M2N to the Draft?

[TheREALwrk]

Above is my original quote.

Jay Bilas thinks Sam will have a long NBA career.  Sam is on some of next year's draft boards.

Why do you guys laugh at that idea that if, repeat if, this team makes a FF run, and what was not stated was Sam and Markus "go off" for that too happen, that Sam could also come out early?

I'll answer it.  Because Sam is a traditional and they stay in school and get a degree.  You don't think traditionals are angling for the first way to the league like urban kids (unless that is their goal coming in like Henry).

If Sam was urban like Vander, who used an E8 run to come out early, you would also think he would do the same.

Thinly veiled racism - nice. Just what this board needs!

[Galway Eagle]

Above is my original quote.

Jay Bilas thinks Sam will have a long NBA career.  Sam is on some of next year's draft boards.

Why do you guys laugh at that idea that if, repeat if, this team makes a FF run, and what was not stated was Sam and Markus "go off" for that too happen, that Sam could also come out early?

I'll answer it.  Because Sam is a traditional and they stay in school and get a degree.  You don't think traditionals are angling for the first way to the league like urban kids (unless that is their goal coming in like Henry).

If Sam was urban like Vander, who used an E8 run to come out early, you would also think he would do the same.

Was this supposed to be better than using colors for some reason? Because it really missed the mark.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I said during his freshman year that he would end up in the NBA - and that was when he was averaging less than 10 minutes a game.

If a dummy like me can see that......

Wait really? Did you post that here? because that's a great call

[4everwarriors]

Pass da bagels and lox, hey?

[MU82]

Smuggles going with traditional vs urban. Great stuff!

[dgies9156]

For crying out loud, enjoy the ride!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

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Honest question,  is Sam on any mock drafts? I remember seeing him at #95 (aka a projected 4th round pick) on some big board somewhere. That's personally why I don't see Sam leaving early. I think he could make the NBA but I think it's likely as a undrafted free agent

[nyg]

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Honest question,  is Sam on any mock drafts? I remember seeing him at #95 (aka a projected 4th round pick) on some big board somewhere. That's personally why I don't see Sam leaving early. I think he could make the NBA but I think it's likely as a undrafted free agent

Last week, with all the talk of MU players leaving for the NBA, I took some time and searched.

Markus was listed on a few, all in second round.
Sam was on no mocks.  One writer had him listed as #58 overall, but believe it was one of those blog guys
Joey was on no mocks.
Theo was on no mocks. 
Jamal was on no mocks.  Yes, prior to season, some stated he had best chance for NBA. 

[Pakuni]

Hmm...I'm not so sure about that. Donte DiVincenzo went from not on draft boards to a top-20 pick thanks to one weekend in March and some great workouts. I don't think Markus' stock would change much, but if we had that dream Final Four run, culminating with 2 wins in Minneapolis as Sam Hauser averages 30 ppg/12 rpg/5 apg in the two games, he might skyrocket onto NBA radars.

DiVencenzo wasn't on draft boards because as a bench player nobody imagined he'd be coming out early until after his tournament run. You can bet NBA scouts were aware of him and his abilities long before March 2018.
Some of these posts read like NBA scouts are only aware of the players in NBAdraft.net's mock and if they're not on those "draft boards" NBA teams aren't aware of them.

[Pakuni]

Last week, with all the talk of MU players leaving for the NBA, I took some time and searched.

Markus was listed on a few, all in second round.
Sam was on no mocks.  One writer had him listed as #58 overall, but believe it was one of those blog guys
Joey was on no mocks.
Theo was on no mocks. 
Jamal was on no mocks.  Yes, prior to season, some stated he had best chance for NBA.

NBA personnel departments don't make their scouting decisions and build their draft boards according to what online mock drafts say. Who is and isn't on those mocks tells us essentially nothing about what NBA teams think of Sam, Markus, etc.

[nyg]

NBA personnel departments don't make their scouting decisions and build their draft boards according to what online mock drafts say. Who is and isn't on those mocks tells us essentially nothing about what NBA teams think of Sam, Markus, etc.

TAMU asked the question. I answered. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Hmm...I'm not so sure about that. Donte DiVincenzo went from not on draft boards to a top-20 pick thanks to one weekend in March and some great workouts. I don't think Markus' stock would change much, but if we had that dream Final Four run, culminating with 2 wins in Minneapolis as Sam Hauser averages 30 ppg/12 rpg/5 apg in the two games, he might skyrocket onto NBA radars.

There are certainly exceptions. And just because he was not on draft boards doesn't mean NBA personnel were not aware of him or his potential. He was a complimentary player on that team because of how deep it was.

He also has size and athleticism that Markus can't match.

