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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1200 on: March 14, 2019, 10:07:19 PM »
I think St John's is out. In all the years of the RPI, they never let a team lower than 67 in. A 32-point home loss could easily drop the Johnnies from 64 to 68, especially as Arizona State & Xavier won behind them. Letting the Johnnies in would basically be throwing the NET out in its first year.
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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1201 on: March 14, 2019, 10:27:39 PM »
Georgetown pissed away a chance to cut this to single digits. 2 missed dunks, 2 turnovers in the paint, missed free throw, shot clock violation.

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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1202 on: March 14, 2019, 10:29:00 PM »
Georgetown pissed away a chance to cut this to single digits. 2 missed dunks, 2 turnovers in the paint, missed free throw, shot clock violation.
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Not Big East related, but Texas is missing bunnies and not cutting the Kansas lead.
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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1203 on: March 14, 2019, 10:55:08 PM »
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« Reply #1204 on: March 14, 2019, 11:05:23 PM »
Nice win for The Hall. Should be a great match up tomorrow .
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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1205 on: March 14, 2019, 11:38:40 PM »
I think St John's is out. In all the years of the RPI, they never let a team lower than 67 in. A 32-point home loss could easily drop the Johnnies from 64 to 68, especially as Arizona State & Xavier won behind them. Letting the Johnnies in would basically be throwing the NET out in its first year.

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« Reply #1206 on: March 14, 2019, 11:45:49 PM »
St. John's will be in.
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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1207 on: March 14, 2019, 11:51:12 PM »
79th in Ken Pom.  They will be very nervous on Sunday.

Read an article today that said the NET very closely parallels kenpom because of its offensive and defensive efficiency emphasis. Some think that’s good, others bad.
For what it’s worth I think it’s better if it didn’t mirror it so closely (because I think it’s more predictive than based on previous results) and used kenpom as an aside tool. It has its value but also its flaws.

That said StJ bigger issue beyond the poor NET will be its ooc sos, that ish is brutal. However, I think Marquette helps get them in- those two wins along nova will be enough imo (5 Q1s). I think today’s decimation pushes them to tue or wed in Dayton tho

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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1208 on: March 15, 2019, 07:57:37 AM »
Xavier biggest game of the year tonight versus Villanova. Excellent research report below:

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2019/3/15/18266485/xavier-v-villanova-big-east-semifinal-preview-basketball-ncaa-tournament-bubble


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Re: Big East Conference/Tournament Results
« Reply #1209 on: March 15, 2019, 08:00:29 AM »
St. John's will be in.

It's possible. If they are, scrap the NET and go back to RPI, because it's obvious the NET has all the merit of single ply toilet paper.
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« Reply #1211 on: March 15, 2019, 08:26:33 AM »
Villanova adapting to roster.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/14/villanova-keeps-on-winning-by-using-a-different-style/

Yesterday Wright sat Quinerly again, he hasn't played in four games. Then inserts Cole Swider (former top 40 recruit), who has played one minute in the last 15 games, into major sub minutes. Maybe Wright gets a gut feeling thing going on.

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« Reply #1212 on: March 15, 2019, 08:41:00 AM »
It's possible. If they are, scrap the NET and go back to RPI, because it's obvious the NET has all the merit of single ply toilet paper.

Using any one metric as the determining factor is dumb. I think they’ll use net, but I doubt they’re going to have some arbitrary cut off like the committee seemingly has with RPI.

Also if SJU isn’t in (I think they’re in), then Creighton is getting in. I see no way they only give the Big East 3 bids.
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« Reply #1213 on: March 15, 2019, 09:03:27 AM »
Using any one metric as the determining factor is dumb. I think they’ll use net, but I doubt they’re going to have some arbitrary cut off like the committee seemingly has with RPI.

Also if SJU isn’t in (I think they’re in), then Creighton is getting in. I see no way they only give the Big East 3 bids.

