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GooooMarquette

When you're a contender - whether just for getting a ticket to the dance or for getting a good seed - every game is important. I don't see the need to decide which is "biggest."

When you aren't, the only big games are against rivals, highly ranked teams, and elimination games.

wadesworld

The team alone in 3rd place won what some here would claim is their 2 most important games of the season in sweeping the team alone atop the conference. Yet with 4 games to play in the conference the 3rd place team could win out and the 1st place team could lose out and the 3rd place team would still finish below the 1st place team in the standings.

Maybe all games matter the same so. Game in front of you is the most important of the season.

Let's get Wednesday.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Maybe in the macro all games equal the same.

Maybe in the micro some games matter a little more than others.

Why does it always have to be one or the other?
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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Pakuni

Things must be going really well in MU land when we can bicker and fuss over whether a particular game is not-at-all important, sort of important, really important or THE MOST IMPORTANT.
And, of course, the degree of "trap" for which it qualifies.
Good times.
Oh yeah, 23-4 and only one team has beaten us since Turkey Day.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: Pakuni on February 24, 2019, 01:13:39 PM
This must be going really well in MU land when we can bicker and fuss over whether a particular game is not-at-all important, sort of important, really important or THE MOST IMPORTANT.
And, of course, the degree of "trap" for which it qualifies.
Good times.
Oh yeah, 23-4 and only one team has beaten us since Turkey Day.


Truth. It's nice when there are still several regular season games left and the only questions about the Dance are our seed and the site.

muguru

Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 24, 2019, 01:26:12 PM

Truth. It's nice when there are still several regular season games left and the only questions about the Dance are our seed and the site.

Now, the key is for it to be like this every year.
"Being realistic is the most common path to mediocrity." Will Smith

We live in a society that rewards mediocrity , I detest mediocrity - David Goggi

I want this quote to serve as a reminder to the vast majority of scoop posters in regards to the MU BB program.

brewcity77

Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2019, 12:34:22 PM
The team alone in 3rd place won what some here would claim is their 2 most important games of the season in sweeping the team alone atop the conference. Yet with 4 games to play in the conference the 3rd place team could win out and the 1st place team could lose out and the 3rd place team would still finish below the 1st place team in the standings.

Maybe all games matter the same so. Game in front of you is the most important of the season.

Let's get Wednesday.

And in order for that to be the case, the team in first place had to wildly outperform the team in 3rd place in games that were not head-to-head. 12-0 as opposed to 6-7. Those games mattered so much that we had to be 7 better in the loss column to create the situation you describe.

wadesworld

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Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2019, 12:09:47 AM
And in order for that to be the case, the team in first place had to wildly outperform the team in 3rd place in games that were not head-to-head. 12-0 as opposed to 6-7. Those games mattered so much that we had to be 7 better in the loss column to create the situation you describe.

Yup. That's exactly the point. Every game matters exactly the same. Go undefeated against the bottom 7 teams in the conference and it really doesn't matter what you do against the top 2 teams. You'll find yourself sitting pretty.

Turns out those games weren't these all important games to St. John's. Or to Marquette. Turns out they were 2 of 18 games. Just like both teams' games against Providence were 2 of their 18 games.

Bocephys

We should really update this thread title to avoid confusing the team.  At least until Thursday, everyone agrees that the next game is our most important game of the season.

brewcity77

Quote from: Bocephys on February 25, 2019, 06:51:13 AM
We should really update this thread title to avoid confusing the team.  At least until Thursday, everyone agrees that the next game is our most important game of the season.

Hmm...not sure wades could believe that. If every next game is the most important, then no game is the most important. If all games matter exactly the same, which he just said, then this game isn't any more important than any other game and thus by definition it absolutely can NOT be the most important game.

wades has said declaratively in this post that every game matters the same. Therefore, no game is the most important game of the season. End of story, because he said it:

Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2019, 06:37:22 AMEvery game matters exactly the same.

Bocephys

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2019, 07:11:33 AM
Hmm...not sure wades could believe that. If every next game is the most important, then no game is the most important. If all games matter exactly the same, which he just said, then this game isn't any more important than any other game and thus by definition it absolutely can NOT be the most important game.

wades has said declaratively in this post that every game matters the same. Therefore, no game is the most important game of the season. End of story, because he said it:


#importancenomatta?

