Beating Providence and Villanova in the next two would really put MU in the drivers seat. They'd be up 2 in the loss column with three to play (and of those three, two are at home). It ain't easy, but if MU wins the next two road games, barring injury, it's hard to imagine them not being BE regular season champs.
Beating Providence and Villanova in the next two would really put MU in the drivers seat. They'd be up 2 in the loss column with three to play (and of those three, two are at home). It ain't easy, but if MU wins the next two road games, barring injury, it's hard to imagine them not being BE regular season champs.
Huh? If Marquette loses to Providence and Nova beats Xavier this weekend that's a 1 game swing in the standings...
Ok and if Marquette beats Nova that’s a two game swing...
2 > 1
If MU beats Nova you guarantee they lose. If Marquette beats Providence you have to rely on Xavier to beat Nova to gain ground.
What game would you rather win wades? At Providence or at Villanova? Pick one.
That’s the most important game.
I won’t back off the two game thing.
I won’t back off the two game thing. Marquette plays tomorrow. Villanova doesn’t. So we will only move half a game. Yes I realize Nova will move half a game on Sunday but that’s out of MUs control.
So you want to beat Providence and lose at Nova. Got it. Great decision right there.
Personally I’d rather beat the team that is our only competition for a conference title but that’s just me.
Now Titan, I do NOT disagree with you at all here...HOWEVER, if MU fails to beat PC tomorrow(which would be a disaster), that take's A LOT of luster off the Nova game because..MU would then no longer control their own destiny to win the BE OUTRIGHT. That's what I want...I want the title outright. Co Champions of anything has never sat well with me in anything. One trophy, one Champion. That being said...if they win tomorrow and then win against Nova, it is for all intents and purposes...OVER.
Sure they would. Lose to Providence, beat Nova, MU would have 3 in the loss column and Nova would have 4.
Also, the reason THIS game is worth two is because of the tiebreaker. It's only worth that because we beat Nova already, so the two games combined are effectively worth 3 (1 each game, 1 bonus if either team sweeps. The reason Xavier won the league last year over Nova was because in games not against each other, Xavier went 15-1 and Nova went 12-4. They made up the 3 game margin. Had they won one fewer game, Nova would've been the 1-seed on basis of tiebreakers.
That is a two game swing in a single game.
If we lose to Providence and beat Villanova we'll be one game ahead of Villanova and own the tiebreaker for the #1 seed in the BET.
If we beat Providence and lose to Villanova we'll be be tied for first and the tiebreaker will be out of our control.
Of course beating Villanova is more important. No need to even discuss.
Aka head to head games are not worth 2 games. Had Xavier won 1 less game they would’ve split the BE title and been the 2 seed. If head to head games are worth 2 games it’d be mathematically impossible for a team that lost 2 head to head matchups to win an outright title if the team they lost both head to head matchups to had a total of 4 losses.
The second head to head game is worth 2 games for the team that won the first game because of the added bonus of the tiebreaker. So for us, it's worth two games.
And the latter part of your post isn't very clearly explained, but I already explained that the two game sweep is worth 3 games, not 4.
It only is worth 2 games for BET seeding purposes, which means very little. Nova didn't get an extra game bonus for beating Xavier twice last year.
They owned the tiebreaker, so yes they did. Xavier needed to finish three games better than them to achieve the result they did. Two games wouldn't have done it because Nova had the double head-to-head. This isn't a difficult concept, so at this point you can only be choosing to ignore the obvious in an attempt to support your theory of the next game. Anyone can see that of the next two games, beating Nova is more important. It's not even debatable.
Huh? They needed to finish 1 game better than Nova, and they did. Nova didn’t have the tiebreaker...there was no tie to break. It doesn’t matter who the wins come against, finish on top of the standings and you win the conference. Just like Xavier last year.
I’ll happily take a win against Providence tomorrow. Thankfully, unlike some posters seem to think here, we’ll still get to go play at Nova Wednesday even if we do win...we don’t have to forfeit!
Both games are just as important. Every game counts the same.
if MU fails to beat PC tomorrow(which would be a disaster)
When there is one one other team in the race and one game can insure both one in your win column & simultaneously in their loss column, it counts more. That's how math works.
