No Wojo With Homer/Long Closed Door Meeting With Team

[jesmu84]

Wojo's body language throughout the game gave off the vibe that he was fine with having his ass handed to him on a silver platter. Lotsa work still needs ta bee dunn, aina?

Keep trying.

Remind me who you wanted when wojo was hired?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Great to hear, major teaching moment, can't let that kind of an opportunity slip

[Class71]

I hope I am wrong but it looked like STJ's speed, athletic ability, great shooting but poorly coached team outclassed a better coached,  normally good shooting, slow moving, less athletic team. Question is can we improve our defense with better anticipation to compensate for our weaknesses? Not sure we change our speed or athletic ability in the short term. Possibly we can have more set plays to improve our offense to also offset our limitations. I hope some of the experts out there can come up with some better solutions.

I really love this team. I expect them to do very well against more methodical teams. Unbridled one-on-one talent like St. John's is an issue for us unless this coaching staff can come up with a magic bullet. I sure hope they do. They are a great bunch of kids with talent who deserve more than what we saw last night.

[Marquetteauburn]

I actually thought this was nice to see. He looked like a guy who was thinking "these guys will be very teachable the next few weeks"

Wojo his first few years showed a lot of intensity and anger. Too much anger. I much prefer this calmer Wojo.

Agreed! Once every six games a team plays awful. I only get nervous if we get a second awful performance within 5 games.

[GGGG]

I hope I am wrong but it looked like STJ's speed, athletic ability, great shooting but poorly coached team outclassed a better coached,  normally good shooting, slow moving, less athletic team. Question is can we improve our defense with better anticipation to compensate for our weaknesses? Not sure we change our speed or athletic ability in the short term. Possibly we can have more set plays to improve our offense to also offset our limitations. I hope some of the experts out there can come up with some better solutions.

I really love this team. I expect them to do very well against more methodical teams. Unbridled one-on-one talent like St. John's is an issue for us unless this coaching staff can come up with a magic bullet. I sure hope they do. They are a great bunch of kids with talent who deserve more than what we saw last night.

How is STJ "poorly coached?"

[rocket surgeon]

   Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's? 

[willie warrior]

Wojo should be fired up!
Markus, Sam, and Theo came out flat.
Guys didn't bring the physicality needed.

He needed to get their attention.

They will be fine.

he should have had their attention before and during the game, and no, they are not fine, given the ass kicking they received.

[willie warrior]

If Wojo had Nick Saban-like BB recruits he wouldn't have to yell much.

If Wojo had St. Johns type recruits, he wouldnt have to yell much.

[Osiris]

he should have had their attention before and during the game, and no, they are not fine, given the ass kicking they received.

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[WhiteTrash]

I've been hopeful but sceptical about Wojo. This season so far has given him some respect capital he hasn't had previously.  Yes it was ugly but I now have faith it was just one game and MU will be better.
I realize this concept is foriegn to the Wojo faithful but that is how many of us view it.

[Class71]

How is STJ "poorly coached?"

I see real talent at each position playing great one-on-one play. I do not believe that is a coaching strategy from a great coach.

[muwarrior69]

   Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's?

We were just lucky our opponents played poorly.

[Class71]

   Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's?

Did not say uncoordinated or ugly. You added that. I said slower and less athletic than STJ. The 4 teams you mentioned are very good teams and they are excellent wins. STJ is, however, faster and more athletic then the four above and, therefore, are a difficult match up for us in my opinion. The 7 other wins were against teams with considerably less talent so not a good test. Apparently you disagree with our speed and athletic ability. OK, that is fine with me. I just believe it is not our strength. We have other strengths.

Last year STJ was also inconsistent. We will see if that returns this year.

[GGGG]

I see real talent at each position playing great one-on-one play. I do not believe that is a coaching strategy from a great coach.

But that's what they should have done.  They spread MU out on defense and attacked five out.  A good coach doesn't make things complex if they don't have to.  I mean, that strategy resulted in 86 points against a team that has a decent defense.

That's hardly the result of poor coaching.