Lennys Tap

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2019, 07:11:33 AM
Hmm...not sure wades could believe that. If every next game is the most important, then no game is the most important. If all games matter exactly the same, which he just said, then this game isn't any more important than any other game and thus by definition it absolutely can NOT be the most important game.

wades has said declaratively in this post that every game matters the same. Therefore, no game is the most important game of the season. End of story, because he said it:

IMO if we play for the National Championship that game will be more important than our game against (fill in any cupcake) in November or December. I know that puts me far out on a limb and Wades will mock that sort of silly talk but I believe it anyway.

wadesworld

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2019, 07:11:33 AM
Hmm...not sure wades could believe that. If every next game is the most important, then no game is the most important. If all games matter exactly the same, which he just said, then this game isn't any more important than any other game and thus by definition it absolutely can NOT be the most important game.

wades has said declaratively in this post that every game matters the same. Therefore, no game is the most important game of the season. End of story, because he said it:

Yup, every game matters the exact same, so the most important game is the next one.  Can't change the past results, can't play a game 2 games in front of you.  The game in front of you, in this case at Nova, is the most important game of the season.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 25, 2019, 09:56:22 AM
IMO if we play for the National Championship that game will be more important than our game against (fill in any cupcake) in November or December. I know that puts me far out on a limb and Wades will mock that sort of silly talk but I believe it anyway.

So your argument is that a theoretical game that we will almost surely not be playing in is our most important game of the season?  Yeah, I do disagree with that lol.

But if we get to that game then yes, that game will become our most important game of the season.  Lot of game left to get to that point.  Very important ones.

TallTitan34

Quote from: Bocephys on February 25, 2019, 06:51:13 AM
We should really update this thread title to avoid confusing the team.  At least until Thursday, everyone agrees that the next game is our most important game of the season.

Haha edited to avoid confusion.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2019, 11:01:35 AM
Yup, every game matters the exact same, so the most important game is the next one.  Can't change the past results, can't play a game 2 games in front of you.  The game in front of you, in this case at Nova, is the most important game of the season.

So your argument is that a theoretical game that we will almost surely not be playing in is our most important game of the season?  Yeah, I do disagree with that lol.


No, my argument is that anyone who says a game against a cupcake matters as much as a conference game (or any number of other obvious comparisons) is stubbornly defending the indefensible. And I'm further arguing that when it comes to steadfastly defending clearly indefensible positions you are in a class by yourself. Congrats, condolences to Chico (somebody has to win the silver medal).


wadesworld

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 25, 2019, 11:22:34 AM
No, my argument is that anyone who says a game against a cupcake matters as much as a conference game (or any number of other obvious comparisons) is stubbornly defending the indefensible. And I'm further arguing that when it comes to steadfastly defending clearly indefensible positions you are in a class by yourself. Congrats, condolences to Chico (somebody has to win the silver medal).

So you're arguing that a game you never get to without winning the 5 games ahead of it, in a Tournament that you never get to if you don't take care of your regular season games or win 3+ games to get an autobid, is more important than the games that allow you to get to that game?

Interesting.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: wadesworld on February 25, 2019, 11:30:17 AM
So you're arguing that a game you never get to without winning the 5 games ahead of it, in a Tournament that you never get to if you don't take care of your regular season games or win 3+ games to get an autobid, is more important than the games that allow you to get to that game?

Interesting.

I think there is a pecking order of importance:

1. NCAA tournament games (if you get there)
2. Conference games.
3. Non Conference games
4. Cupcakes
5. Exhibitions

Furthermore, within the top 3 of these categories I think there are obvious variances in importance.

I think our win against UNC for the national championship was more important than our win against UWM that year. Hell I think it was more important than all 22 of our consecutive wins vs UWM put together.

Bocephys

Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 25, 2019, 11:12:23 AM
Haha edited to avoid confusion.

Phew, now we won't have to hear Wojo and Markus blame Scoop if things don't go as planned on Wednesday!

wadesworld

Just glad that Creighton wasn't the biggest game of the year.

Someday we'll learn. Respect the process. Until then we can hope to back door our way into a split conference title. That'll be cool.

Every game counts for 1 win or 1 loss. Whether it's at Nova or home against Creighton. Which makes the one in front of you the biggest game of the year.

TallTitan34

Quote from: wadesworld on March 03, 2019, 04:48:05 PM
Just glad that Creighton wasn't the biggest game of the year.

Someday we'll learn. Respect the process. Until then we can hope to back door our way into a split conference title. That'll be cool.

Every game counts for 1 win or 1 loss. Whether it's at Nova or home against Creighton. Which makes the one in front of you the biggest game of the year.

Damn it's really a shame Marquette doesn't hire you to give them your dated cliches. Maybe they would have held onto the ball if your focus wasn't limited to a internet message board.

wadesworld

Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 03, 2019, 05:01:09 PM
Damn it's really a shame Marquette doesn't hire you to give them your dated cliches. Maybe they would have held onto the ball if your focus wasn't limited to a internet message board.

Says the guy making threads about how one game isn't as important as another game.  Your threads have been straight 🔥 lately. Keep up the good work.

rocky_warrior

Everyone's frustrated by today's loss.  No need to take it out on each other...

Spaniel with a Short Tail


TallTitan34


brewcity77

Quote from: wadesworld on March 03, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
Says the guy making threads about how one game isn't as important as another game.  Your threads have been straight 🔥 lately. Keep up the good work.

Had we won the Nova game, we could still clinch the title outright with one more win. Had we won the Creighton game, we would've needed to win two games remaining. Easier to win one than two, thus Nova was the most important to date so far.

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