Something that really bothers me about this MU team

[muguru]

They gutted it out today, and it was a good win. What a game by Theo! However...a lot of the reason they had to hang on in the end was because....they ALWAYS start slow the first 5-6 minutes of the 2nd half. It is absolutely uncanny how often this happens(always). I just don't get it...but it is irritating to say the least. There have been games this year with a better second half start(like today for example), they could have put their foot on their throats, and finished them within the first 5 minutes. Instead, as always, they let them back in. I'm really trying to figure out why they start so slow in the second halves of games .

[Cheeks]

They gutted it out today, and it was a good win. What a game by Theo! However...a lot of the reason they had to hang on in the end was because....they ALWAYS start slow the first 5-6 minutes of the 2nd half. It is absolutely uncanny how often this happens(always). I just don't get it...but it is irritating to say the least. There have been games this year with a better second half start(like today for example), they could have put their foot on their throats, and finished them within the first 5 minutes. Instead, as always, they let them back in. I'm really trying to figure out why they start so slow in the second halves of games .

ALWAYS?

Nope

[HowardsWorld]

Todays game and the Kansas game are the only games that come to mind. Indiana and St.Johns games were over at half so its pointless bringing those up. Kansas one was an outlier where no one could throw the ball in the ocean and today we scored 2 points at the 15 min mark. Alot has to do with half time adjustments. I don't see this being an issue anymore than any other team. When the offense moves through Howard things like this may happen. Keep in mind the guy who guarded Howard today has locked down Ponds as well so it wasn't just luck that he contained Howard in the second half.

[CountryRoads]

I’m bored and was curious myself so this how MU has done in the first 4 minutes of the second half in each game (minus the UMBC game because it wasn’t on ESPN play by play for some reason).

MU score is on the left. Not bad overall imo.

Beth Cookman: 8-5
Indiana: 5-14
Presbyterian: 5-5
Kansas: 0-6
Louisville: 6-7
Char southern: 12-4
Kstate: 8-7
UTEP: 8-2
UW: 5-8
N dakota: 12-6
Buffalo: 8-9
Southern: 10-4
St. John’s: 8-10
Xavier: 5-2
Creighton: 8-5
Seton Hall: 2-7

[Cheeks]

I’m bored and was curious myself so this how MU has done in the first 4 minutes of the second half in each game (minus the UMBC game because it wasn’t on ESPN play by play for some reason).

MU score is on the left. Not bad overall imo.

Beth Cookman: 8-5
Indiana: 5-14
Presbyterian: 5-5
Kansas: 0-6
Louisville: 6-7
Char southern: 12-4
Kstate: 8-7
UTEP: 8-2
UW: 5-8
N dakota: 12-6
Buffalo: 8-9
Southern: 10-4
St. John’s: 8-10
Xavier: 5-2
Creighton: 8-5
Seton Hall: 2-7

ALWAYS

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

[Vander Blue Man Group]

[Herman Cain]

They gutted it out today, and it was a good win. What a game by Theo! However...a lot of the reason they had to hang on in the end was because....they ALWAYS start slow the first 5-6 minutes of the 2nd half. It is absolutely uncanny how often this happens(always). I just don't get it...but it is irritating to say the least. There have been games this year with a better second half start(like today for example), they could have put their foot on their throats, and finished them within the first 5 minutes. Instead, as always, they let them back in. I'm really trying to figure out why they start so slow in the second halves of games .

We are a high major program and the teams we compete against have good coaches who are experienced in making halftime adjustments. It is part of sports at this level. Thr key is to be able to counter those adjustments during the course of the second half.

[muguru]

ALWAYS

Alright...let's however add a little more context to this...you can't just go by what the score was in those 5 minutes...it's how did they play in those 5 minutes...

UW- They committed 5 fouls in the first 5 minutes, shot 2-5 and committed 2 turnovers. Score was 33-32 UW at half...after the first 5 minutes UW had increased their lead to 45-39.

Buffalo- MU led 39-38 at half....Shot 4-9 in the first five minutes....Committed 4 fouls and had 1 TO...by the 15:05 mark, MU trailed 51-49 after leading by 1 at half.

