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Re: Big East Conference Results
« Reply #900 on: February 25, 2019, 03:08:43 PM »
You also can't ignore that if all the other teams were better, we probably wouldn't have the same record.  We aren't 12-2 with the quality that the conference had last year.  Part of the reason that we've only lost twice since Thanksgiving is that we haven't played as many really good teams that other's on the 1-3 line have.  It's not our fault, we can only play who's on the schedule, but if we think we deserve a 2 and get knocked to a 3 because of the strength of the conference, we'll get no sympathy from Gonzaga or Nevada.

Nevada needs to play a few Q1 games before they are allowed to spurn sympathy.

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« Reply #901 on: February 25, 2019, 03:15:11 PM »
Nevada needs to play a few Q1 games before they are allowed to spurn sympathy.

I'm just saying that as much as we rip the Houston, Nevada and Gonzaga's of the cbb world for not playing anyone in conference, we should also look at the fact that we've played exactly one ranked team in 2019.  Again, not our fault, we can only play who's on the schedule, but if you want a spot on the top 2 lines, and your resume gets put next to some of these other teams that have played 5, 6, 7 ranked teams in the same span, they're going to get the benefit of the doubt, even if they have a couple more losses than us.

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« Reply #902 on: February 25, 2019, 03:22:28 PM »
I'm just saying that as much as we rip the Houston, Nevada and Gonzaga's of the cbb world for not playing anyone in conference, we should also look at the fact that we've played exactly one ranked team in 2019.  Again, not our fault, we can only play who's on the schedule, but if you want a spot on the top 2 lines, and your resume gets put next to some of these other teams that have played 5, 6, 7 ranked teams in the same span, they're going to get the benefit of the doubt, even if they have a couple more losses than us.

Your point is correct, but I'd like to reframe it. The NCAA doesn't use the AP rankings.

We have played 0 teams in the top 25 in 2019. Nova is NET 28, St John's is 47, Butler 49.

DePaul at 108 is the only team outside of the Top 100 that we've played this year, but it's still not the most challenging schedule.

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« Reply #903 on: February 25, 2019, 03:33:15 PM »
I still will root for the BigEast team in the tourney.  Those NCAA unit payouts can add up.

Basically one unit for every game.  If the conference has one team that's out in the first game.
That one unit is a bit over $272,000, which will be paid to the conference for each of the next 6 years.  Roughly $1.7 million over 6 years, divided by the teams in the conference.

5 units per year for each of six years, pays a conference over $8 million a year.
averaging 10 units per year, pays the conference over $16.3 million a year.

The BigEast earned 13 units last season.  At that pace that's over $21 million a year.

The Pac12 earned 3 units.   Split at least 12 ways, means each school will take home $400-425,000 each year.  Doesn't make a dent in their athletic budgets.

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« Reply #904 on: February 25, 2019, 03:41:49 PM »
Your point is correct, but I'd like to reframe it. The NCAA doesn't use the AP rankings.

We have played 0 teams in the top 25 in 2019. Nova is NET 28, St John's is 47, Butler 49.

DePaul at 108 is the only team outside of the Top 100 that we've played this year, but it's still not the most challenging schedule.

We're talking about getting a 2 seed right, so lets compare to the current 2s in bracketmatrix.

MU has had 3 Q1A games, we're 2-1, and only have 1 more in the regular season

Tenn has had 6 Q1A games, they're 3-3, and have 3 more Q1A games in the regular season

MSU  has had 7 Q1A games and are 4-3 with 1 more opportunity

Mich has had 6 Q1A games and are 4-2 with 2 more opportunities

UNC has had 7 Q1A games, and are 4-2 with 1 more opportunity

Yes, we've had fewer opportunities which was largely out of our control, but it's that much harder to stack up to the teams with 7-10 Q1A games.  The same reason that Nevada gets knocked, and that Gonzaga has gotten knocked for years, is affecting us this year.  Just winning alone will not get us to the 2 line, we will also need some help.

*I believe I counted Q1A games correctly, I might be off by 1 or 2, but the point still stands.

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« Reply #905 on: February 25, 2019, 05:51:03 PM »
I still will root for the BigEast team in the tourney.  Those NCAA unit payouts can add up.

Basically one unit for every game.  If the conference has one team that's out in the first game.
That one unit is a bit over $272,000, which will be paid to the conference for each of the next 6 years.  Roughly $1.7 million over 6 years, divided by the teams in the conference.

