Providence Game Is Not The Most Important Game of The Season

[brewcity77]

Aka head to head games are not worth 2 games. Had Xavier won 1 less game they would've split the BE title and been the 2 seed. If head to head games are worth 2 games it'd be mathematically impossible for a team that lost 2 head to head matchups to win an outright title if the team they lost both head to head matchups to had a total of 4 losses.

The second head to head game is worth 2 games for the team that won the first game because of the added bonus of the tiebreaker. So for us, it's worth two games.

And the latter part of your post isn't very clearly explained, but I already explained that the two game sweep is worth 3 games, not 4.

[wadesworld]

The second head to head game is worth 2 games for the team that won the first game because of the added bonus of the tiebreaker. So for us, it's worth two games.

And the latter part of your post isn't very clearly explained, but I already explained that the two game sweep is worth 3 games, not 4.

It only is worth 2 games for BET seeding purposes, which means very little.  Nova didn't get an extra game bonus for beating Xavier twice last year.

[brewcity77]

It only is worth 2 games for BET seeding purposes, which means very little.  Nova didn't get an extra game bonus for beating Xavier twice last year.

They owned the tiebreaker, so yes they did. Xavier needed to finish three games better than them to achieve the result they did. Two games wouldn't have done it because Nova had the double head-to-head. This isn't a difficult concept, so at this point you can only be choosing to ignore the obvious in an attempt to support your theory of the next game. Anyone can see that of the next two games, beating Nova is more important. It's not even debatable.

[wadesworld]

They owned the tiebreaker, so yes they did. Xavier needed to finish three games better than them to achieve the result they did. Two games wouldn't have done it because Nova had the double head-to-head. This isn't a difficult concept, so at this point you can only be choosing to ignore the obvious in an attempt to support your theory of the next game. Anyone can see that of the next two games, beating Nova is more important. It's not even debatable.

Huh? They needed to finish 1 game better than Nova, and they did. Nova didn't have the tiebreaker...there was no tie to break. It doesn't matter who the wins come against, finish on top of the standings and you win the conference. Just like Xavier last year.

I'll happily take a win against Providence tomorrow. Thankfully, unlike some posters seem to think here, we'll still get to go play at Nova Wednesday even if we do win...we don't have to forfeit!

Both games are just as important. Every game counts the same.

[brewcity77]

Huh? They needed to finish 1 game better than Nova, and they did. Nova didn't have the tiebreaker...there was no tie to break. It doesn't matter who the wins come against, finish on top of the standings and you win the conference. Just like Xavier last year.

I'll happily take a win against Providence tomorrow. Thankfully, unlike some posters seem to think here, we'll still get to go play at Nova Wednesday even if we do win...we don't have to forfeit!

Both games are just as important. Every game counts the same.

When there is one one other team in the race and one game can insure both one in your win column & simultaneously in their loss column, it counts more. That's how math works.

[MU82]

if MU fails to beat PC tomorrow(which would be a disaster)

The hurricane that hit Puerto Rico was a disaster.

This is just a basketball game. And in the end we could still achieve all of our goals -- including a national title -- if we lose it.

[wadesworld]

When there is one one other team in the race and one game can insure both one in your win column & simultaneously in their loss column, it counts more. That's how math works.

Except it really doesn't.  Nova didn't get bonus points for beating Xavier twice last year.  Xavier won the conference despite being swept by the second place team.  Every game counts the exact same.

[wadesworld]

Take care of the game Kenpom and Vegas expect you to and you have a half game lead going into a game you'll be expected to lose by Kenpom and Vegas, with an extra game to play. Win today, lose Wednesday and you still control your own destiny to raise a BE championship banner in the Fiserv.

Lose today and you're expected to lose Wednesday and suddenly a half game clear in the conference quickly becomes a 1.5 game deficit and all Nova has left is Butler at home and at Seton Hall. The conference title is basically wrapped up for Nova if we lose today, which is not expected and lose Wednesday, which is expected.

When you're in first place the only game that matters is the next one. If you win the next game every game there's no possible way to lose the conference title.

This thread was supremely stupid.

[TallTitan34]

Take care of the game Kenpom and Vegas expect you to and you have a half game lead going into a game you'll be expected to lose by Kenpom and Vegas, with an extra game to play. Win today, lose Wednesday and you still control your own destiny to raise a BE championship banner in the Fiserv.

Lose today and you're expected to lose Wednesday and suddenly a half game clear in the conference quickly becomes a 1.5 game deficit and all Nova has left is Butler at home and at Seton Hall. The conference title is basically wrapped up for Nova if we lose today, which is not expected and lose Wednesday, which is expected.

When you're in first place the only game that matters is the next one. If you win the next game every game there's no possible way to lose the conference title.