[StillWarriors]

St. John's surely exploited some areas of concern with their athleticism, but they also were a fired up team that got on a roll and hit a lot of shots in opening up their big lead. We've all seen those games are going to happen a handful of times a year. The game had a bit of the feel of the Buffalo game where it seemed like every open look was knocked down, not just by Markus, and things snowballed. St. John's got confident and buried shots that aren't always going to go, even when open. At the same time, Markus and MU missed a lot of shots and didn't finish at the rim repeatedly without getting calls and going to the line. It was one of those perfect storm games where the other team gets on a roll and we couldn't knock shots down that may have stemmed the tide. It is disappointing this has happened in our only 2 road games so far, and will be a significant problem if it continues. For the time being, I suspect this will be the exception rather than the norm, and we will have our share of games that are similar in our favor. We've had a couple already (KState and Buffalo).

[Lennys Tap]

I hope I am wrong but it looked like STJ's speed, athletic ability, great shooting but poorly coached team outclassed a better coached,  normally good shooting, slow moving, less athletic team. Question is can we improve our defense with better anticipation to compensate for our weaknesses? Not sure we change our speed or athletic ability in the short term.

Sounds like you think Chris Mullen was coaching Duke last night rather than St Johns. I know others here have suggested he can't coach, but the team I watched beat us looked pretty well prepared to me. In addition, even though it's a given here that #huddles mo matta I was impressed with the way he conducted his - told his guys exactly what they needed to do down the stretch.

[skianth16]

   Sheesh, so our less athletic and slower team beat Buffalo, Wisconsin Louisville, Kansas state amongst 7 other wins, but reared our ugly slow, uncoordinated team during 3 losses or just this one against St. John's?

I watched most of the KSU vs. Texas game last night, and I'm beginning to wonder if the KSU win will still be considered a big win come March. They looked terrible and got beat by a decent but inconsistent (maybe mediocre?) Texas team at home. Since losing to us in Milwaukee, they haven't been impressive at all. They lost to Tulsa, and barely squeaked out wins against Southern Miss (4 pts) and George Mason (1 pt), both at home. Throw in the 20 point drubbing at home against Texas, and they've had a rough month.

Their next 4 games are against Texas Tech, West Virginia, Iowa State, and Oklahoma, which is a brutal stretch.  If they manage to go 2-2 or better, then there may be hope for them. But there's a real possibility they could lose all 4 of these games and see a big drop in their NET and kenpom rankings.

[Galway Eagle]

I watched most of the KSU vs. Texas game last night, and I'm beginning to wonder if the KSU win will still be considered a big win come March. They looked terrible and got beat by a decent but inconsistent (maybe mediocre?) Texas team at home. Since losing to us in Milwaukee, they haven't been impressive at all. They lost to Tulsa, and barely squeaked out wins against Southern Miss (4 pts) and George Mason (1 pt), both at home. Throw in the 20 point drubbing at home against Texas, and they've had a rough month.

Their next 4 games are against Texas Tech, West Virginia, Iowa State, and Oklahoma, which is a brutal stretch.  If they manage to go 2-2 or better, then there may be hope for them. But there's a real possibility they could lose all 4 of these games and see a big drop in their NET and kenpom rankings.

They're missing a some pretty important players right now.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I watched most of the KSU vs. Texas game last night, and I'm beginning to wonder if the KSU win will still be considered a big win come March. They looked terrible and got beat by a decent but inconsistent (maybe mediocre?) Texas team at home. Since losing to us in Milwaukee, they haven't been impressive at all. They lost to Tulsa, and barely squeaked out wins against Southern Miss (4 pts) and George Mason (1 pt), both at home. Throw in the 20 point drubbing at home against Texas, and they've had a rough month.

Their next 4 games are against Texas Tech, West Virginia, Iowa State, and Oklahoma, which is a brutal stretch.  If they manage to go 2-2 or better, then there may be hope for them. But there's a real possibility they could lose all 4 of these games and see a big drop in their NET and kenpom rankings.

KScoopU is going apesh!t.

[Floorslapper]

Sounds like you think Chris Mullen was coaching Duke last night rather than St Johns. I know others here have suggested he can't coach, but the team I watched beat us looked pretty well prepared to me. In addition, even though it's a given here that #huddles mo matta I was impressed with the way he conducted his - told his guys exactly what they needed to do down the stretch.