5 units per year for each of six years, pays a conference over $8 million a year.
averaging 10 units per year, pays the conference over $16.3 million a year.

The BigEast earned 13 units last season.  At that pace that's over $21 million a year.

The Pac12 earned 3 units.   Split at least 12 ways, means each school will take home $400-425,000 each year.  Doesn't make a dent in their athletic budgets.

Look, everyone talks about the $$ aspect of getting more bids, it's better for MU etc..MU has NEVER regardless of conference, ever skimped on spending in men's basketball. Besides, what's going to happen?? Is the conference going to fold because they don't have enough $$?? When has that EVER happened?? The better the conference is, does NOT raise MU's profile...MU raises MU's profile. What I mean is, and here's an example...has playing in the American conference hurt Houston this year?? They are going to be a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA's. For years and years Memphis rolled through their conference and earned a #1 seed and made the national Championship game in 2008.

Villanova has won 2 of the last three national Championships...do you think they need the conference to be really good in order to get National recognition, or get good recruits?? Hell No! The BE could be one of the worst conferences in America, and because Nova has those two National Championships, they will do just fine by themselves. I want MU to dominate the BE, every single year, whether it's up, down or somewhere in between...That's the BEST thing MU could do for themselves. Whether 6 teams make the tourney from the BE in a given year, or two do, what matters most for MU is how MU does..period.
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« Reply #906 on: February 25, 2019, 06:00:14 PM »
Big East NET  Rankings as of games of Sunday February 24. It will be interesting when they post the actual formulas for the rankings to see simulations of how schedules could have made a difference. For example what if DePaul would have done an OOC tournament this year <and won a couple of games, how would that impact the rest of the league?

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« Reply #907 on: February 25, 2019, 07:40:59 PM »
Look, everyone talks about the $$ aspect of getting more bids, it's better for MU etc..MU has NEVER regardless of conference, ever skimped on spending in men's basketball. Besides, what's going to happen?? Is the conference going to fold because they don't have enough $$?? When has that EVER happened?? The better the conference is, does NOT raise MU's profile...MU raises MU's profile. What I mean is, and here's an example...has playing in the American conference hurt Houston this year?? They are going to be a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA's. For years and years Memphis rolled through their conference and earned a #1 seed and made the national Championship game in 2008.

Villanova has won 2 of the last three national Championships...do you think they need the conference to be really good in order to get National recognition, or get good recruits?? Hell No! The BE could be one of the worst conferences in America, and because Nova has those two National Championships, they will do just fine by themselves. I want MU to dominate the BE, every single year, whether it's up, down or somewhere in between...That's the BEST thing MU could do for themselves. Whether 6 teams make the tourney from the BE in a given year, or two do, what matters most for MU is how MU does..period.
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The basic point you are making is that we control our own destiny is always true.

However, being a member of a financially strong conference is critically important from the standpoint of competing for recruits at the highest levels. Recruits are filtered and sorted by their talent level. That sorting and filtering goes both ways. The recruits want to play at the highest level they can. The Big East is perceived by recruits ,and their families ,as a highly desirable conference. In fact , outside of the blue blood programs, Big East schools can consistently compete and sign  the top talent with every school out there. It is a fact kids want to play against quality competition in fancy facilities.

Hence, it is important that year in and year out Big East fields as many teams in the tournament and hopefully they do well. Villanova winning two National Championships helps every school in the conference not only with money but with perception at the recruiting level. Villanova is now getting the type of recruits it could only dream about in years past. The league as a whole is upping their recruiting profile as a result of Villanova success.

This Big East league success all feeds into the next TV contract. Very important to sustain a quality TV deal not only for financial reasons but for visibility. That also enables the schools to schedule in ways that are advantageous. Not only buy games but home and home with other quality schools.
Remember Big East does not have football, so it does need it is flagship sport ,Basketball, to be at the gold standard of college basketball. 

To see what happens when a conference as a whole does not succeed, look at the West Coast Conference. Their conference is academically similar to ours , faith based mid sized schools and they all have good endowments. The success has not been there consistently beyond Gonzaga, St.Marys and Brigham Young.  Hence sometimes they sometimes only get one bid for the conference. The lack of specific financial resources for facilities etc really hurts their image with recruits. Becomes a self fulfilling thing.
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« Reply #908 on: February 25, 2019, 08:07:57 PM »
Articulated extremely well Herman.  A rising tide lifts all ships

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« Reply #909 on: February 25, 2019, 09:02:25 PM »
Guru:
The basic point you are making is that we control our own destiny is always true.