It isn't using one metric, though. St. John's is 79 in Kenpom & was 62 at Sagarin (that will drop) going into yesterday. Some metrics do like them, Pauga has them at 40 & SOR has them at 54. They aren't necessarily dead, but it would likely take an unprecedented decision by the Selection Committee.

I also think Creighton may have fallen out yesterday. Their 17-14 record really doesn't look that great as the D2 win won't be considered, though their SOS likely gives them a better shot (IMO) than the Johnnies. I think the best chance for a 4th Big East bid is Xavier winning the auto.
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« Reply #1214 on: March 15, 2019, 09:22:29 AM »
Yesterday Wright sat Quinerly again, he hasn't played in four games. Then inserts Cole Swider (former top 40 recruit), who has played one minute in the last 15 games, into major sub minutes. Maybe Wright gets a gut feeling thing going on.
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« Reply #1215 on: March 15, 2019, 09:38:53 AM »
It isn't using one metric, though. St. John's is 79 in Kenpom & was 62 at Sagarin (that will drop) going into yesterday. Some metrics do like them, Pauga has them at 40 & SOR has them at 54. They aren't necessarily dead, but it would likely take an unprecedented decision by the Selection Committee.

I also think Creighton may have fallen out yesterday. Their 17-14 record really doesn't look that great as the D2 win won't be considered, though their SOS likely gives them a better shot (IMO) than the Johnnies. I think the best chance for a 4th Big East bid is Xavier winning the auto.

Yah, Creighton is clearly behind SJU IMO.  I don't think Creighton gets in, but I do think SJU is likely in.  I know Lunardi is a just a guy, but he still has them safe from Dayton in his update this morning.  Most of the teams behind them are already out as well (NC State, TCU, Belmont, Texas, Indiana, Clemson, Furman, Lipscomb, UNCG). 
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« Reply #1216 on: March 15, 2019, 09:42:54 AM »
It isn't using one metric, though. St. John's is 79 in Kenpom & was 62 at Sagarin (that will drop) going into yesterday. Some metrics do like them, Pauga has them at 40 & SOR has them at 54. They aren't necessarily dead, but it would likely take an unprecedented decision by the Selection Committee.

I also think Creighton may have fallen out yesterday. Their 17-14 record really doesn't look that great as the D2 win won't be considered, though their SOS likely gives them a better shot (IMO) than the Johnnies. I think the best chance for a 4th Big East bid is Xavier winning the auto.

SJU now at 72 NET and 79 Kenpom. X at 65 kenpom and 70 in NET. If X needs two to get in, no way SJU is in.
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« Reply #1217 on: March 15, 2019, 09:44:03 AM »
Especially since X swept SJU
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« Reply #1218 on: March 15, 2019, 09:49:41 AM »
SJU now at 72 NET and 79 Kenpom. X at 65 kenpom and 70 in NET. If X needs two to get in, no way SJU is in.

Yeah, I think St John's is completely done. I would be shocked to see them get an at large.
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« Reply #1219 on: March 15, 2019, 09:50:38 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of Thursday March 14. Odd that Creighton lost and improved but Xavier won and stayed the same.
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« Reply #1220 on: March 15, 2019, 09:51:32 AM »
Going into tourney, X was my "upset special."

Playing very well last month-plus. We were fortunate to get them twice earlier in the season.
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« Reply #1221 on: March 15, 2019, 09:53:42 AM »
SJU 5th last team in after Bracketville update this morning.

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« Reply #1222 on: March 15, 2019, 09:54:26 AM »
Yeah, I think St John's is completely done. I would be shocked to see them get an at large.

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« Reply #1223 on: March 15, 2019, 09:54:54 AM »
Yeah, I think St John's is completely done. I would be shocked to see them get an at large.


The problem is many of the bubble teams are losing.  Someone has to take these spots, and most of the mid-majors like Furman and UNC-Greensboro are hardly listed at all on Bracket Matrix. 
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« Reply #1224 on: March 15, 2019, 09:55:27 AM »
We want The Johnnies in for the sake of Big East getting NCAA units.
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