Take care of the game Kenpom and Vegas expect you to and you have a half game lead going into a game you’ll be expected to lose by Kenpom and Vegas, with an extra game to play. Win today, lose Wednesday and you still control your own destiny to raise a BE championship banner in the Fiserv.
Lose today and you’re expected to lose Wednesday and suddenly a half game clear in the conference quickly becomes a 1.5 game deficit and all Nova has left is Butler at home and at Seton Hall. The conference title is basically wrapped up for Nova if we lose today, which is not expected and lose Wednesday, which is expected.
When you’re in first place the only game that matters is the next one. If you win the next game every game there’s no possible way to lose the conference title.
This thread was supremely stupid.
For once you are right wadesworld. The next game is the most important.
This belongs on scoops Mt. Rushmore of stupid back and forths.
Have been right every game this season. Ask Nova how important their wins over Xavier were last year in determining a BE title.
Yeah, well, "Nova won the BET and National Championships I think they're OK with their performance in the "most important" games. Xavier (2nd round losses in the BET and the NCAA) - not so much.
Have been right every game this season. Ask Nova how important their wins over Xavier were last year in determining a BE title.
They absolutely were. Look at what Xavier had to do in non-Villanova games to get that title by one game. That's because of Nova's wins over Xavier.
The most important game of the season is Villanova. Every other conference game only moves the needle half a game. If we win, we gain half a game on Nova. If we lose, we lose half a game on Nova.
The next game is the most important game of the season after every game. So technically yes it is, temporarily, until the next one. 👍
When we play Villanova if we win, we gain a full game on Nova. If we lose, we lose a full game on Nova. That is a two game swing in a single game. I would have to say that is far and away the most important game of the season.
Luckily, I am not on the team so it doesn't matter if I look past Providence... which I am not doing because I think it will be a tough game on the road against a good defense.
That being said, let's win them all!
So Xavier lost the more important games while Nova lost the less important games...yet Xavier won the conference. Why? BECAUSE EVERY WIN COUNTS THE SAME! This really isn’t hard lol.
Which has nothing to do with a Big East title. So thanks for the contribution.
But yes, we agree. The Xavier games were only the biggest games of the season for Nova when they were going into those games. After the regular season ends round 1 in the BET will be our biggest game of the year, you’re right. That’s the point. The next game is the biggest game. So not sure which side you’re arguing here...
Nova gets it. Of course you want to beat Xavier. But there’s a game to play after that. They did and won a Natty. Maybe you’re catching on.
You're right. It's not hard. You continue to fail to get it while everyone else on the board understands, but it truly isn't hard.
Must be hard to never be wrong.
Oh, he's frequently wrong. He just doesn't let that get in the way of being positive he's right.
So you’re on board with 2-16 is a BE title as long as the 2 wins come against Nova then?
That explains a lot.
This must be going really well in MU land when we can bicker and fuss over whether a particular game is not-at-all important, sort of important, really important or THE MOST IMPORTANT.
And, of course, the degree of "trap" for which it qualifies.
Good times.
Oh yeah, 23-4 and only one team has beaten us since Turkey Day.
Truth. It's nice when there are still several regular season games left and the only questions about the Dance are our seed and the site.
The team alone in 3rd place won what some here would claim is their 2 most important games of the season in sweeping the team alone atop the conference. Yet with 4 games to play in the conference the 3rd place team could win out and the 1st place team could lose out and the 3rd place team would still finish below the 1st place team in the standings.
Maybe all games matter the same so. Game in front of you is the most important of the season.
Let’s get Wednesday.
And in order for that to be the case, the team in first place had to wildly outperform the team in 3rd place in games that were not head-to-head. 12-0 as opposed to 6-7. Those games mattered so much that we had to be 7 better in the loss column to create the situation you describe.
We should really update this thread title to avoid confusing the team. At least until Thursday, everyone agrees that the next game is our most important game of the season.
Every game matters exactly the same.