However, being a member of a financially strong conference is critically important from the standpoint of competing for recruits at the highest levels. Recruits are filtered and sorted by their talent level. That sorting and filtering goes both ways. The recruits want to play at the highest level they can. The Big East is perceived by recruits ,and their families ,as a highly desirable conference. In fact , outside of the blue blood programs, Big East schools can consistently compete and sign  the top talent with every school out there. It is a fact kids want to play against quality competition in fancy facilities.

Hence, it is important that year in and year out Big East fields as many teams in the tournament and hopefully they do well. Villanova winning two National Championships helps every school in the conference not only with money but with perception at the recruiting level. Villanova is now getting the type of recruits it could only dream about in years past. The league as a whole is upping their recruiting profile as a result of Villanova success.

This Big East league success all feeds into the next TV contract. Very important to sustain a quality TV deal not only for financial reasons but for visibility. That also enables the schools to schedule in ways that are advantageous. Not only buy games but home and home with other quality schools.
Remember Big East does not have football, so it does need it is flagship sport ,Basketball, to be at the gold standard of college basketball. 

To see what happens when a conference as a whole does not succeed, look at the West Coast Conference. Their conference is academically similar to ours , faith based mid sized schools and they all have good endowments. The success has not been there consistently beyond Gonzaga, St.Marys and Brigham Young.  Hence sometimes they sometimes only get one bid for the conference. The lack of specific financial resources for facilities etc really hurts their image with recruits. Becomes a self fulfilling thing.

Here's the thing Herman...Why is Villanova pulling in those recruits?? I can 100% guarantee you it has a hell of a lot more to do with Nova winning 2 Natty's in the last three years then it does how good the BE is or isn't. If you are that good, kids want to come and play there regardless. You brought up the WCC...thanks you for bringing that up..Is Gonzaga hurt by the weakness of their conference?? They made the National Champ game, they have been(and are currently) ranked #1 in the country...they get top recruiting classes...They blow through that conference every single year...it hasn't stopped them from being one of the top teams in CBB has it?? If you're good, kids will play for you, it's that simple. Be good enough to compete for a National Championship year in and year out...you will get recruits, regardless of conference affiliation, TV contracts or anything else.

The BE, whether good or bad year in and year out, has little effect on Marquette's success going forward. You know what has the most effect on MU's success going forward?? They do. It's that simple. If they can sustain the level they are at now(and go higher) in the next few years, I guarantee you kids they never thought they could get will come play for MU...Why?? Because of how good THEY are, not how good or bad the conference is. In fact, a stronger conference can hurt MU...they could get kids MU would lose out on because they have been more successful then MU. MU raises it's own profile by their production on the court..and they will be just fine.
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« Reply #910 on: February 25, 2019, 09:14:04 PM »
It might be considered splitting hairs but I feel like you are missing the point.  A good or great Marquette team benefits from a strong conference in every way.  Of course their own performance will be the biggest determining factor.  But here we are, eyeing a possible runaway reg season BE title, and having conversations about hoping for a 2 seed if we win out AND win the BET.

 Sorry dude, conference performance matters.  Better opponents = more battle tested teams + better seeding = better odds of deep tourney runs = more opportunities for sustained success.  Point at Gonzaga all you want, they are an outlier. 

If this team is as good as we all think it is, I don't see how how it would be a disservice to them to have 3-5 more games against quality opponents before going into the time of year where 10 minutes of sloppiness ends your season.  Not to mention we'd be a 2 seed instead of a 3

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« Reply #911 on: February 25, 2019, 09:16:34 PM »
MU FF appearances in Beast: 0
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Why did we ever accept an invitation to a conference that has hurt our program.  Further, why aren't we still independent, we had far more success without a conference than we've had with one.

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« Reply #912 on: February 25, 2019, 09:33:09 PM »
It might be considered splitting hairs but I feel like you are missing the point.  A good or great Marquette team benefits from a strong conference in every way.  Of course their own performance will be the biggest determining factor.  But here we are, eyeing a possible runaway reg season BE title, and having conversations about hoping for a 2 seed if we win out AND win the BET.

 Sorry dude, conference performance matters.  Better opponents = more battle tested teams + better seeding = better odds of deep tourney runs = more opportunities for sustained success.  Point at Gonzaga all you want, they are an outlier. 