I've been impressed with Mullen since he took over at St. John's.  He's put his stamp on that program.  He has some clout/cache with recruits.  Mitch Richmond on his staff as well.  Similarly some here also have ridiculed the Patrick Ewing hire, yet in my view he has GTown on the right track, and much like Mullen will have clout/cache with recruits and recruit's parents.

Not sure we are at a point where we can be claiming any kind of head coaching superiority over other programs in the Big East. 

[skianth16]

They're missing a some pretty important players right now.

Fair point. I noticed Wade wasn't playing but didn't realize he's hurt. And from a quick search, it looks like last night was the first game Stokes has missed due to injury. They were both healthy and playing against Tulsa, though. And I would still expect a top 25 team to be able to roll past teams like George Mason and Georgia Southern even if they're playing without a starter.

So even though injuries are an unforeseen setback, they are still likely to affect the outcome of future games. Knowing 2 of their best guys are down, I'm even more skeptical that our win against them will carry much weight come March. Maybe they get back to 100% and go on a run, which would be great for us, but I'm not sure I see that happening.

Or maybe the committee will look at our game and note that it was a different KSU team than what they had for a long stretch of the year. Does anyone know how this typically works?

[GGGG]

*Mullin

[Its DJOver]

I've been impressed with Mullen since he took over at St. John's.  He's put his stamp on that program.  He has some clout/cache with recruits.  Mitch Richmond on his staff as well.  Similarly some here also have ridiculed the Patrick Ewing hire, yet in my view he has GTown on the right track, and much like Mullen will have clout/cache with recruits and recruit's parents.

Not sure we are at a point where we can be claiming any kind of head coaching superiority over other programs in the Big East.

I don't think Mullin has done a bad job, but this is his 4th season, and he has yet to finish a year with a winning record.  Yes he was left a (please forgive me) bare cupboard, but as we all know, it takes four to five years to judge.  Similar to Wojo this year, he has more talent than he ever has had before so this is the season where the rubber meets the road.  Also, as much as people have complained about the transfers out of the MU program, there have been more players leaving the StJ program.  They're off to a very good start this year, but given their SOS, will likely need 22-23 wins to get a bid.  If they get there, I think the program will be okay (assuming they can cut down on the transfers).  If they are an NIT team this year, and Ponds leaves, I think there will rightfully be some major questions about the future of the program.

[GGGG]

I've been impressed with Mullen since he took over at St. John's.  He's put his stamp on that program.  He has some clout/cache with recruits.  Mitch Richmond on his staff as well.  Similarly some here also have ridiculed the Patrick Ewing hire, yet in my view he has GTown on the right track, and much like Mullen will have clout/cache with recruits and recruit's parents.

I think former NBA players and coaches just have a different vibe.  It drives me nuts to see college coaches micro-managing everything and screaming incessantly on the sidelines.  Mullin and Ewing both seem to choose their words carefully letting the players figure it out.  A lot of other successful college coaches have as well. 

Not sure we are at a point where we can be claiming any kind of head coaching superiority over other programs in the Big East. 

Well by numerous measures Wojo has been more successful than both Mullin and Ewing so....

[Floorslapper]

I think former NBA players and coaches just have a different vibe.  It drives me nuts to see college coaches micro-managing everything and screaming incessantly on the sidelines.  Mullin and Ewing both seem to choose their words carefully letting the players figure it out.  A lot of other successful college coaches have as well.


Well by numerous measures Wojo has been more successful than both Mullin and Ewing so....

Agree with bolded.

Sure...but not quite fair comparison with Mullin now in Year 4.  However, every year they've improved in Pomeroy from 211, to 99, to 74 last year, to 40 now (all of which are worse than MU under Wojo

Ewing in Year 2.  Too early to really measure him against Wojo

There was just some sentiment here that ridiculed Mullin and Ewing as head coaches, and to me that seems a little out of place as our coach hasn't exactly blazed an incredible start to his career.

Takes 5-years to judge, right?