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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1000 on: March 04, 2019, 11:11:27 AM »
Remaining Big East Schedule w/ TRANK's line

Tuesday, March 5
Xavier @ Butler (Butler -5)

Wednesday, March 6
Marquette @ Seton Hall (Marquette -1)
Providence @ Creighton (Creighton -7)
Georgetown @ Depaul (Depaul -2)

Saturday, March 9
Butler @ Providence (Providence -2)
Villanova @ Seton Hall (Villanova -1)
Georgetown @ Marquette (Marquette -10)
St. John's @ Xavier (Xavier -3)
Depaul @ Creighton (Creighton -10)
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1001 on: March 04, 2019, 11:28:48 AM »
Current Standings (with current tie breakers):

Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-8
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 6-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10

Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:

1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker.  Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*

2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]

3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)

4. Xavier 9-9
[@Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]

5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]

6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]

7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]

8. Butler 7-11
[vs. X (W); @PC (L)]

9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]

10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]


Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):

PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul

Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU

Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown

Small correction. Nova is 2-2 vs. Gtown and X so we'd win that tiebreaker.

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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1002 on: March 04, 2019, 11:32:29 AM »
Current Standings (with current tie breakers):

Villanova 13-4
Marquette 12-4
Georgetown 8-8
Xavier 8-8
St. Johns 8-9
Seton Hall 7-9
Creighton 7-9
Butler 6-10
Depaul 6-10
Providence 6-10

Projected Standings with expected results of remaining schedule via TRANK:

1. Marquette 14-4
[@SHU (W); vs. Gtown (W)]
*MU wins 3rd tie breaker of BE road record (MU 6 wins to Nova's 3, Nova cannot catch MU on that tie breaker.  Teams splits H2H; both teams 3-1 against teams tied for 3rd.*

2. Nova 14-4
[@SHU (W)]

3. Creighton 9-9
[vs.PC (W); vs. Depaul (W)

4. Xavier 9-9
[@Butler (L); vs. SJU (W)]

5. SJU 8-10
[@ X (L)]

6. Georgetown 8-10
[@ Depaul (L); @MU (L)]

7. Providence 7-11
[ @Creighton (L); vs. Butler (W)]

8. Butler 7-11
[vs. X (W); @PC (L)]

9. Depaul 7-11
[vs. Gtown (W); @ Creighton (L)]

10. Seton Hall 7-11
[vs. MU (L); vs. Nova (L)]


Big East Tourney Bracket (based on above results):

PC vs. Seton Hall
Butler vs. Depaul

Marquette vs. Butler/Depaul Winner
X vs. SJU

Nova vs. PC/Seton Hall Winner
Creighton vs. Gtown

At this point, beyond winning our two remaining games, I think the following are important.

-If we want to win the BE regular season title, most likely need at least 1 of Seton Hall over Nova, or X over SJU.  X over SJU puts SJU likely in Dayton at 8-10, but we really don't want SJU in a tie for 3rd place since they swept us.  No one swept Nova, so I don't believe there is away to get BE regular season title tie breaker over Nova if SJU is tied for 3rd. 

-As far as maxing Big East bids, any wins for Depaul, PC or Butler at this point are not good for that goal.  Xavier over Butler, Creighton over PC, GTown over Depaul, Creighton over Depaul are best for trying to get more bids. 

It is going to be very interesting to see how this shakes out.  It is still possible for just 2 teams over .500, one at .500 (one of X or SJU have to be .500 since they still play eachother and both have 8 wins), and the rest 8-10 or 7-11. Crazy. 
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1003 on: March 04, 2019, 11:33:17 AM »
Small correction. Nova is 2-2 vs. Gtown and X so we'd win that tiebreaker.

Thank you for the catch! A lot of moving parts!
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1004 on: March 04, 2019, 11:36:07 AM »
Small correction. Nova is 2-2 vs. Gtown and X so we'd win that tiebreaker.