If this team is as good as we all think it is, I don't see how how it would be a disservice to them to have 3-5 more games against quality opponents before going into the time of year where 10 minutes of sloppiness ends your season.  Not to mention we'd be a 2 seed instead of a 3

MU would be a 2 seed right now had they just beaten Indiana..that has nothing to do with how good or bad the Big East has been this year. That's just reality. I have to point to Gonzaga, because they just keep doing it, year after year after year. That's more than just an outlier. Look at Houston this year...the American isn't a great conference, and Houston has rolled through it...yet here they are as a 3 seed, and quite possibly a 2 seed when it's all said and done. I'd say their conference hasn't effected them at all.

I get what you are saying to an extent, but I just don't think conference success has that big of an effect on MU going forward. MU's success is based simply on them..You really don't think that if MU was Nova and had won 2 of the last 3 Natty's, that because the Big East was down a little bit this year that top recruits would think twice about coming to MU?? Hell to the no. kids want to go where they will win more than anything else. Do kids go to Duke and UNC because of the ACC or because they are Duke and UNC?? The ACC could be trash every year and the top kids would still go to Duke and UNC, why?? Because they know that they have a legit shot to play for a Natty every single year.

If MU continues to go say 30-4 every year for the next three years as an example, but the BE isn't all that good, I assure you, MU will still be a 3-4 seed at worst every year and possibly a 2.

I have NEVER ever been one to complain about the non conference schedule like some do every year. That being said, if they think the BE is going to be down, then they need to schedule accordingly in the non conference to make up for that. I think we saw some of that this year honestly.
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« Reply #913 on: February 25, 2019, 09:40:12 PM »
MU would be a 2 seed right now had they just beaten Indiana..that has nothing to do with how good or bad the Big East has been this year. That's just reality. I have to point to Gonzaga, because they just keep doing it, year after year after year. That's more than just an outlier. Look at Houston this year...the American isn't a great conference, and Houston has rolled through it...yet here they are as a 3 seed, and quite possibly a 2 seed when it's all said and done. I'd say their conference hasn't effected them at all.

I get what you are saying to an extent, but I just don't think conference success has that big of an effect on MU going forward. MU's success is based simply on them..You really don't think that if MU was Nova and had won 2 of the last 3 Natty's, that because the Big East was down a little bit this year that top recruits would think twice about coming to MU?? Hell to the no. kids want to go where they will win more than anything else. Do kids go to Duke and UNC because of the ACC or because they are Duke and UNC?? The ACC could be trash every year and the top kids would still go to Duke and UNC, why?? Because they know that they have a legit shot to play for a Natty every single year.

If MU continues to go say 30-4 every year for the next three years as an example, but the BE isn't all that good, I assure you, MU will still be a 3-4 seed at worst every year and possibly a 2.

I have NEVER ever been one to complain about the non conference schedule like some do every year. That being said, if they think the BE is going to be down, then they need to schedule accordingly in the non conference to make up for that. I think we saw some of that this year honestly.

Theres a fault in your logic here. Yes, if we beat IU we could be a 2 seed, but if BE is better and we had same record plus IU win, we could be a 1 seed. Q1 wins matter.

Plus houston coach even had an interview where he talked about the challenges he faces recruiting because of the conference. I'll try to find it. Either way, it will be hard for them to maintain success year in and year out.

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« Reply #914 on: February 25, 2019, 10:08:33 PM »
Another factor, when you're the big (or only) dog in a conference, what happens when the coach leaves? What will Gonzaga be post-Few? Will it look like what happened when Memphis was the last titan standing in C-USA and Cal left? When you have a quality conference, it's easier to sustain that success because people are coming for the entire league.
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If MU continues to go say 30-4 every year for the next three years as an example, but the BE isn't all that good, I assure you, MU will still be a 3-4 seed at worst every year and possibly a 2.



If any team from the Big 10, Big 12, ACC or SEC goes 30-4 they'll be 1 seeds.

