X SOTG

[tower912]

Amazing.  26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG.     Becoming numb to brilliance. 

[DUNKS45]

Sacar, Markus

[fjm]

Amazing.  26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG.     Becoming numb to brilliance.

Not becoming numb at all. But I'm not going to ignore Sacars energy and performance, especially in the first half.

[Its DJOver]

Amazing.  26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG.     Becoming numb to brilliance.

It really comes down to 26p, 8a, and 5 TOs, vs 20p, 7r, and 0 TO.  Seeing as TO's have been arguable our biggest problem on the year, it's not unreasonable to weigh them more heavily.

Note, the TO where JC tripped over the ref was just bad luck, but shot clock TOs count as team TOs, not personal ones.  Markus had 5 TOs, Joey had 2, Sam had 1, Ed had 2.  Adds up to 10, box score lists us with 12 for the game.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Markus - could have had 10 assists, Morrow played well but needs to finish.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Note, the TO where JC tripped over the ref was just bad luck, but shot clock TOs count as team TOs, not personal ones.  Markus had 5 TOs, Joey had 2, Sam had 1, Ed had 2.  Adds up to 10, box score lists us with 12 for the game.

Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO

[jsglow]

Amazing.  26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG.     Becoming numb to brilliance.

Markus is certainly a viable choice tower.  But Sacar's efficiency, rebounds and lack of TO's can't be overlooked.  Personally I don't think Markus had a 'bad' TO day at all for the reasons mentioned.  A very close call.

[jsglow]

Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO

Yep.  Yesterday we were actually pretty good with the ball.  Is a shot clock violation listed as a TO?

[Its DJOver]

Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO

True, but the shot clock violation team TO in the second half resulted from when Markus passed the ball to Joey with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock, when he really had nowhere to go.  Team TO, but kinda on Markus.  If the mods give it to Markus, I'd have no problem, but similar to how we get "numb" to his offensive abilities, I think we also get "numb" to Sacar's defensive abilities.  Markus played well defensively, but I still think Sacar played better on that end of the floor.

[Its DJOver]

Yep.  Yesterday we were actually pretty good with the ball.  Is a shot clock violation listed as a TO?

Counted as a team turnover.  Counted in the totals, but not attributed to any specific player.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Yes but two of Markus' TOs occurred in the last seconds of the shot clock because he was given the ball with less than 5 seconds and expected to make something out of nothing. More forgivable than your standard TO IMHO

Markus gets the easy turnovers!?!

[BM1090]

If SOTG is most unexpected good performance then yeah it is Sacar. If it is best player/performance of the day, then it's Markus.

The only knock on Markus is the turnovers but he also has the ball in his hands like 75% of the time. Amazing that 26/8/4 efficiently is "nothing special" to some.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

True, but the shot clock violation team TO in the second half resulted from when Markus passed the ball to Joey with less than 3 seconds on the shot clock, when he really had nowhere to go.  Team TO, but kinda on Markus.  If the mods give it to Markus, I'd have no problem, but similar to how we get "numb" to his offensive abilities, I think we also get "numb" to Sacar's defensive abilities.  Markus played well defensively, but I still think Sacar played better on that end of the floor.

Personally I think Markus has been abetter defender than Sacar this season. Yesterday Markus' main assignment was Goodin. He had 1 point.  Sacars main assignment was Scruggs. He had 17 points (though a lot of that occurred after the game was in hand).

[Its DJOver]

Personally I think Markus has been abetter defender than Sacar this season. Yesterday Markus' main assignment was Goodin. He had 1 point.  Sacars main assignment was Scruggs. He had 17 points (though a lot of that occurred after the game was in hand).

Goodin also only got 20 min, 15 below his average, (likely hurt), and the players that got his minutes were a true Sophomore averaging 3 ppg, and a true Freshman averaging 2 ppg.  Again, Markus didn't do a bad job defensively, but Sacar has been the better defender.

[skianth16]

We don't take the big first-half lead without Sacar playing superbly, but it's hard to ignore Markus' all-around production.

Markus would have easily had a double-double if Ed could make a layup without traveling today.

I go with Markus, but Sacar would be a fine choice too.

Also, thumbs-up to the Hauser who was on today.

I think this sums it all up pretty well. We get spoiled with what Markus is capable of, to the point that his 26/5/8 stat line doesn't even jump out as excellent. I'm glad to see Sacar have this kind of game that I've been thinking he's capable of, but I'd still have to go with Markus.

Hopefully this game propels Sacar to a few more 20 point outings. Having a guy that can get to the rim (and finish) can help change up the pace of our offense at times, which is a big positive.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Amazing.  26 pts, 8 assists by any other player at any other time in the history of scoop would have been a lock for SOTG.     Becoming numb to brilliance.

Meh. Markus got his, but I thought he had a very sloppy 1st half and some bad turnovers.  Didn't shoot the ball great (for him).  Right or wrong, the kid is so good that strong performances are expected.  Even a B performance from Markus is impressive at the end of the game. 

I voted for Sacar.  I think he was the key to the win yesterday.  Obviously Markus was still very good. 

[BrewCity83]

Sacar.  He performed the furthest above his expected level yesterday.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Goodin also only got 20 min, 15 below his average, (likely hurt), and the players that got his minutes were a true Sophomore averaging 3 ppg, and a true Freshman averaging 2 ppg.  Again, Markus didn't do a bad job defensively, but Sacar has been the better defender.

Holding someone to 1 point in 20 minutes is better than holding someone to 17 in 33.

Can you show your work on Sacar being the better defender?

[Its DJOver]

Holding someone to 1 point in 20 minutes is better than holding someone to 17 in 33.

Can you show your work on Sacar being the better defender?

The fact that Wojo almost gives him the toughest defensive assignment among guards.  He was the primary defender against Ponds, and Langford, and he started on Massinburg, and only got switched off him because Harris was torching us, he then proceeded to slow down Harris.  Even against X, Scruggs is a significantly better shooter, and three point shooter than Goodin.  If Wojo didn't think that Sacar was our best perimeter defender, he wouldn't assign these tasks.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The fact that Wojo almost gives him the toughest defensive assignment among guards.  He was the primary defender against Ponds, and Langford, and he started on Massinburg, and only got switched off him because Harris was torching us, he then proceeded to slow down Harris.  Even against X, Scruggs is a significantly better shooter, and three point shooter than Goodin.  If Wojo didn't think that Sacar was our best perimeter defender, he wouldn't assign these tasks.

I meant in this game.

[Its DJOver]

I meant in this game.

Quality of shot forced.  Sacar always seemed to have a hand in a guys face/forcing a fade-away, and that caused some really ugly shots from X.  There were a couple of times that Markus didn't even really contest a three point shot (not being critical, they hadn't hit one all day, so make em prove it before you get back in their grill).  I thought Markus did fine defensively, just that Sacar did better. 

Maybe it's the Coobie effect of noticing Sacar more, because he has more active hands/more length to contest better.  Kinda the opposite of Hanks rebounding, where you could never really remember a super emphatic rebound that he skied for, but you'd look up and he'd have 8-12 of them.

[TheGym]

Sacar, he scored most of his points when the game was in doubt.  Marcus scored about 40% of his point in the ~10 minutes of the game when the game was already in hand.

[rocky_warrior]

Sacar.  Because it was really close between him, Joey, and Markus, so I turned to my trusty kenpom, who had anointed him MVP of the game (likely because he had the highest O rating).

[tower912]

I want a refund.   






Or an Arby's coupon. 

[rocky_warrior]

I want a refund.   

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