Something that really bothers me about this MU team

[Goose]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

[muguru]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

You are 100% correct...it is obvious that just watching this team, they have that winning mentality that was lacking in years past. I also believe that you are correct that the Hauser's have a lot to do with that. They DO NOT like to lose(I have that same mentality ). I would go to war with those two anytime. Losing should NEVER be accepted or to be "ok" for anyone...anyone that has ever competed in anything should know that, and feel that way.

[Lennys Tap]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

Goose

100% agree. I'm sure I sound like a broken record, but because of their toughness this year's team can win games MU would have lost in the last few years. Yesterday was an example.

[JakeBarnes]

The defense isn't good enough.  No shutouts yet.

Exactly. We should be shutting these teams out

[MU82]

I'm pretty sure you are the type that even when they lose you are satisfied...I mean you always talk about how good your life is etc etc etc yadda yadda yadda.

Yep, I'm one of those jerks who has a good life and doesn't contemplate ending it just because a basketball team loses a game, yada yada yada.

I'd be much better off if I based my entire worth as a human being around the ability of a bunch of 20-year-olds to reach the Final Four. That would mean I'm a "real" fan.

[MrCNote]

What I dislike about this team...Some of their fans are complete IDIOTS...

[jesmu84]

You are 100% correct...it is obvious that just watching this team, they have that winning mentality that was lacking in years past. I also believe that you are correct that the Hauser's have a lot to do with that. They DO NOT like to lose(I have that same mentality ). I would go to war with those two anytime. Losing should NEVER be accepted or to be "ok" for anyone...anyone that has ever competed in anything should know that, and feel that way.

Ya. Past teams definitely didn't want to win

[Cheeks]

Guru

I don’t think anyone would disagree with you that SOMETIMES we come out in a half and do not play as well as we are capable of.  When you say always, never, you invite pushback because absolutes back you into a corner. 

[MU82]

Ya. Past teams definitely didn't want to win

The declaring that one or two players want to win, suggesting that others don't or didn't, I'm never comfortable with that.

Markus doesn't hate losing? Rowsey didn't hate losing? Juan Anderson ... do we somehow know that he didn't hate losing? How about Wardle ... did he LIKE losing?

I really, really like Joey as a player, and I said just a couple days ago that I think he will be a stud who will go on to play in the NBA, but what about his play suggests he hates losing more than Theo does or Sacar does?

It's one of those silly, impossible-to-prove cliches that fans like to toss out there.

[muguru]

Yep, I'm one of those jerks who has a good life and doesn't contemplate ending it just because a basketball team loses a game, yada yada yada.

I'd be much better off if I based my entire worth as a human being around the ability of a bunch of 20-year-olds to reach the Final Four. That would mean I'm a "real" fan.

Exaggerate much?? Who has EVER said about "ending their life" because a basketball team loses a game?? Who ever said anything about Basing theor worth on what a basketball team does??

I will ask you a question...have you ever competed for anything in your life?? Whether it be, playing in a sporting event in HS , college?? Compete for a job in your adult life?? Have friends/people you know that are Badger fans, or fans of other teams that hate MU and every time MU wins you feel like you just shoved it up their ass?? If None of those things apply to you, then you are right, you with a great life.

[bilsu]

I’m bored and was curious myself so this how MU has done in the first 4 minutes of the second half in each game (minus the UMBC game because it wasn’t on ESPN play by play for some reason).

MU score is on the left. Not bad overall imo.

Beth Cookman: 8-5
Indiana: 5-14
Presbyterian: 5-5
Kansas: 0-6
Louisville: 6-7
Char southern: 12-4
Kstate: 8-7
UTEP: 8-2
UW: 5-8
N dakota: 12-6
Buffalo: 8-9
Southern: 10-4
St. John’s: 8-10
Xavier: 5-2
Creighton: 8-5
Seton Hall: 2-7

If you are kind enough or bored enough you could also do this for the start of the first half. I am sure you will find a similar distribution. Maybe even worse.

[Cheeks]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

For the first time in the Wojo era he has all HIS kids that are ALSO starting to be upper classmen, too.  It takes time, if you do it right, no short cuts.  I'd say 4 to 5 years if you do it right. Yes, you can have quick fixes that other programs do, but he put a plan forth.

You have to learn to win, learn how to things a certain way and that is hell for people that don't want to wait.

[MU82]

I will ask you a question...have you ever competed for anything in your life?? Whether it be, playing in a sporting event in HS , college?? Compete for a job in your adult life?? Have friends/people you know that are Badger fans, or fans of other teams that hate MU and every time MU wins you feel like you just shoved it up their ass??

Of course.

When I was in HS, I used to get depressed after a loss, would be sullen for a day or two. When I was at MU, my team lost in the intramural playoffs and I was so pissed off that, as I walked back to my apartment, I ripped the receiver right out of a pay phone (not my proudest moment). One night my roommate and I won a freakin' foosball game at State House against this one guy I hated, and so much trash-talking ensued that a brawl almost broke out. In April of my senior year, when I didn't get a job I thought I was going to get, I actually called my mommy and daddy and cried.

But I'm not 14 or 18 or 21 any more.

As a working adult, I was in an extremely competitive profession. I competed against my peers several times a week. I "won" some and I "lost" some. I had to learn that if I got too worked up over the losses, I'd go to an early grave. Also had to learn to not get too high after the wins, because it's a very "what have you done for me lately" profession.