Seton Hall- MU led 40-30 at halftime..MU shot 1-8, Had 1 TO...Their lead was cut in half to 44-39 at the 15 minute mark.

Xavier...MU led 35-26 at Halftime...MU shot 3-7, 3 TO's and 3 fouls Somehow MU actually increased their lead to 42-28. This was a good 5 minutes based on increasing their lead.

Louisville...MU trailed 35-30 at halftime...MU was 4-8 shooting, 2 TO's, 2 fouls...Lead stayed the same for UL 44-39

Kansas St...MU led 44-33 at Halftime....MU committed an ABSURD 7 fouls, 4 TO's..shot 3-5 and increased their lead by 1 to 54-42...Regardless of score, committing 7 fouls and turning it over 4 times in 5 minutes is TERRIBLE by any stretch of the imagination.

Indiana...MU trailed 47-34 at halftime...MU shot 2-5, Committed 3 fouls and turned it over once...instead of cutting into the deficit and perhaps getting back into the game...after the first 5 minutes MU trailed 61-40.

SJU...MU trailed 39-31 at half...MU shot 4-5, Committed 3 fouls and turned it over twice...MU trailed 51-41. Again, instead of cutting into the deficit the actually lost another 2 points to trail by 10.

Kansas...MU led 47-38 at Half....MU shot 0-5, Committed 3 TO's, 3 Fouls...and actually trailed 48-47 after the first five minutes...a chance to step on their throats, and perhaps put them out of their misery..and they play the worst 5 minutes of BB in quite some time.

Creighton...MU trailed 45-39 at half....MU shot 3-5, Committed 1 foul 0 turnovers and trailed 53-49. Pretty much a wash


I just detailed how MU played in the first 5 minutes of the second half of each game against the best teams on their schedule thus far..I'd say they have played 2 OK first 5 minutes of the 2nd half...against Xavier and Creighton, the rest have been poor(at best), and I don't think that can be argued.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Yesterdays first 5 of the second half were horrendous n definitely set the tone for the rest if the game.  As has been shown today was more if the exeption.

Where we have been poor is to start games.  Always great to play with the lead and we have been extremely slow starters. Apart from the buy games sans Buffalo, its been bad. We have won predominantly coming from behind tho.

[Its DJOver]

What's more important; how you start a half, or how you finish it?  Take a look at the time between the final media timeout, and the final whistle of those 10 games.  Of those 10, 6 had a margin of greater than 10.  These games were essentially over, and we went 3-3 in those 6 with loses to I4, KU, and StJ, and wins over K-State, Buffalo, and X.  The remaining 4, we were either trailing or tied going into the final stretch. 

Down 3 to Louisville with 3:44 to go, outscore them by 3 in regulation to send it to OT, then outscore them by 3 in OT.

Down 1 to UW with 3:42 to go, outscore them by 1 in regulation to send it to OT, then outscore them by 5 in OT.

Down 2 to CU with 3:12 to go, outscore them by 2 in regulation to send it to OT, then outscore them by 2 in OT.

Tied with SH with 3:40 to go, outscore them by 4 in regulation to win.

So of the 10 high quality teams we've played so far, we have 3 loses where the margin didn't matter in the final minutes, 3 wins where the margin didn't matter in the final minutes, and 4 close (1 possession) games where we are 4-0.  I would much rather have clutch play in crunch time, than in the first 4 minutes of a half.

[muguru]

What's more important; how you start a half, or how you finish it?  Take a look at the time between the final media timeout, and the final whistle of those 10 games.  Of those 10, 6 had a margin of greater than 10.  These games were essentially over, and we went 3-3 in those 6 with loses to I4, KU, and StJ, and wins over K-State, Buffalo, and X.  The remaining 4, we were either trailing or tied going into the final stretch. 

Down 3 to Louisville with 3:44 to go, outscore them by 3 in regulation to send it to OT, then outscore them by 3 in OT.

Down 1 to UW with 3:42 to go, outscore them by 1 in regulation to send it to OT, then outscore them by 5 in OT.

Down 2 to CU with 3:12 to go, outscore them by 2 in regulation to send it to OT, then outscore them by 2 in OT.