This thread was supremely stupid.

For once you are right wadesworld. The next game is the most important.

[wadesworld]

For once you are right wadesworld. The next game is the most important.

Have been right every game this season. Ask Nova how important their wins over Xavier were last year in determining a BE title.

[GooooMarquette]

This belongs on scoops Mt. Rushmore of stupid back and forths.

Peak Scoop.

[Lennys Tap]

Have been right every game this season. Ask Nova how important their wins over Xavier were last year in determining a BE title.

Yeah, well, "Nova won the BET and National Championships I think they're OK with their performance in the "most important" games. Xavier (2nd round losses in the BET and the NCAA) - not so much.

[wadesworld]

Yeah, well, "Nova won the BET and National Championships I think they're OK with their performance in the "most important" games. Xavier (2nd round losses in the BET and the NCAA) - not so much.

Which has nothing to do with a Big East title. So thanks for the contribution.

But yes, we agree. The Xavier games were only the biggest games of the season for Nova when they were going into those games. After the regular season ends round 1 in the BET will be our biggest game of the year, you're right. That's the point. The next game is the biggest game. So not sure which side you're arguing here...

Nova gets it. Of course you want to beat Xavier. But there's a game to play after that. They did and won a Natty. Maybe you're catching on.

[brewcity77]

Have been right every game this season. Ask Nova how important their wins over Xavier were last year in determining a BE title.

They absolutely were. Look at what Xavier had to do in non-Villanova games to get that title by one game. That's because of Nova's wins over Xavier.

[wadesworld]

They absolutely were. Look at what Xavier had to do in non-Villanova games to get that title by one game. That's because of Nova's wins over Xavier.

So Xavier lost the more important games while Nova lost the less important games...yet Xavier won the conference. Why? BECAUSE EVERY WIN COUNTS THE SAME! This really isn't hard lol.

[shoothoops]

The most important game of the season is Villanova.  Every other conference game only moves the needle half a game.  If we win, we gain half a game on Nova.  If we lose, we lose half a game on Nova.

The next game is the most important game of the season after every game. So technically yes it is, temporarily, until the next one. 👍

When we play Villanova if we win, we gain a full game on Nova.  If we lose, we lose a full game on Nova.  That is a two game swing in a single game.  I would have to say that is far and away the most important game of the season.

Luckily, I am not on the team so it doesn't matter if I look past Providence... which I am not doing because I think it will be a tough game on the road against a good defense.

That being said, let's win them all!

[skianth16]

Some threads actually make me dislike (some) MU fans. This is one of those threads.

Beating Villanova is more important than beating any other team for us. It was true last week, and it's true now. When there is one team competing with us to win the title, that's the team we need to beat the most.

Wades is gonna Wades. And that's fine. Doesn't make him right. Just makes him a weird fan.

[brewcity77]

So Xavier lost the more important games while Nova lost the less important games...yet Xavier won the conference. Why? BECAUSE EVERY WIN COUNTS THE SAME! This really isn't hard lol.

You're right. It's not hard. You continue to fail to get it while everyone else on the board understands, but it truly isn't hard.

[Lennys Tap]

Which has nothing to do with a Big East title. So thanks for the contribution.

But yes, we agree. The Xavier games were only the biggest games of the season for Nova when they were going into those games. After the regular season ends round 1 in the BET will be our biggest game of the year, you're right. That's the point. The next game is the biggest game. So not sure which side you're arguing here...

Nova gets it. Of course you want to beat Xavier. But there's a game to play after that. They did and won a Natty. Maybe you're catching on.

LOL

[g0lden3agle]

Must be hard to never be wrong.

[MU82]

With so much Scoopin' about Nova, I'm not sure how our heroes could focus on Providence today. The distraction musta been incredible. Somehow, our boyz did it!

[wadesworld]

You're right. It's not hard. You continue to fail to get it while everyone else on the board understands, but it truly isn't hard.

Nope, don't fail to get anything.  The 2 Nova games mean absolutely nothing if you go 0-16 against non-Nova teams.

Every game means the exact same.  Just as Nova how they could possibly lose the conference title to a team they swept...

[Lennys Tap]

Must be hard to never be wrong.

Oh, he's frequently wrong. He just doesn't let that get in the way of being positive he's right.

[wadesworld]

Oh, he's frequently wrong. He just doesn't let that get in the way of being positive he's right.

So you're on board with 2-16 is a BE title as long as the 2 wins come against Nova then?

That explains a lot.

[Lennys Tap]

So you're on board with 2-16 is a BE title as long as the 2 wins come against Nova then?

That explains a lot.

Nobody has said that.

You thinking they have is what says a lot.