Big East Conference Results/ NCAA/NIT/CBI

[Cheeks]

One of the most over hyped, over rated teams in the country going into this year...I know everyone assumed a loss at SJU when MU played them, but now you see why that one sticks in my craw so much...they aren't, and never have been that good. Rothstein saying they had the best roster in the Big east was a joke at the time he said it...he beat that drum before the season too once Heron was deemed eligible...I simply tweeted back at him "Marquette says hi Jon". MU is the most talented team in the BE...not sure why so many couldn't see that.

Last few years SJU has grabbed some scalps, especially in NYC, including Duke last year.  Talent is there, teams can get hot.

We will lose again, these kids are not robots, we will lose some games we probably shouldn't and win some games we probably shouldn't. 

Sports...it happens.  Whether you think they were overhyped or not doesn't change the fact that ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can beat any other team in this league.

[Johnny B]

Last few years SJU has grabbed some scalps, especially in NYC, including Duke last year.  Talent is there, teams can get hot.

We will lose again, these kids are not robots, we will lose some games we probably shouldn't and win some games we probably shouldn't. 

Sports...it happens.  Whether you think they were overhyped or not doesn't change the fact that ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can beat any other team in this league.

I don't think there's a game on the schedule that we "should not" win but I get what you're saying

[muguru]

Last few years SJU has grabbed some scalps, especially in NYC, including Duke last year.  Talent is there, teams can get hot.

We will lose again, these kids are not robots, we will lose some games we probably shouldn't and win some games we probably shouldn't. 

Sports...it happens.  Whether you think they were overhyped or not doesn't change the fact that ANY TEAM IN THIS LEAGUE can beat any other team in this league.

I absolutely do NOT disagree with that at all...any team can beat any team...but this was a roster talent discussion...and MU has the most talented roster in the BE. Jon Rothstein said it was SJU, I NEVER agreed with that...always thought it was MU.

[brewcity77]

Seton Hall's trip to Villanova today:

[Cheeks]

I absolutely do NOT disagree with that at all...any team can beat any team...but this was a roster talent discussion...and MU has the most talented roster in the BE. Jon Rothstein said it was SJU, I NEVER agreed with that...always thought it was MU.

Sorry, disagree.  Villanova has the most talent, they are just young.

[Herman Cain]

Big East Net Rankings as  of games Saturday January 26. Not much changed.

New Old

19   19   Marquette   
21   23   Villanova   
39   39   St. John's
50   52   Butler   
57   58   Creighton   
60   56   Seton Hall   
72   72   Providence   
86   86   Xavier   
99   97   DePaul   
109   105   Georgetown   

[PGsHeroes32]

Sorry, disagree.  Villanova has the most talent, they are just young.

Booth and Pascall are both 5 year players lmao.

And they are far and away the two best players

[Herman Cain]

Looking at the Big East standings and it is so great that we are in the group with 7 wins and not in that pack with 3 wins.  Have to keep battling each possession.

[muguru]

Sorry, disagree.  Villanova has the most talent, they are just young.

You would be incorrect

[JWags85]

One of the most over hyped, over rated teams in the country going into this year...I know everyone assumed a loss at SJU when MU played them, but now you see why that one sticks in my craw so much...they aren't, and never have been that good. Rothstein saying they had the best roster in the Big east was a joke at the time he said it...he beat that drum before the season too once Heron was deemed eligible...I simply tweeted back at him "Marquette says hi Jon". MU is the most talented team in the BE...not sure why so many couldn't see that.

That loss was annoying but doesn't bother me much. They likely beat one of the Nova championship teams that night if Nova wasn't at their top. They flat out didn't miss a critical shot and had mediocre shooters raining bombs

[Loose Cannon]

EDIT: Yeah...wrote this earlier and posted it now. Well documented that the Johnnies are in trouble. Feeling a bit more confident about my 7th place prediction for them now.

Yep, if I remember correctly you were one of the first to call it.  you're looking good.

[Cheeks]

You would be incorrect

They have two super seniors that are studs.  A 5 star freshman, along with several 4 star kids.  Raw talent, I'm going with Nova.  On defense they have shut down the elite players in this league which is frightening.  Absolutely smothered them.

[Lennys Tap]

Booth and Pascall are both 5 year players lmao.

And they are far and away the two best players

Villanova starts 2 5th year seniors, 2 sophomores, and 1 freshman. 6th man is a senior. One was rsci top 100 - Booth, #84

MU starts 1 4th year junior, 2 juniors, a sophomore and a freshman. 6th man is a senior. Four were rsci top 100 - J Hauser #57, Howard #71 (higher but for a late reclassification), Morrow #85 and S Hauser #94.

