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Re: #17 Overall Seed (Top 5)
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2019, 07:05:25 PM »
But...TAMU, you have to admit...dropping 5 spots on the S-curve is two seed lines..that's huge actually. Imagine where they would have been had they won all 5 of those?? AT least the top 3 seed, if not the last 2 seed.

Not the point I am making. Of course if we had won all five we'd be a two seed. At this point, we would have been on a 10 game win streak in a high major conference.

The point I am making is that when there were those who wanted Michigan State to drop multiple seed lines for losing to Illinois, they were crazy. There was also a suggestion that there was an anti-MU conspiracy and that they would drop like a rock if they lost any games. We lost 5 and only dropped 5 spots. That theory was wrong as well.
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Re: #17 Overall Seed (Top 5)
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2019, 07:16:50 PM »
I did, and said as much.  Everyone here is so goddamn negative and reactionary.
We had a great season, had TEN Q1 wins (among the tops in the nation), and went through a slump like many others.

We were the #1 5 seed: this was no surprise to anyone that paid attention.

Umm of like the 200 brackets on bracketmatrix which are prepared by people that dig into this quite a bit more than you and I (I assume), very few had MU as closer to a 4 seed than a 6 seed.

I am not really one of the negative and reactionary posters. I’m generally very positive. I am thrilled with a 5 seed. But I expected to be about 5-6 spots lower on the a curve. Nothing crazy like a 7 or 8 seed like some people here we’re saykfn. It was very nice to see our great non con and start to BE play was respected.
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Re: #17 Overall Seed (Top 5)
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2019, 07:21:14 PM »
Not the point I am making. Of course if we had won all five we'd be a two seed. At this point, we would have been on a 10 game win streak in a high major conference.

The point I am making is that when there were those who wanted Michigan State to drop multiple seed lines for losing to Illinois, they were crazy. There was also a suggestion that there was an anti-MU conspiracy and that they would drop like a rock if they lost any games. We lost 5 and only dropped 5 spots. That theory was wrong as well.

I get what you're saying TAMU...but still, all MU had to do was win even two of those games and they MAY have kept their 3 seed. So dropping from a 3 to a 5...is kind of a monumental drop when you consider that had to do next to nothing to keep their 3 and they couldn't do it. Now, if a team is say 9th on the S curve during the first bracket reveal and then fall to 12 on the S curve come Selection Sunday...that is an inconsequential drop...you stay on the same seed line. I think dropping two seed lines(even if only 5 spots on the S curve) is pretty significant. In reality if you want to look at it like this...they dropped on spot on the S curve for every loss they had (5)...IF that were the same for a rise..had they won all 5 they would have been #7 on the final S-Curve..so in reality it was a 10 spot swing..That's pretty significant.
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Re: #17 Overall Seed (Top 5)
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2019, 07:22:13 PM »
Michigan State has a legitimate gripe being in Duke's region I think

I don't. I think Kentucky has a more legitimate gripe being behind Michigan State. Not that it mattered in seeding, but Michigan State belonged behind Kentucky, IMO.
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2019, 07:38:35 PM »
I don’t think anyone really expected us to be the top 5 seed after losing 5/6.

I didn't, But isn't this a sign of the Respect many on this board were lamenting about most of the season.  And now the Respect the Committee has shown is being doubted.  God Bless Message Board.
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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2019, 07:41:07 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2019, 07:42:40 PM »
Committee chair just said Marquette above Villanova for 10 Q1 wins vs 5, and better road record.
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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2019, 07:43:59 PM »
I didn't, But isn't this a sign of the Respect many on this board were lamenting about most of the season.  And now the Respect the Committee has shown is being doubted.  God Bless Message Board.

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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2019, 07:44:53 PM »
I'm not going to really complain but just imagine what they could have had had they not lost 5/6 and stayed as the top 5 seed...tells me the top 3 seed was very likely.

If they won the last 7 (big east champs) would have been a 2.

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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2019, 07:49:02 PM »
I didn't, But isn't this a sign of the Respect many on this board were lamenting about most of the season.  And now the Respect the Committee has shown is being doubted.  God Bless Message Board.