Tied with SH with 3:40 to go, outscore them by 4 in regulation to win.

So of the 10 high quality teams we've played so far, we have 3 loses where the margin didn't matter in the final minutes, 3 wins where the margin didn't matter in the final minutes, and 4 close (1 possession) games where we are 4-0.  I would much rather have clutch play in crunch time, than in the first 4 minutes of a half.

You hit my point perfectly..which is..start the 2nd half better, step on their throats, and their wouldn't be a need for "clutch time". Bottom line is to win..and they have, but man oh man, they sure don't like to make it easy on themselves do they?

They aren't going to be able to depend on making all the big plays down the stretch when they need to all of the time. The law of averages says at some point you aren't going to make those plays so don't put yourself in that position where you have to so often you increase your odds that way.

[PGsHeroes32]

Alright...let's however add a little more context to this...you can't just go by what the score was in those 5 minutes...it's how did they play in those 5 minutes...

UW- They committed 5 fouls in the first 5 minutes, shot 2-5 and committed 2 turnovers. Score was 33-32 UW at half...after the first 5 minutes UW had increased their lead to 45-39.

Buffalo- MU led 39-38 at half....Shot 4-9 in the first five minutes....Committed 4 fouls and had 1 TO...by the 15:05 mark, MU trailed 51-49 after leading by 1 at half.

Seton Hall- MU led 40-30 at halftime..MU shot 1-8, Had 1 TO...Their lead was cut in half to 44-39 at the 15 minute mark.

Xavier...MU led 35-26 at Halftime...MU shot 3-7, 3 TO's and 3 fouls Somehow MU actually increased their lead to 42-28. This was a good 5 minutes based on increasing their lead.

Louisville...MU trailed 35-30 at halftime...MU was 4-8 shooting, 2 TO's, 2 fouls...Lead stayed the same for UL 44-39

Kansas St...MU led 44-33 at Halftime....MU committed an ABSURD 7 fouls, 4 TO's..shot 3-5 and increased their lead by 1 to 54-42...Regardless of score, committing 7 fouls and turning it over 4 times in 5 minutes is TERRIBLE by any stretch of the imagination.

Indiana...MU trailed 47-34 at halftime...MU shot 2-5, Committed 3 fouls and turned it over once...instead of cutting into the deficit and perhaps getting back into the game...after the first 5 minutes MU trailed 61-40.

SJU...MU trailed 39-31 at half...MU shot 4-5, Committed 3 fouls and turned it over twice...MU trailed 51-41. Again, instead of cutting into the deficit the actually lost another 2 points to trail by 10.

Kansas...MU led 47-38 at Half....MU shot 0-5, Committed 3 TO's, 3 Fouls...and actually trailed 48-47 after the first five minutes...a chance to step on their throats, and perhaps put them out of their misery..and they play the worst 5 minutes of BB in quite some time.

Creighton...MU trailed 45-39 at half....MU shot 3-5, Committed 1 foul 0 turnovers and trailed 53-49. Pretty much a wash


I just detailed how MU played in the first 5 minutes of the second half of each game against the best teams on their schedule thus far..I'd say they have played 2 OK first 5 minutes of the 2nd half...against Xavier and Creighton, the rest have been poor(at best), and I don't think that can be argued.

This is all subjective at best

We cut Creighton lead by 2 but that’s “pretty much a wash”

SJU extends their lead by 2. And it’s proof we didn’t do our jobs and came out flat.

Lol

[brewcity77]

This is all subjective at best

We cut Creighton lead by 2 but that’s “pretty much a wash”

SJU extends their lead by 2. And it’s proof we didn’t do our jobs and came out flat.

Lol

If MU isn't soundly winning every four minute stretch, guru will complain. We could win six in March by single digits and he'd be here complaining about flat play on Scoop while the rest of us were dancing from Wisconsin Avenue to Bradford Beach.

[avid1010]

We would also need a benchmark for comparison...

I have not been thrilled with the way they come out of halftime, but I have often felt like i could see what Wojo was trying to do and the players failed to execute.  Ultimately on him...but...

My eye tells me Wojo and staff have gotten us many points on sets and inbounds in conference play this year...not sure if data would say the same....but I like what I see.

