes at UNC is also not acceptable, eh Guru?

The point is that even the elite coaches miss.  The other point is that we aren't Duke, UNC, etc...so why do you keep comparing us to schools we have no business being compared to....because for one 8 year period we were like them?

Hahahahahahahahah Ohhhh Chicos..smh...You mean the classes that the NCAA found no wrong doing for, because literally EVERY UNC student could have taken them?? Those classes?? I love how you spew nonsense and try to sling mud about other things when quite frankly I think you just do it to start fights/arguments. What's great about it is you talk about all of these things like the yare all so OMG horrible, how could anyone, anything do something like that. Because you have been the bastion of perfection in your life time, I'm sure.

[Marcus92]

For me it's National Championship every other year. I wouldnt ask for winning the NC every year because that would be ridiculous.  Also it is not too much to ask to win the NC in consecutive years at least once per decade. Anything less than that and the coach should have his ass run out of town.  and as far as chico's and his crapshoot schtick, even a crap shoot comes up a winner once in a while.

Yeah, how did bozos like Tom "Accept The Status Quo Every Day" Izzo or Jim "Mediocre Sounds Good To Me" Boeheim ever get named to the Basketball Hall of Fame after winning one measly national title after decades as head coaches?

[Billy Hoyle]

At day's end, Coach Wojo was hired to bring us back to the same status as the McGuire era. It's been slower than we like, but the goal should be an elite team in college basketball. One that can recruit as the best and stand tall against North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Kentucky, Villanova and whoever else emerges in the next five years as the best in the business.

Yeah, that's not happening. We need to stop thinking we're going to return to the dominance of the McGuire years. As Bob Dylan predicted, the times they did a change. We can aspire to be a top 20 program but the second best program of the decade, as we were under Al? Not going to happen. Sorry.

[muguru]

Yeah, that's not happening. We need to stop thinking we're going to return to the dominance of the McGuire years. As Bob Dylan predicted, the times they did a change. We can aspire to be a top 20 program but the second best program of the decade, as we were under Al? Not going to happen. Sorry.

dgies gets it...That's EXACTLY what I want and have wanted for many years...to return to the elite of college BB. Just be grouped amongst them is fine with me...MU CAN get there...I have no doubt..Had Buzz not been run out, they would be getting ever so closer..that I'm confident in.