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Re: #17 Overall Seed (Top 5)
« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2019, 07:57:23 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2019, 07:58:57 PM »
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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2019, 08:00:24 PM »
I get what you're saying TAMU...but still, all MU had to do was win even two of those games and they MAY have kept their 3 seed. So dropping from a 3 to a 5...is kind of a monumental drop when you consider that had to do next to nothing to keep their 3 and they couldn't do it. Now, if a team is say 9th on the S curve during the first bracket reveal and then fall to 12 on the S curve come Selection Sunday...that is an inconsequential drop...you stay on the same seed line. I think dropping two seed lines(even if only 5 spots on the S curve) is pretty significant. In reality if you want to look at it like this...they dropped on spot on the S curve for every loss they had (5)...IF that were the same for a rise..had they won all 5 they would have been #7 on the final S-Curve..so in reality it was a 10 spot swing..That's pretty significant.

This is garbage logic.

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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2019, 08:01:32 PM »
They’re in play in game

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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2019, 08:01:58 PM »
After NYC, the last thing this team needs is Respect.

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« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2019, 08:03:11 PM »
As Rodney Dangerfield used to say ... we get too much respect!
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« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2019, 09:21:07 PM »
Agree with much of this thought we were a 4 or 5 at worst
I was at the last gAme vs murray state n no one thought we could win that one either.  Worked out pretty well for us then too
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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2019, 09:23:15 PM »
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« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2019, 10:24:15 PM »
I get what you're saying TAMU...but still, all MU had to do was win even two of those games and they MAY have kept their 3 seed. So dropping from a 3 to a 5...is kind of a monumental drop when you consider that had to do next to nothing to keep their 3 and they couldn't do it. Now, if a team is say 9th on the S curve during the first bracket reveal and then fall to 12 on the S curve come Selection Sunday...that is an inconsequential drop...you stay on the same seed line. I think dropping two seed lines(even if only 5 spots on the S curve) is pretty significant. In reality if you want to look at it like this...they dropped on spot on the S curve for every loss they had (5)...IF that were the same for a rise..had they won all 5 they would have been #7 on the final S-Curve..so in reality it was a 10 spot swing..That's pretty significant.

Again, I am talking about apples you are talking about dingos. I'm not talking about MU dropping. I'm talking about when you were complaining about anti-Marquette bias keeping Michigan State (and others) above them on the s-curve after they lost games. You said that teams like Michigan State and Purdue should have dropped to like 4 and 5 seeds for losing single games and claimed I and others were biased towards blue bloods when we said you were wrong.

If any other team had lost 5/6, you would be raging that they should have dropped more than 5 spots on the s-curve. The fact that Marquette only dropped 5 spots shows that there is no anti-Marquette or pro-blue blood bias. The reality is, individual games don't move you much on the s-curve.
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Re: #17 Overall Seed (Top 5)
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2019, 10:31:22 PM »
I've been watching alot of sports shows. Most seem to just assume it will be Murray state and FSU. Lol bring it to em

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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2019, 10:44:31 PM »
Again, I am talking about apples you are talking about dingos. I'm not talking about MU dropping. I'm talking about when you were complaining about anti-Marquette bias keeping Michigan State (and others) above them on the s-curve after they lost games. You said that teams like Michigan State and Purdue should have dropped to like 4 and 5 seeds for losing single games and claimed I and others were biased towards blue bloods when we said you were wrong.

If any other team had lost 5/6, you would be raging that they should have dropped more than 5 spots on the s-curve. The fact that Marquette only dropped 5 spots shows that there is no anti-Marquette or pro-blue blood bias. The reality is, individual games don't move you much on the s-curve.

And you're missing my point..my point is losing games does/should drop you and depending on where you were on the S curve at the time..it can/will drop you a seed line or two..MU is the example of that..it dropped them..like i said..you can almost look at it(at least in MU's example) like each loss dropped them a spot on the S curve..they were #12..ended up at #17..So..now lets look at MSU..without having their schedule in front of me..im not positive how many games they lost in that time frame..but i know it was 3 for sure..we know MSU was a 2 on the bracket reveal show..I don't remember off hand which two they were..but lets say they were #6 on the S curve then..and using MU's example of 1 loss=1 spot on the S curve..3 losses for MSU..should have them 9th on the s curve or the top 3 seed..they finished #8.