[rocket surgeon]

turn-overs!!!  especially the stupid, unforced ones.  trying to jam a pass into someone where you can hear the sucking noise of air leaving the vicinity,  in other words, there was no way the ball even fit into that space of bodies

[muwarrior69]

turn-overs!!! especially the stupid, unforced ones.  trying to jam a pass into someone where you can hear the sucking noise of air leaving the vicinity,  in other words, there was no way the ball even fit into that space of bodies

Stop! You're making me hungry. I wonder if the staff serves them at practice or while the guys are watching video for the next game.

[brewcity77]

My eye tells me Wojo and staff have gotten us many points on sets and inbounds in conference play this year...not sure if data would say the same....but I like what I see.

Your eye is right. Paint Touches tweeted that Marquette's after timeout ppp is 1.039, in the 96th percentile. The team and staff have done a great job with those plays.

[NickelDimer]

I’m bored and was curious myself so this how MU has done in the first 4 minutes of the second half in each game (minus the UMBC game because it wasn’t on ESPN play by play for some reason).

MU score is on the left. Not bad overall imo.

Beth Cookman: 8-5
Indiana: 5-14
Presbyterian: 5-5
Kansas: 0-6
Louisville: 6-7
Char southern: 12-4
Kstate: 8-7
UTEP: 8-2
UW: 5-8
N dakota: 12-6
Buffalo: 8-9
Southern: 10-4
St. John’s: 8-10
Xavier: 5-2
Creighton: 8-5
Seton Hall: 2-7

He meant they ALWAYS start slow except for most of the times you posted. Obviously.

[mu03eng]

Being 14-3 overall and 3-1 in conference has made being grumpy about MU really difficult I guess

[MU82]

Something that really bothers me about this MU team is that they have done too well, so I haven't been able to rip on 'em as much as I got used to doing the last few years.

I hate the idea of going onto Scoop and actually acting like I enjoy a victory or enjoy watching this team. Yuck. Who would want to do that?

[NickelDimer]

Being 14-3 overall and 3-1 in conference has made being grumpy about MU really difficult I guess

Well, if you couch fans were more passionate and didn’t accept mediocrity we’d probably be undefeated sooo...stop being so content!

[muguru]

Something that really bothers me about this MU team is that they have done too well, so I haven't been able to rip on 'em as much as I got used to doing the last few years.

I hate the idea of going onto Scoop and actually acting like I enjoy a victory or enjoy watching this team. Yuck. Who would want to do that?

I'm pretty sure you are the type that even when they lose you are satisfied...I mean you always talk about how good your life is etc etc etc yadda yadda yadda.

[muguru]

Well, if you couch fans were more passionate and didn’t accept mediocrity we’d probably be undefeated sooo...stop being so content!

Cripes...I cannot post a thing about this team(unless it's all rosey even during losses) without getting ripped to shreds. I am happy with where they are right now, just wish they could clean up some things...but I know, losses are okay and good too, right?? I will try to be in a great mood after they lose now like most of you are, and see what it's like to live in that world...after all, some of you claim not taking it so seriously is the key to life, right??

[tower912]

The defense isn't good enough.  No shutouts yet.

[Goose]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

[muguru]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

You are 100% correct...it is obvious that just watching this team, they have that winning mentality that was lacking in years past. I also believe that you are correct that the Hauser's have a lot to do with that. They DO NOT like to lose(I have that same mentality ). I would go to war with those two anytime. Losing should NEVER be accepted or to be "ok" for anyone...anyone that has ever competed in anything should know that, and feel that way.

[Lennys Tap]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

Goose

100% agree. I'm sure I sound like a broken record, but because of their toughness this year's team can win games MU would have lost in the last few years. Yesterday was an example.

[JakeBarnes]

The defense isn't good enough.  No shutouts yet.

Exactly. We should be shutting these teams out

[MU82]

I'm pretty sure you are the type that even when they lose you are satisfied...I mean you always talk about how good your life is etc etc etc yadda yadda yadda.

Yep, I'm one of those jerks who has a good life and doesn't contemplate ending it just because a basketball team loses a game, yada yada yada.

