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Cheeks

A lot of memories with him as a grad student at IU in the mid 1990's.  I saw him on TV in October doing a rally in Indiana, and he had definitely slowed down, but didn't seem too bad.

"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me." Al McGuire

Pakuni

Well, if death is inevitable, he should relax and enjoy it.

TallTitan34

Quote from: Pakuni on March 02, 2019, 02:24:18 PM
Well, if death is inevitable, he should relax and enjoy it.

I see what you did there.

GB Warrior

Could have told you he wasn't well back in 2016.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on March 02, 2019, 02:24:18 PM
Well, if death is inevitable, he should relax and enjoy it.

Made me chuckle.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Goose


Benny B

Aren't we all in declining health?  Otherwise, wouldn't we live forever?
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

wadesworld

Quote from: Benny B on March 02, 2019, 08:27:09 PM
Aren't we all in declining health?  Otherwise, wouldn't we live forever?

No.


wadesworld


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Benny B

Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

Jay Bee

Lunch today:

Hit the 2-5 pm menu deals at Arby's

2 jalapeno roast beef sliders
1 small curly fries
1 snack size choc shake

Great meal. (Extra Arby's and Horsey (nh) sauce)
The portal is NOT closed.

4everwarriors

"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MU82

Neil Reed's throat was in declining health in 1997. He received death threats for years and died at age 36 of a heart attack.

Bobby Knight's legacy.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2019, 06:05:37 AM
Neil Reed's throat was in declining health in 1997. He received death threats for years and died at age 36 of a heart attack.

Bobby Knight's legacy.

He had a known heart condition going back to high school.  But don't let that fact get in the way of throwing in your gratuitous shot at Knight. 

MU82

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 03, 2019, 12:16:56 PM
He had a known heart condition going back to high school.  But don't let that fact get in the way of throwing in your gratuitous shot at Knight.

I didn't word mine properly. Wasn't accusing Knight of killing the kid ... just throttling him around the throat and then lying about it.

Then, when proof came out that he indeed committed assault and that he had been lying about it, he went after the assistant coach for being a "rat."

Truly a class human being.

Bobby Knight's legacy.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: MU82 on March 03, 2019, 12:26:24 PM
I didn't word mine properly. Wasn't accusing Knight of killing the kid ... just throttling him around the throat and then lying about it.

Then, when proof came out that he indeed committed assault and that he had been lying about it, he went after the assistant coach for being a "rat."

Truly a class human being.

Bobby Knight's legacy.

Fair enough.

No question his behavior and methods were often highly questionable and at times shameful. 

A brilliant basketball mind. 

MU82

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 03, 2019, 12:34:55 PM
Fair enough.

No question his behavior and methods were often highly questionable and at times shameful. 

A brilliant basketball mind.

He did have a great basketball mind. Even coaching friends of mine who hate his guts admit that he had more coaching knowledge than maybe anybody ever. Certainly a top-5 guy.

So it's a shame that he felt he had to physically and psychologically abuse young people, and felt he had to intimidate and bully pretty much everybody.

Jay Wright is a great coach. And I'm sure he occasionally gets frustrated and yells at a player or barks at support staff. But he somehow wins without being a bellicose bully 24/7. So do most good coaches. And although one could argue it's partly a generational thing, neither Wooden nor K nor many other great coaches over the years acted the way Knight did. Indeed, Wooden, while respecting Knight's coaching ability, was repulsed by his deeds and words.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

WarriorDad

"No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth."
— Plato

dgies9156

Bob Knight was old school. Pure and simple.

Whatever you think of his methods, his personal matters etc., he was a winner. A brilliant basketball mind and the kids who stuck it out with him respected him.

He got into trouble for throwing a chair and starting to choke a kid. Gee, we know a revered basketball coach who decked one of his guards in practice and had a fist-fight with an all-American forward. Same coach went off on the NCAA (with good reason) and ended up with two technicals in a NatChamp game. Not even Knight did that, not matter how bad he thought he was being screwed.

Perhaps the difference between Bob Knight and our revered basketball coach is twofold. First, Knight was harsh and militaristic both in public and private. You got full frontal everytime and every place. Our revered basketball coach was a bit of a free spirit.

Secondly, our revered basketball coach knew the PR aspect of his game. He was in control in public and he rarely, to my knowledge, ever said anything  that could be used to hang him. He knew how to play the image game and he did to the hilt. Knight was an "I am who I am" kinda guy.

My point is that Knight's methods and measures are being judged by today's standards and expectations. I know his comment about women and rape was deplorable -- and I'll betcha he wishes even today he never said it. The times were different and he was different and sometimes he was stupid.

As a side note, I kinda didn't like the guy after a 1973 NCAA game at Nashville where we lost to Indiana. The 1976 Mideast regional final was another moment when I wished I'd never see Bob Knight again. But several years later, in 1982,  I was pulled over by an Indiana State Police officer late at night near Vincennes because I was going 80 in a 50 zone. He remarked that I was a "big one" and asked if I ever played basketball. When I said no, I noted that I "admired and respected Bob Knight" for what he had done with that year's Hoosier team, the guy put away his ticket book and wrote me a warning.

Ever since that day, I kinda thought Bob Knight wasn't so bad after all!

tower912

I always had mixed emotions about Bobby Knight.    I admired his teams, his motion offense, his man-to-man help principles.   There were moments of true genius.  But I stopped liking him as a person after the chair throw and the Neil Reed incident.   It seemed as he got later in his career, it became more difficult to appreciate the coaching genius because the negatives of his personality became the story. 

Now, it is being reported that that great mind is disappearing.    I find myself contemplating the death thread here.    It is an end that faces us all.    And a question that faces us all.    Will we be remembered for the best of ourselves or the worst of ourselves?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Herman Cain

Here is a video of  Bobby Knight in November 2018. Seemed pretty vigorous for his age. Although I guess he could have had a decline as is being represented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvnmUZXeIK4
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    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

GB Warrior

Quote from: Herman Cain on March 03, 2019, 05:32:10 PM
Here is a video of  Bobby Knight in November 2018. Seemed pretty vigorous for his age. Although I guess he could have had a decline as is being represented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvnmUZXeIK4

Think this just proves his psychological decline was well underway

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