Yes in the grand scheme of things 5 spots on the S Curve doesnt sound like a lot..but when you realize you went from a 3 to a 5 it is hugely impactful because of matchups, locations etc. Again without having the info in front of me I can't say for 100% certainty but I'd be willing to bet no other team that was on the top three line on the bracket reveal show move down as far as a Mu did
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Re: #17 Overall Seed (Top 5)
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2019, 11:03:00 PM »
And you're missing my point..my point is losing games does/should drop you and depending on where you were on the S curve at the time..it can/will drop you a seed line or two..MU is the example of that..it dropped them..like i said..you can almost look at it(at least in MU's example) like each loss dropped them a spot on the S curve..they were #12..ended up at #17..So..now lets look at MSU..without having their schedule in front of me..im not positive how many games they lost in that time frame..but i know it was 3 for sure..we know MSU was a 2 on the bracket reveal show..I don't remember off hand which two they were..but lets say they were #6 on the S curve then..and using MU's example of 1 loss=1 spot on the S curve..3 losses for MSU..should have them 9th on the s curve or the top 3 seed..they finished #8.

Yes in the grand scheme of things 5 spots on the S Curve doesnt sound like a lot..but when you realize you went from a 3 to a 5 it is hugely impactful because of matchups, locations etc. Again without having the info in front of me I can't say for 100% certainty but I'd be willing to bet no other team that was on the top three line on the bracket reveal show move down as far as a Mu did

On the bolded, no other team in the top 3 line lost as much as MU did.

You can spin as many circles as you like, but the bottom line is you were wrong about dropping teams in front of us for losing single games and you were wrong about there being anti-marquette and pro-blue blood bias.
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2019, 11:25:24 PM »
As Rodney Dangerfield used to say ... we get too much respect!

I’m no fan of Joel Osteen, but my 93 yr old Aunt watches him, and I am her caregiver at this time, so I was forced to watch this morning. His sermon today was how mother Eagles purposely make the nest uncomfortable for their progeny eaglets just a week after their birth. The feathers and comforting leaves are purposely removed at the end of the first week by the parents..and then, during week 2...horror of horrors...the mother Eagle literally pushes the Eaglet out of the nest toward a free fall. The Eagle is programmed to push and make things as uncomfortable as possible for their young Eaglets. That shaking things up is what takes you to a new level.


Somebody please try to link this sermon for me. He literally ended by saying Folks, you are the Eagle about to soar to crazy heights because of the challenging dark places you are coming out of. We may not have understanding why the unfairness and obstacles were placed in front of us...but when we draw fuel from our failures we pile victory upon victory in our near future. Winners are forged from trial and doubt.

Maybe Chick is right....Junior Cadougan needs to preach again, followed by Wojo playing this Osteen sermon. Usually I’m a U2 “The God I believe in ain’t short of cash, mista” kind of guy...but this mega pastor just described our entire last month of our season!! Did Papa EagleWarrior Wojo script our entire  last month?
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« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2019, 09:14:43 AM »
Committee chair just said Marquette above Villanova for 10 Q1 wins vs 5, and better road record.

As I was saying

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« Reply #49 on: March 18, 2019, 09:19:39 AM »
I’m no fan of Joel Osteen, but my 93 yr old Aunt watches him, and I am her caregiver at this time, so I was forced to watch this morning. His sermon today was how mother Eagles purposely make the nest uncomfortable for their progeny eaglets just a week after their birth. The feathers and comforting leaves are purposely removed at the end of the first week by the parents..and then, during week 2...horror of horrors...the mother Eagle literally pushes the Eaglet out of the nest toward a free fall. The Eagle is programmed to push and make things as uncomfortable as possible for their young Eaglets. That shaking things up is what takes you to a new level.


Somebody please try to link this sermon for me. He literally ended by saying Folks, you are the Eagle about to soar to crazy heights because of the challenging dark places you are coming out of. We may not have understanding why the unfairness and obstacles were placed in front of us...but when we draw fuel from our failures we pile victory upon victory in our near future. Winners are forged from trial and doubt.

Maybe Chick is right....Junior Cadougan needs to preach again, followed by Wojo playing this Osteen sermon. Usually I’m a U2 “The God I believe in ain’t short of cash, mista” kind of guy...but this mega pastor just described our entire last month of our season!! Did Papa EagleWarrior Wojo script our entire  last month?
You mean it wasn’t the BE FrontOffice and zebras?

Please don't tell me you pushed your 93 year old aunt down the stairs after hearing that sermon.....
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