I'd be much better off if I based my entire worth as a human being around the ability of a bunch of 20-year-olds to reach the Final Four. That would mean I'm a "real" fan.

[MrCNote]

What I dislike about this team...Some of their fans are complete IDIOTS...

[jesmu84]

You are 100% correct...it is obvious that just watching this team, they have that winning mentality that was lacking in years past. I also believe that you are correct that the Hauser's have a lot to do with that. They DO NOT like to lose(I have that same mentality ). I would go to war with those two anytime. Losing should NEVER be accepted or to be "ok" for anyone...anyone that has ever competed in anything should know that, and feel that way.

Ya. Past teams definitely didn't want to win

[Cheeks]

Guru

I don’t think anyone would disagree with you that SOMETIMES we come out in a half and do not play as well as we are capable of.  When you say always, never, you invite pushback because absolutes back you into a corner. 

[MU82]

Ya. Past teams definitely didn't want to win

The declaring that one or two players want to win, suggesting that others don't or didn't, I'm never comfortable with that.

Markus doesn't hate losing? Rowsey didn't hate losing? Juan Anderson ... do we somehow know that he didn't hate losing? How about Wardle ... did he LIKE losing?

I really, really like Joey as a player, and I said just a couple days ago that I think he will be a stud who will go on to play in the NBA, but what about his play suggests he hates losing more than Theo does or Sacar does?

It's one of those silly, impossible-to-prove cliches that fans like to toss out there.

[muguru]

Yep, I'm one of those jerks who has a good life and doesn't contemplate ending it just because a basketball team loses a game, yada yada yada.

I'd be much better off if I based my entire worth as a human being around the ability of a bunch of 20-year-olds to reach the Final Four. That would mean I'm a "real" fan.

Exaggerate much?? Who has EVER said about "ending their life" because a basketball team loses a game?? Who ever said anything about Basing theor worth on what a basketball team does??

I will ask you a question...have you ever competed for anything in your life?? Whether it be, playing in a sporting event in HS , college?? Compete for a job in your adult life?? Have friends/people you know that are Badger fans, or fans of other teams that hate MU and every time MU wins you feel like you just shoved it up their ass?? If None of those things apply to you, then you are right, you with a great life.

[bilsu]

I’m bored and was curious myself so this how MU has done in the first 4 minutes of the second half in each game (minus the UMBC game because it wasn’t on ESPN play by play for some reason).

MU score is on the left. Not bad overall imo.

Beth Cookman: 8-5
Indiana: 5-14
Presbyterian: 5-5
Kansas: 0-6
Louisville: 6-7
Char southern: 12-4
Kstate: 8-7
UTEP: 8-2
UW: 5-8
N dakota: 12-6
Buffalo: 8-9
Southern: 10-4
St. John’s: 8-10
Xavier: 5-2
Creighton: 8-5
Seton Hall: 2-7

If you are kind enough or bored enough you could also do this for the start of the first half. I am sure you will find a similar distribution. Maybe even worse.

[Cheeks]

I have to say that overall I am impressed with the play and outcome of the season to date. For the first time in the Wojo era, it seems that guys know how to win. It is a combination of things, but I believe the Hauser’s are a very big reason for the toughness. Those two are very good players, high ball IQ and know how to win. They have won their whole lives and I think that carries over to create a winning culture.

For the first time in the Wojo era he has all HIS kids that are ALSO starting to be upper classmen, too.  It takes time, if you do it right, no short cuts.  I'd say 4 to 5 years if you do it right. Yes, you can have quick fixes that other programs do, but he put a plan forth.

You have to learn to win, learn how to things a certain way and that is hell for people that don't want to wait.

[MU82]

I will ask you a question...have you ever competed for anything in your life?? Whether it be, playing in a sporting event in HS , college?? Compete for a job in your adult life?? Have friends/people you know that are Badger fans, or fans of other teams that hate MU and every time MU wins you feel like you just shoved it up their ass??

Of course.