Actually, nope I think I was right.  3rd seed is X and Creighton.  Both Nova and Marquette are 3-1 against that "mini conference", therefore it would go to 3rd tie breaker, which is BE road record. 
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1005 on: March 04, 2019, 11:42:18 AM »
I actually think Xavier wins both this week to go 10-8, Georgetown splits to go 9-9, Creighton wins both to go 9-9 and SJU loses(obviously if I think Xavier wins both), to go 8-10. That's what I think will happen, and if so, MU would win the tiebreaker because of their sweep of Xavier.
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1006 on: March 04, 2019, 11:48:50 AM »
I actually think Xavier wins both this week to go 10-8, Georgetown splits to go 9-9, Creighton wins both to go 9-9 and SJU loses(obviously if I think Xavier wins both), to go 8-10. That's what I think will happen, and if so, MU would win the tiebreaker because of their sweep of Xavier.

Yah, that would work too. 
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1007 on: March 04, 2019, 12:46:20 PM »
Actually, nope I think I was right.  3rd seed is X and Creighton.  Both Nova and Marquette are 3-1 against that "mini conference", therefore it would go to 3rd tie breaker, which is BE road record.

We were looking at different things. I was looking at the current 3rd place teams. You were looking at the T Rank forecasted 3rd place teams. Makes sense.

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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1008 on: March 04, 2019, 12:52:53 PM »
At this point, beyond winning our two remaining games, I think the following are important.

-If we want to win the BE regular season title, most likely need at least 1 of Seton Hall over Nova, or X over SJU.  X over SJU puts SJU likely in Dayton at 8-10, but we really don't want SJU in a tie for 3rd place since they swept us.  No one swept Nova, so I don't believe there is away to get BE regular season title tie breaker over Nova if SJU is tied for 3rd. 


It should be noted that the #1 seed tie breaker does not matter for the regular season title.  A tie is co-champs.

Marquette is outright champs with two wins and a Villanova loss.

Nova needs either a win and MU loss, or two MU losses for the outright title.

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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1009 on: March 04, 2019, 08:56:21 PM »
Big East Net Rankings as of games of Sunday March 3.

New Old
25   26   Villanova   
26   19   Marquette   
50   57   Creighton   
59   60   Butler   
61   58   St. John's (NY)   
63   63   Seton Hall   
70   70   Xavier   
72   72   Georgetown   
78   78   Providence   
104   110   DePaul   
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1010 on: March 05, 2019, 12:54:49 PM »
Marquette and Big East fans should be rooting for Xavier tonight over Butler.

But knowing this league, Butler wins and creates a more flustered situation.
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« Reply #1011 on: March 05, 2019, 07:03:07 PM »
Marquette and Big East fans should be rooting for Xavier tonight over Butler.

But knowing this league, Butler wins and creates a more flustered situation.
In typical fashion Butler won. The Big East is competitive top to bottom.
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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #1012 on: March 05, 2019, 07:11:07 PM »
I'm probably being too cynical but Seton Hall is going to get allllllllllll the calls tomorrow

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« Reply #1013 on: March 05, 2019, 07:12:43 PM »
In typical fashion Butler won. The Big East is competitive top to bottom.

True that MU and VU have some glaring losses but only because of schizophrenic STJ we can say it’s top to bottom. I’m sure There are other adjectives (that don’t come to mind) that describecthe BE this year. “Down” is true but used a lot. Mediocre maybe.

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« Reply #1014 on: March 05, 2019, 07:19:11 PM »
I venture a prediction:  MU wins it at 14-4 and VU second 13-5 ...1 9-9 team, 5 8-10 teams, and 2 7-11 teams.

Not sure if I want to root for STJ. They annoy me and I want them hem to lose...but want another BE team in the tourney so torn. SHU is toast methinks.

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« Reply #1015 on: March 05, 2019, 08:00:43 PM »
So I understand that if MU and Nova tie for first the Big East tournament seeding is decided by who has a better record against the third place team. But does the regular season title also work like that? Or if MU and Nova tie for first based on record we both share the title?