[brewcity77]

There are certainly exceptions. And just because he was not on draft boards doesn't mean NBA personnel were not aware of him or his potential. He was a complimentary player on that team because of how deep it was.

He also has size and athleticism that Markus can't match.

That's why I specifically talked about Sam. While Sam doesn't have that athleticism, he has the size and an elite skill that is in demand. An out of the blue star turn in March could have him declaring & becoming a draft prospect a year ahead of schedule, like we saw with DD.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

That's why I specifically talked about Sam. While Sam doesn't have that athleticism, he has the size and an elite skill that is in demand. An out of the blue star turn in March could have him declaring & becoming a draft prospect a year ahead of schedule, like we saw with DD.

The exposure definitely matters.  But I would say that It's pretty well known that Sam can shoot. 

If he starts blowing by top athletes off the dribble or something else new — then it can open some eyes. 

That's what I think happened to DD.  No one knew he was that athletic or could take over a game since he was down the depth chart.  It got him an invite/interest and he reinforced it in his workouts. 

[dgies9156]

Thoughts on the NBA for our guys :

Markus -- Not likely to be a first-rounder if he leaves this year. Too turnover prone and lacks the height. Has the example of Vander Blue, of leaving before he was ready, to store in the back of his head.  Remember, when Vander left, we were Elite 8. Still did not work the way Vander and his advisers had hoped. Wonder if Vander wishes he could have had his senior year? I'll bet the Hillbilly does!

Sam -- GIve it a rest. The guy is good but he needs more seasoning. As other posters said, want to see Sam blow by people before I get too concerned. Smart kid, great ballplayer. Reminds me of Steve Novak. Likely will play pro ball somewhere.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Thinly veiled racism - nice. Just what this board needs!

Thinly veiled?

[MU82]

That's why I specifically talked about Sam. While Sam doesn't have that athleticism, he has the size and an elite skill that is in demand. An out of the blue star turn in March could have him declaring & becoming a draft prospect a year ahead of schedule, like we saw with DD.

If Sam helps us get to the title game and then carries us to the championship as DD did for Nova last year, I will wish him luck in the NBA and gladly sacrifice his senior year.

[brewcity77]

If Sam helps us get to the title game and then carries us to the championship as DD did for Nova last year, I will wish him luck in the NBA and gladly sacrifice his senior year.

Yup. And I'm not seeing that as in the realm of any reality outside my blue and gold glazed pie in the sky, but when you have the frame and at least one truly elite level skill, a big showcase can serve as an adequate launching pad.

That said, I would like both Markus and Sam to test the waters this year, if only to get feedback to improve their game.

[Archies Bat]

While I don't want anyone specifically to leave early, having players leave early is overall good.  It means we are getting better players.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

That's why I specifically talked about Sam. While Sam doesn't have that athleticism, he has the size and an elite skill that is in demand. An out of the blue star turn in March could have him declaring & becoming a draft prospect a year ahead of schedule, like we saw with DD.

This whole argument is:

Outlier A happened so Outlier B could happen.  The future is unknown so Outlier B can't be disproven.

It feels like people are then making a leap to Outlier B being entirely plausible.  But the criteria for disproving Outlier B are so specific,  those events are incredibly unlikely to happen.  Marquette has to basically win the title with Sam Hauser going nuts.

In conclusion,  Sam Hauser is extremely likely to be back for his Senior year.

[MU82]

Another possible scenario:

We don't win the title (not even close) and Sam does nothing super-special in the postseason. However, he does all he is allowed to do by NCAA/NBA rules (showcases? workouts?). He totally impresses NBA GMs/coaches, who find him to be a better athlete than they had thought and who are amazed that he makes 45 of 50 NBA-range 3s. A couple of GMs think they have what could be the steal of the draft, and they let him know that.

Do I think that will happen? Probably not. Is it plausible? Probably more than Sam averaging 30 ppg in a run to the Final Four.

Bottom line: I expect Sam back, but stranger stuff has happened in this realm.

FWIW (not much if anything), I am now about 51-49 that Markus is going, but it's just a gut thought and I have no inside intel.

[4everwarriors]

Y y'all got dis huge pile of wood thinkin' FF, hey?

[The Sultan]

Yeah I'd be more than happy with sweet 16.  Let's see what happens after a couple Villanova games.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Y y'all got dis huge pile of wood thinkin' FF, hey?

[Jockey]

At the start of this year, I thought Markus had, at best, a 10% chance of playing in the NBA. Now I would put that at a solid 50% chance.

His improvement at PG has been better than I could have hoped for. He still has a loose handle, but is a great score first PG. He is getting better and better at seeing the entire floor and I expect that to continue. A guy like Curry averages a TO per 10 minutes which is just slightly less than MH this year - his first year at PG.

He is giving Earl Tatum a run for the money as my favorite Warrior ever.