Hmm...not sure wades could believe that. If every next game is the most important, then no game is the most important. If all games matter exactly the same, which he just said, then this game isn't any more important than any other game and thus by definition it absolutely can NOT be the most important game.
wades has said declaratively in this post that every game matters the same. Therefore, no game is the most important game of the season. End of story, because he said it:
Hmm...not sure wades could believe that. If every next game is the most important, then no game is the most important. If all games matter exactly the same, which he just said, then this game isn't any more important than any other game and thus by definition it absolutely can NOT be the most important game.
wades has said declaratively in this post that every game matters the same. Therefore, no game is the most important game of the season. End of story, because he said it:
Hmm...not sure wades could believe that. If every next game is the most important, then no game is the most important. If all games matter exactly the same, which he just said, then this game isn't any more important than any other game and thus by definition it absolutely can NOT be the most important game.
wades has said declaratively in this post that every game matters the same. Therefore, no game is the most important game of the season. End of story, because he said it:
IMO if we play for the National Championship that game will be more important than our game against (fill in any cupcake) in November or December. I know that puts me far out on a limb and Wades will mock that sort of silly talk but I believe it anyway.
We should really update this thread title to avoid confusing the team. At least until Thursday, everyone agrees that the next game is our most important game of the season.
Yup, every game matters the exact same, so the most important game is the next one. Can't change the past results, can't play a game 2 games in front of you. The game in front of you, in this case at Nova, is the most important game of the season.
So your argument is that a theoretical game that we will almost surely not be playing in is our most important game of the season? Yeah, I do disagree with that lol.
No, my argument is that anyone who says a game against a cupcake matters as much as a conference game (or any number of other obvious comparisons) is stubbornly defending the indefensible. And I'm further arguing that when it comes to steadfastly defending clearly indefensible positions you are in a class by yourself. Congrats, condolences to Chico (somebody has to win the silver medal).
So you're arguing that a game you never get to without winning the 5 games ahead of it, in a Tournament that you never get to if you don't take care of your regular season games or win 3+ games to get an autobid, is more important than the games that allow you to get to that game?
Interesting.
Haha edited to avoid confusion.
Just glad that Creighton wasn’t the biggest game of the year.
Someday we’ll learn. Respect the process. Until then we can hope to back door our way into a split conference title. That’ll be cool.
Every game counts for 1 win or 1 loss. Whether it’s at Nova or home against Creighton. Which makes the one in front of you the biggest game of the year.
Damn it’s really a shame Marquette doesn’t hire you to give them your dated cliches. Maybe they would have held onto the ball if your focus wasn’t limited to a internet message board.
Everyone's frustrated by today's loss. No need to take it out on each other...
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Says the guy making threads about how one game isn't as important as another game. Your threads have been straight 🔥 lately. Keep up the good work.
Had we won the Nova game, we could still clinch the title outright with one more win. Had we won the Creighton game, we would've needed to win two games remaining. Easier to win one than two, thus Nova was the most important to date so far.
But it did take a Nova loss. Had we won the Nova game, we would be one game away from clinching outright despite Creighton. Because we lost the Nova game, any other loss took it out of our control.
You can play the "everything matters the same" game all day all day. That doesn't make it true. And the true beauty is you know that. You know you're wrong. You know the numbers bear that out. You know fans looking ahead has no impact. But because you backed yourself into this corner once upon a time you perpetuate this inanity.
Math:
MU vs Nova: +1 in standings for MU win, +1 in standings for Nova loss. Total: +2
MU vs anyone else: +1 in standings for MU win.
When you are directly competing with only one team for positioning, games against them are by default the most important. Math wins again. And you know it.
Math:
MU vs Nova: +1 in standings for MU win, +1 in standings for Nova loss. Total: +2
MU vs anyone else: +1 in standings for MU win.
When you are directly competing with only one team for positioning, games against them are by default the most important. Math wins again. And you know it.
Math:
MU vs Nova: +1 in standings for MU win, +1 in standings for Nova loss. Total: +2
MU vs anyone else: +1 in standings for MU win.
When you are directly competing with only one team for positioning, games against them are by default the most important. Math wins again. And you know it.