But as a working adult, I could control how hard I competed. As a sports fan, I can't control how my teams compete.

I have coached basketball for the last 6 years, 4 years as a head middle-school coach, these last 2 as an assistant coach at one of the best girls' programs in the state of NC. Believe me, I don't like losing. But I'm an adult mentoring kids. I can't punch things or pout for days after losses.

As a fan, when my Warriors or Panthers lose, I hate it, I swear at the TV as it's happening, and afterward I grumble for a minute or even a half-hour.

Then I get on with my wonderful life, hug my wonderful wife, call my wonderful kids, pet my wonderful dog, have a beer with my wonderful friends, and get ready for another wonderful basketball practice with my wonderful team.

Still not sure why those of us who handle things that way somehow equals "We accept losing" or "We don't like competing" or "We're not as good fans as guru."

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Cripes...I cannot post a thing about this team(unless it's all rosey even during losses) without getting ripped to shreds. I am happy with where they are right now, just wish they could clean up some things...but I know, losses are okay and good too, right?? I will try to be in a great mood after they lose now like most of you are, and see what it's like to live in that world...after all, some of you claim not taking it so seriously is the key to life, right??

Posts like this are why you're not taken seriously. 

[wadesworld]

You hit my point perfectly..which is..start the 2nd half better, step on their throats, and their wouldn't be a need for "clutch time". Bottom line is to win..and they have, but man oh man, they sure don't like to make it easy on themselves do they?

They aren't going to be able to depend on making all the big plays down the stretch when they need to all of the time. The law of averages says at some point you aren't going to make those plays so don't put yourself in that position where you have to so often you increase your odds that way.

I’m with you man. I just don’t understand why we can’t pitch a shutout and hit an and-one 3 pointer on every offensive possession. This team would be so much better if we just did that, and it’s just so easy. It’s not like our opponents have any skilled or competitive basketball players.

[muguru]

Posts like this are why you're not taken seriously.

I wish you would spend more time worrying about losses then blasting me every single time I post something semi negative. Maybe focus more attention on that then me...that might help. You're okay with everything, win...lose, it's all good, right?? You do you man...you do you.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

In defense of muguru, I do think there have been times where MU comes out flat or passive and has trouble scoring. I think it has mostly to do with adjustments that coaches are making at halftime. I've been frustrated by this a few times this season, but conversely I would be frustrated if I were a fan of another team too because Marquette makes similar adjustments. Yesterday seemed like an exception.

[Its DJOver]

You hit my point perfectly..which is..start the 2nd half better, step on their throats, and their wouldn't be a need for "clutch time". Bottom line is to win..and they have, but man oh man, they sure don't like to make it easy on themselves do they?

They aren't going to be able to depend on making all the big plays down the stretch when they need to all of the time. The law of averages says at some point you aren't going to make those plays so don't put yourself in that position where you have to so often you increase your odds that way.

I think you might have misinterpreted my point which is; we're not going to play great basketball for 40 minutes, no team does.  This is just a fact.  If I could choose when our team is playing at its best, I would gladly take crunch time vs the first 4 minutes of a half.  With the conference the way it is this year, even if you come out hot in the second half, the other team is gonna make a run, the talent gap between team is too small to have consistent blowouts.  There will be more games that are one possession with 4 to go, than there will be games that are 10+ point games with 4 to go.  Being able to win those close games is what separates teams. 

Just look at X last year; I don't think that they were one of the four best teams in the country, but because they had an amazing record in close games, they got a 1 seed.  CU was probably the better team last week, but we played better when it mattered more.

[Loose Cannon]

The declaring that one or two players want to win, suggesting that others don't or didn't, I'm never comfortable with that.

Absolutely, like the other guys(including walk-ons) are like Rodney Dangerfield.

[Goose]

MU82
I know you like to single out comments for the sake of argument, but surely hope your comment on 1 or 2 guys want to win is a joke. I’m sure everyone on the planet prefers winning or losing, but not everyone knows how to do it. Being a winner is rare trait and when you have a guy or guys that possesses that trait, it usually becomes a mob mentality. I am hoping that is the case at MU at the moment.

[willie warrior]

Now this thread is a perfect example of how Scoopers either have too much time on their hands or are rabid fans who want to invest lots of time to support their opinion. In either case I spent lots of time reading this thread so guilty as charged.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I wish you would spend more time worrying about losses then blasting me every single time I post something semi negative. Maybe focus more attention on that then me...that might help. You're okay with everything, win...lose, it's all good, right?? You do you man...you do you.

Wow.

In regards to the first bolded comment, why?  Worrying more about losses doesn't make you more of a fan, FYI.  It apparently drives away women though, right?

In regards to the second bolded comment, no.  I would have been pretty upset if we lost yesterday.  But I would have moved on in about 30-60 minutes because in the grand scheme of things there are much more important things to worry about. 

Your view on fans that don't get as upset as you not being as big of a fan is flat out wrong. 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Yep, I'm one of those jerks who has a good life and doesn't contemplate ending it just because a basketball team loses a game, yada yada yada.

Next time we lose, you should

[Bocephys]

Next time we lose, you should

To answer a question posed in a different thread, no, Scoop cannot handle success.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Next time we lose, you should

Sand Knit,

This is a very sh*tty thing to say to anybody. I hope you realize that.