When I was in HS, I used to get depressed after a loss, would be sullen for a day or two. When I was at MU, my team lost in the intramural playoffs and I was so pissed off that, as I walked back to my apartment, I ripped the receiver right out of a pay phone (not my proudest moment). One night my roommate and I won a freakin' foosball game at State House against this one guy I hated, and so much trash-talking ensued that a brawl almost broke out. In April of my senior year, when I didn't get a job I thought I was going to get, I actually called my mommy and daddy and cried.

But I'm not 14 or 18 or 21 any more.

As a working adult, I was in an extremely competitive profession. I competed against my peers several times a week. I "won" some and I "lost" some. I had to learn that if I got too worked up over the losses, I'd go to an early grave. Also had to learn to not get too high after the wins, because it's a very "what have you done for me lately" profession.

But as a working adult, I could control how hard I competed. As a sports fan, I can't control how my teams compete.

I have coached basketball for the last 6 years, 4 years as a head middle-school coach, these last 2 as an assistant coach at one of the best girls' programs in the state of NC. Believe me, I don't like losing. But I'm an adult mentoring kids. I can't punch things or pout for days after losses.

As a fan, when my Warriors or Panthers lose, I hate it, I swear at the TV as it's happening, and afterward I grumble for a minute or even a half-hour.

Then I get on with my wonderful life, hug my wonderful wife, call my wonderful kids, pet my wonderful dog, have a beer with my wonderful friends, and get ready for another wonderful basketball practice with my wonderful team.

Still not sure why those of us who handle things that way somehow equals "We accept losing" or "We don't like competing" or "We're not as good fans as guru."

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Cripes...I cannot post a thing about this team(unless it's all rosey even during losses) without getting ripped to shreds. I am happy with where they are right now, just wish they could clean up some things...but I know, losses are okay and good too, right?? I will try to be in a great mood after they lose now like most of you are, and see what it's like to live in that world...after all, some of you claim not taking it so seriously is the key to life, right??

Posts like this are why you're not taken seriously. 

[wadesworld]

You hit my point perfectly..which is..start the 2nd half better, step on their throats, and their wouldn't be a need for "clutch time". Bottom line is to win..and they have, but man oh man, they sure don't like to make it easy on themselves do they?

They aren't going to be able to depend on making all the big plays down the stretch when they need to all of the time. The law of averages says at some point you aren't going to make those plays so don't put yourself in that position where you have to so often you increase your odds that way.

I’m with you man. I just don’t understand why we can’t pitch a shutout and hit an and-one 3 pointer on every offensive possession. This team would be so much better if we just did that, and it’s just so easy. It’s not like our opponents have any skilled or competitive basketball players.

[muguru]

Posts like this are why you're not taken seriously.

I wish you would spend more time worrying about losses then blasting me every single time I post something semi negative. Maybe focus more attention on that then me...that might help. You're okay with everything, win...lose, it's all good, right?? You do you man...you do you.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

In defense of muguru, I do think there have been times where MU comes out flat or passive and has trouble scoring. I think it has mostly to do with adjustments that coaches are making at halftime. I've been frustrated by this a few times this season, but conversely I would be frustrated if I were a fan of another team too because Marquette makes similar adjustments. Yesterday seemed like an exception.

[Its DJOver]

You hit my point perfectly..which is..start the 2nd half better, step on their throats, and their wouldn't be a need for "clutch time". Bottom line is to win..and they have, but man oh man, they sure don't like to make it easy on themselves do they?

They aren't going to be able to depend on making all the big plays down the stretch when they need to all of the time. The law of averages says at some point you aren't going to make those plays so don't put yourself in that position where you have to so often you increase your odds that way.

I think you might have misinterpreted my point which is; we're not going to play great basketball for 40 minutes, no team does.  This is just a fact.  If I could choose when our team is playing at its best, I would gladly take crunch time vs the first 4 minutes of a half.  With the conference the way it is this year, even if you come out hot in the second half, the other team is gonna make a run, the talent gap between team is too small to have consistent blowouts.  There will be more games that are one possession with 4 to go, than there will be games that are 10+ point games with 4 to go.  Being able to win those close games is what separates teams. 

Just look at X last year; I don't think that they were one of the four best teams in the country, but because they had an amazing record in close games, they got a 1 seed.  CU was probably the better team last week, but we played better when it mattered more.