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« Reply #1016 on: March 05, 2019, 08:05:39 PM »
So I understand that if MU and Nova tie for first the Big East tournament seeding is decided by who has a better record against the third place team. But does the regular season title also work like that? Or if MU and Nova tie for first based on record we both share the title?

It's a shared title, the tiebreakers are only for BET seeding.
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« Reply #1017 on: March 05, 2019, 08:16:29 PM »
Yes....co-champions.

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« Reply #1018 on: March 05, 2019, 08:18:59 PM »
Which is why we were 2012-13 Big East champs but the #2 seed in the BET.
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« Reply #1019 on: March 05, 2019, 08:32:09 PM »
Xavier losing tonight, really hurt MU from everything I can tell...at least if you project correctly what happens the rest of this week. That loss to Creighton may absolutely sting come Saturday afternoon. If you ASSUME the following..Georgetown wins tomm night vs DePaul, and Creighton beats Providence...that means at that point..Georgetown is 9-8, Xavier, SJU and Creighton are 8-9(the battle for 3rd) going into Saturday. Fast forward to Saturday...You assume GT loses to MU, they finish at 9-9. Assume Creighton beats DePaul at home...they finish 9-9, and then the winner of SJU/Xavier finishes 9-9. So you have:

Georgetown 9-9
Creighton-9-9
Xavier/SJU-9-9

If it's SJU at 9-9, MU will lose the tiebreaker, because in the "mini" conference of Xavier, Georgetown, Creighton...SJU would have the best record via their two wins over Creighton...SJU finishes third in this scenario. MU gets the #2 seed(remember this all ASSUMES an MU-Nova tie).

If it's Xavier, Georgetown and Creighton that finish 9-9...Creighton wins that tie breaker and finishes third due to their sweep of Georgetown. MU loses that tiebreaker.

Bottom line, MU fans need to root hard for Providence to beat Creighton tomm night..if that happens, and Georgetown wins, then there can ONLY be a two way tie for third at 9-9 under this scenario...and that would be either GT and SJU, or GT and Xavier. Obviously if it's SJU tied with anyone, MU loses the tiebreaker..Should Georgetown and Creighton both lose tomorrow night, then the ONLY scenario for third is the winner of Xavier vs SJU Saturday...that's the third place team.

Had Xavier won tonight, MU's path was much easier..Now, it really comes down to them beating SJU Saturday, and Creighton losing one of two(they have two at home).It could all be moot of course if MU wins out and Nova loses @ Hall Saturday.

If it ends up
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« Reply #1020 on: March 05, 2019, 08:40:50 PM »
At this point in the season we are basically in win out the season mode. There are no more teams that are easy victories.

I would actually prefer to play The Johnnies in the BET and get more reps in against a long athletic type team. We are going to have to face teams like that in the tournament anyway.
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« Reply #1021 on: March 05, 2019, 08:44:15 PM »
I venture a prediction:  MU wins it at 14-4 and VU second 13-5 ...1 9-9 team, 5 8-10 teams, and 2 7-11 teams.

Not sure if I want to root for STJ. They annoy me and I want them hem to lose...but want another BE team in the tourney so torn. SHU is toast methinks.

Seton Hall is probably a lock with a 1-1 finish. They are definitely not toast.
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« Reply #1022 on: March 05, 2019, 08:49:36 PM »
Xavier losing tonight, really hurt MU from everything I can tell...at least if you project correctly what happens the rest of this week. That loss to Creighton may absolutely sting come Saturday afternoon. If you ASSUME the following..Georgetown wins tomm night vs DePaul, and Creighton beats Providence...that means at that point..Georgetown is 9-8, Xavier, SJU and Creighton are 8-9(the battle for 3rd) going into Saturday. Fast forward to Saturday...You assume GT loses to MU, they finish at 9-9. Assume Creighton beats DePaul at home...they finish 9-9, and then the winner of SJU/Xavier finishes 9-9. So you have:

Georgetown 9-9
Creighton-9-9
Xavier/SJU-9-9

If it's SJU at 9-9, MU will lose the tiebreaker, because in the "mini" conference of Xavier, Georgetown, Creighton...SJU would have the best record via their two wins over Creighton...SJU finishes third in this scenario. MU gets the #2 seed(remember this all ASSUMES an MU-Nova tie).