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« Reply #916 on: February 25, 2019, 11:02:37 PM »
Here's the thing Herman...Why is Villanova pulling in those recruits?? I can 100% guarantee you it has a hell of a lot more to do with Nova winning 2 Natty's in the last three years then it does how good the BE is or isn't. If you are that good, kids want to come and play there regardless. You brought up the WCC...thanks you for bringing that up..Is Gonzaga hurt by the weakness of their conference?? They made the National Champ game, they have been(and are currently) ranked #1 in the country...they get top recruiting classes...They blow through that conference every single year...it hasn't stopped them from being one of the top teams in CBB has it?? If you're good, kids will play for you, it's that simple. Be good enough to compete for a National Championship year in and year out...you will get recruits, regardless of conference affiliation, TV contracts or anything else.

The BE, whether good or bad year in and year out, has little effect on Marquette's success going forward. You know what has the most effect on MU's success going forward?? They do. It's that simple. If they can sustain the level they are at now(and go higher) in the next few years, I guarantee you kids they never thought they could get will come play for MU...Why?? Because of how good THEY are, not how good or bad the conference is. In fact, a stronger conference can hurt MU...they could get kids MU would lose out on because they have been more successful then MU. MU raises it's own profile by their production on the court..and they will be just fine.
Lets look at the Villanova case. Prior to the reincarnation of the Big East in its current form, the previous version of the Big East was considered to be the strongest conference in college basketball. It had the full backing of ESPN and an incredible history.  The key seniors and juniors on Villanova's 2015-2016 Championship team  were all recruited under the old Big East structure.

The league was able to come out of the box strong with lots of rated teams and tournament bids its first 5 years out of the box  which kept the momentum going. However, it should be pointed out that the prominent seniors  on the 2016-17 classes of Big East team that got 7 bids were recruited under the Old Big East Structure. The players Villanova are recruiting now that they earned a second national title are of a significantly higher profile than prior years. Those players are not going to play in a conference that is perceived to be of lesser quality. Hence, it is very important that the league itself maintain a strong foundation.

The non Villanova schools are all benefiting from the league being strong. Look at Xavier, they just lost their top tier coach, yet they were able to land a very big recruiting class for next year and are continuously involved with many top level players. Some of that is because Xavier has been a consistent winner. However,the other part is that they also offer kids a chance to play in a top tier conference.

The basic point I will agree with you on is that winning and getting in tournaments can lead to continue success and recruit interest. However, having a strong league , lots of financial resources and visibility make the path much easier for the entirety of the conference. A strong league is what enables teams to reload when they have an off year and not have to rebuild.

History and rivalries are what make conferences interesting to fans and Media. Where there is fan interest and excitement recruits follow. Big East keeps building in those areas. We are six years into the conference as currently constituted. We have done well as a league without MU and Georgetown tracking to their historical levels. MU is now back and Georgetown is on the way. Even DePaul has moved from wretched to solid mediocrity. Next year they may even be a mid tier team.

MU has to make the most of the chance it will have this year, hopefully Markus comes back next year and we will have another chance. I think if we win big this year, all the great local players we are looking at become realistic possibilities for signing.
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« Reply #917 on: February 26, 2019, 07:21:35 AM »
If any team from the Big 10, Big 12, ACC or SEC goes 30-4 they'll be 1 seeds.
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Lets look at the Villanova case. Prior to the reincarnation of the Big East in its current form, the previous version of the Big East was considered to be the strongest conference in college basketball. It had the full backing of ESPN and an incredible history.  The key seniors and juniors on Villanova's 2015-2016 Championship team  were all recruited under the old Big East structure.

The league was able to come out of the box strong with lots of rated teams and tournament bids its first 5 years out of the box  which kept the momentum going. However, it should be pointed out that the prominent seniors  on the 2016-17 classes of Big East team that got 7 bids were recruited under the Old Big East Structure. The players Villanova are recruiting now that they earned a second national title are of a significantly higher profile than prior years. Those players are not going to play in a conference that is perceived to be of lesser quality. Hence, it is very important that the league itself maintain a strong foundation.

The non Villanova schools are all benefiting from the league being strong. Look at Xavier, they just lost their top tier coach, yet they were able to land a very big recruiting class for next year and are continuously involved with many top level players. Some of that is because Xavier has been a consistent winner. However,the other part is that they also offer kids a chance to play in a top tier conference.

The basic point I will agree with you on is that winning and getting in tournaments can lead to continue success and recruit interest. However, having a strong league , lots of financial resources and visibility make the path much easier for the entirety of the conference. A strong league is what enables teams to reload when they have an off year and not have to rebuild.