[Loose Cannon]

The declaring that one or two players want to win, suggesting that others don't or didn't, I'm never comfortable with that.

Absolutely, like the other guys(including walk-ons) are like Rodney Dangerfield.

[Goose]

MU82
I know you like to single out comments for the sake of argument, but surely hope your comment on 1 or 2 guys want to win is a joke. I’m sure everyone on the planet prefers winning or losing, but not everyone knows how to do it. Being a winner is rare trait and when you have a guy or guys that possesses that trait, it usually becomes a mob mentality. I am hoping that is the case at MU at the moment.

[willie warrior]

Now this thread is a perfect example of how Scoopers either have too much time on their hands or are rabid fans who want to invest lots of time to support their opinion. In either case I spent lots of time reading this thread so guilty as charged.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I wish you would spend more time worrying about losses then blasting me every single time I post something semi negative. Maybe focus more attention on that then me...that might help. You're okay with everything, win...lose, it's all good, right?? You do you man...you do you.

Wow.

In regards to the first bolded comment, why?  Worrying more about losses doesn't make you more of a fan, FYI.  It apparently drives away women though, right?

In regards to the second bolded comment, no.  I would have been pretty upset if we lost yesterday.  But I would have moved on in about 30-60 minutes because in the grand scheme of things there are much more important things to worry about. 

Your view on fans that don't get as upset as you not being as big of a fan is flat out wrong. 

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Yep, I'm one of those jerks who has a good life and doesn't contemplate ending it just because a basketball team loses a game, yada yada yada.

Next time we lose, you should

[Bocephys]

Next time we lose, you should

To answer a question posed in a different thread, no, Scoop cannot handle success.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Next time we lose, you should

Sand Knit,

This is a very sh*tty thing to say to anybody. I hope you realize that.

[Marcus92]

If I've learned anything from my time here on Scoop, it's this:

1. You don't have to read every single post here.
2. You don't have to agree with every single post here.
3. You don't have to comment on every single post here.

I come here because there's a lot of interesting discussion about Marquette basketball. That's what I try to focus on.

[mu_hilltopper]

Sand-Knit's post can stand here in infamy while he thinks it over on vacation.

[tower912]

Danke.    Gracias.    Merci.   

[real chili 83]

Sand-Knit's post can stand here in infamy while he thinks it over on vacation.

Please make it veeeeeerrrrrry, very long.

[real chili 83]

Oh, and in before the lock. 

This is soooo easy.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Who ever said anything about Basing theor worth on what a basketball team does??

Have friends/people you know that are Badger fans, or fans of other teams that hate MU and every time MU wins you feel like you just shoved it up their ass??

But you don't base your worth on how they perform, huh?

And again, YOU'VE done nothing.  YOU have not completed. The entirety of your contribution is watching a game.  How did YOU 'shove it up their ass'? 

[MU82]

MU82
I know you like to single out comments for the sake of argument, but surely hope your comment on 1 or 2 guys want to win is a joke. I’m sure everyone on the planet prefers winning or losing, but not everyone knows how to do it. Being a winner is rare trait and when you have a guy or guys that possesses that trait, it usually becomes a mob mentality. I am hoping that is the case at MU at the moment.

Goose, I seriously don't know what I said to elicit this response from you. Feel free to explain here or in a PM.

Love that we have the Hausers, who have been winners forever. Markus has done a lot of winning, too. Wojo ... he's done a shyte-ton of winning.

I share your hope.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sand-Knit's post can stand here in infamy while he thinks it over on vacation.

[Cheeks]

Sand Knit,

This is a very sh*tty thing to say to anybody. I hope you realize that.

I'm guessing there are words that were deleted after "you should" in his post?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm guessing there are words that were deleted after "you should" in his post?

Nope. Read what post he was responding to for the full context.

[rocket surgeon]

Next time we lose, you should

   wow!  this is beyond anger management-ya need some help man, but i hope this helps while you're on your little vaccacione. 

     

[Cheeks]

Nope. Read what post he was responding to for the full context.

Ahh, yes now makes sense. I had him on ignore so I was struggling with the connection.  Yeah, that’s not cool, no one needs to be suggesting that stuff to anyone.