If it's Xavier, Georgetown and Creighton that finish 9-9...Creighton wins that tie breaker and finishes third due to their sweep of Georgetown. MU loses that tiebreaker.

Bottom line, MU fans need to root hard for Providence to beat Creighton tomm night..if that happens, and Georgetown wins, then there can ONLY be a two way tie for third at 9-9 under this scenario...and that would be either GT and SJU, or GT and Xavier. Obviously if it's SJU tied with anyone, MU loses the tiebreaker..Should Georgetown and Creighton both lose tomorrow night, then the ONLY scenario for third is the winner of Xavier vs SJU Saturday...that's the third place team.

Had Xavier won tonight, MU's path was much easier..Now, it really comes down to them beating SJU Saturday, and Creighton losing one of two(they have two at home).It could all be moot of course if MU wins out and Nova loses @ Hall Saturday.

If it ends up

Yah it’s all fu*ked up.

True that MU and VU have some glaring losses but only because of schizophrenic STJ we can say it’s top to bottom. I’m sure There are other adjectives (that don’t come to mind) that describecthe BE this year. “Down” is true but used a lot. Mediocre maybe.

I think mediocre is fair. But I also think the BE has 10 teams that could legitimately win the BET a probably win a game or two in the dance. Certainly a fall off after MU/Nova, but all 8 of those teams can play.
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« Reply #1023 on: March 05, 2019, 08:51:12 PM »
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« Reply #1024 on: March 05, 2019, 08:59:24 PM »
Xavier losing tonight, really hurt MU from everything I can tell...at least if you project correctly what happens the rest of this week. That loss to Creighton may absolutely sting come Saturday afternoon. If you ASSUME the following..Georgetown wins tomm night vs DePaul, and Creighton beats Providence...that means at that point..Georgetown is 9-8, Xavier, SJU and Creighton are 8-9(the battle for 3rd) going into Saturday. Fast forward to Saturday...You assume GT loses to MU, they finish at 9-9. Assume Creighton beats DePaul at home...they finish 9-9, and then the winner of SJU/Xavier finishes 9-9. So you have:

Georgetown 9-9
Creighton-9-9
Xavier/SJU-9-9

If it's SJU at 9-9, MU will lose the tiebreaker, because in the "mini" conference of Xavier, Georgetown, Creighton...SJU would have the best record via their two wins over Creighton...SJU finishes third in this scenario. MU gets the #2 seed(remember this all ASSUMES an MU-Nova tie).

If it's Xavier, Georgetown and Creighton that finish 9-9...Creighton wins that tie breaker and finishes third due to their sweep of Georgetown. MU loses that tiebreaker.

Bottom line, MU fans need to root hard for Providence to beat Creighton tomm night..if that happens, and Georgetown wins, then there can ONLY be a two way tie for third at 9-9 under this scenario...and that would be either GT and SJU, or GT and Xavier. Obviously if it's SJU tied with anyone, MU loses the tiebreaker..Should Georgetown and Creighton both lose tomorrow night, then the ONLY scenario for third is the winner of Xavier vs SJU Saturday...that's the third place team.

Had Xavier won tonight, MU's path was much easier..Now, it really comes down to them beating SJU Saturday, and Creighton losing one of two(they have two at home).It could all be moot of course if MU wins out and Nova loses @ Hall Saturday.

If it ends up

I’m not being a smartass here, but IF Marquette wins the Big East in a tie with Villanova is it really that important that they get the 1 seed?

Your post makes it seem so, but I don’t really see the importance. The accomplishment will already have been had in the title (although in a split) so I would almost prefer Marquette as the 2 seed playing the last game of the night (instead of first of the day) so that I can watch on Thursday

 

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