History and rivalries are what make conferences interesting to fans and Media. Where there is fan interest and excitement recruits follow. Big East keeps building in those areas. We are six years into the conference as currently constituted. We have done well as a league without MU and Georgetown tracking to their historical levels. MU is now back and Georgetown is on the way. Even DePaul has moved from wretched to solid mediocrity. Next year they may even be a mid tier team.

MU has to make the most of the chance it will have this year, hopefully Markus comes back next year and we will have another chance. I think if we win big this year, all the great local players we are looking at become realistic possibilities for signing.

I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.

It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.
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« Reply #919 on: February 26, 2019, 08:07:39 AM »
I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.

It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.

Not the same at all, the bears or Vikings don't have to share the $$ they get for being successful with the packers. Additionally, if the whole division is top seeds in the NFL  there's no consideration for the last place team, whereas college that would help them get a look with those were their only losses.

That being said if it came down to MU knocking one of those teams out in the round of 32 so we could get a sweet 16 or that team knocking us out in the same round and they were a shoe in for the Final four I'd pick MU every time (see 2011 us vs cuse)
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« Reply #920 on: February 26, 2019, 08:19:38 AM »
I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.

It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.

Except the further our conference brethren go in the tournament, the more $ MU gets to spend on retaining coaching staff, facilities, recruiting, etc. It also makes it easier to recruit to a highly competitive conference.

Best case scenario is that MU & the entire BEast go undefeated in the non-con, MU goes undefeated in conference play, and MU wins the natty in an all-BEast final four

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« Reply #921 on: February 26, 2019, 08:52:08 AM »
I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.

It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.

As others have pointed out, NFL and NCAA basketball are very different because of $$$. But beyond that I want to address the bolded. How are conference brethern do in non-conference play has a HUGE impact on MU's seeding. We want every team in the Big East to go undefeated in non-conference play. If the other Big East teams had done better in the non-conference, we could be the #1 team in the nation right now instead of fighting to get into the top 10.

So you should always root for Big East teams in non-conference play because it helps Marquette. If you don't care about the money or prestige then you don't need to cheer for them in the tournament.
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« Reply #922 on: February 26, 2019, 09:43:41 AM »
I guess my point is, I want MU to make a deep run in the tourney every year, if they do, I could care less what the other BE teams do in the tourney. Unless it has a significant impact on MU in some way shape or form as far as the tourney goes(seeding etc), I will NEVER root for them. If in a given year MU happens to lose early in the tourney, I'm not going to take any solace in the fact that "well, at least Butler and Xavier are in the Sweet 16". No, screw them! I want the spotlight on MU.

It's like being a Packers fan as I am and rooting for the Bears or Vikings to do well because it makes the Division look better. Or being a Brewers fan and rooting for the Cubs or Cardinals. Most will say pro sports is different, but to me, no matter what, rooting for another team in your own division or conference is rooting for the enemy. I don't want to see them be successful at my teams expense.

As stated above, the NFL and NCAAB are very different situations, and for reasons they state are not comparable.

Also, no one here is saying the bolded part in your message.  MU is still priority #1.

Think of it this way.  If you are commuting to work on the interstate, your goal is to get to work on time or early.  You don't care if the other cars on the road get to their destination on time.  Also, as you mentioned, you have no solace if you are late but others make it on time.  You the commuter only care about you.  However, if everyone else is going slow or there is a traffic jam, it is going to affect what time you get to work.  Commuting to work in the city and NCAAB success both do not happen in a bubble.  While you control what time you leave for work, that you have a full tank of gas, you check traffic reports (just as MU recruits well, plays hard, practices well, etc) outside factors will affect you/MU. 

I know it's a weird analogy, but all we're saying is we want MU to do as well as possible, and a strong BE helps us do that, so we're going to support the BE right up to the point of where it might negatively affect us.


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« Reply #923 on: February 26, 2019, 11:31:39 AM »
Except the further our conference brethren go in the tournament, the more $ MU gets to spend on retaining coaching staff, facilities, recruiting, etc. It also makes it easier to recruit to a highly competitive conference.

Best case scenario is that MU & the entire BEast go undefeated in the non-con, MU goes undefeated in conference play, and MU wins the natty in an all-BEast final four

I don't think MU will ever have a problem spending on their BB program.
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« Reply #924 on: February 26, 2019, 01:05:47 PM »


Best case scenario is that MU & the entire BEast go undefeated in the non-con, MU goes undefeated in conference play, and MU wins the natty in an all-BEast final four
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