Looking at contributors, they are older and less talented.

They do have young talent farther down the bench - their 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th men were ranked 45th, 39th, 29th and 52nd. Only Matt Heldt (#96) was top 100 from the end of our bench. Maybe some of this young talent will emerge for Villanova down the stretch - but so far, not so much.

[LloydsLegs]

Villanova starts 2 5th year seniors, 2 sophomores, and 1 freshman. 6th man is a senior. One was rsci top 100 - Booth, #84

MU starts 1 4th year junior, 2 juniors, a sophomore and a freshman. 6th man is a senior. Four were rsci top 100 - J Hauser #57, Howard #71 (higher but for a late reclassification), Morrow #85 and S Hauser #94.

Looking at contributors, they are older and less talented.

They do have young talent farther down the bench - their 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th men were ranked 45th, 39th, 29th and 52nd. Only Matt Heldt (#96) was top 100 from the end of our bench. Maybe some of this young talent will emerge for Villanova down the stretch - but so far, not so much.

I was talking about this earlier today-odd thing about Nova roster—no juniors

[MomofMUltiples]

Heck, we're down to one senior in our class (plus our grad xfer) out of an incoming class of 5.  It happens.

Also, Nova has the number 2 recruiting class in the country for 2019.  They just keep reloading, so we gotta do the same.

[Herman Cain]

Coach Willard is getting nervous.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/seton-hall-gets-annihilated-in-its-biggest-test/

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I'll admit I was wrong about this year's BE.  I thought there would be 6 teams clumped between 9 and 12 wins, with the bottom 4 clumped between 5 and 7 wins.

Marquette and Villanova have clearly separated from the pack.  The rest of the teams are a hot mess.  It will be interesting to see the rest of the season play out.

[CTWarrior]

Mullins really doesn't control that team.

Down 2, run a press, get a TO, Ponds gets it and immediately tries a behind the back pass while on the floor, OOB to GT.  Immediately after, they trap on the other end of the floor, force another TO, Figueora forces up a leaning, off balance transition 3, missed, 2 more wild putback attempts with the ENTIRE team crashing the glass so a simple rebound and pass leads to a 3 on 0 break and McClung dunks it.  Next possession another quick and wild shot leads to another 2 on 1 break and a layup.

They have a very athletic team and Ponds is excellent, but if they aren't shooting really well, they have no clue what to do.

To be fair, on that play they were out of time outs.  He couldn't get up and he had to do something.  A bad outcome was somewhat likely there.

[Cheeks]

Villanova starts 2 5th year seniors, 2 sophomores, and 1 freshman. 6th man is a senior. One was rsci top 100 - Booth, #84

MU starts 1 4th year junior, 2 juniors, a sophomore and a freshman. 6th man is a senior. Four were rsci top 100 - J Hauser #57, Howard #71 (higher but for a late reclassification), Morrow #85 and S Hauser #94.

Looking at contributors, they are older and less talented.

They do have young talent farther down the bench - their 7th, 8th, 9th and 11th men were ranked 45th, 39th, 29th and 52nd. Only Matt Heldt (#96) was top 100 from the end of our bench. Maybe some of this young talent will emerge for Villanova down the stretch - but so far, not so much.

Do you consider Paschall a worse player than Morrow despite Morrow being a top 100 RSCI player?  For that matter, do you think Morrow and Booth are essentially equal as their rating implies?

In terms of total talent, Nova has more but it is young, as you state.  Our big 3 are up there, then throw in Theo as a rising star, but Nova has more of it dispersed throughout in my opinion.

[Cheeks]

Coach Willard is getting nervous.
https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/seton-hall-gets-annihilated-in-its-biggest-test/

Nova is going to be a defensive challenge for us.  I worry very much about our backcourt in those games.

[KampusFoods]

Got a kick out of the Xavier message board.

"I still say there's no reason we can't win the Crappy 8 this year. We should cut the nets on senior day and raise a banner if we do it, too."

"With a win yesterday, Xavier could have been alone in first in the Crappy Eight. Instead, we've fallen into a four way tie for last, a half half game out of first. It's going to be an interesting race all year long in the Crappy Eight. "



I am very happy to be in the non-crappy 2.

[Herman Cain]

Nova is going to be a defensive challenge for us.  I worry very much about our backcourt in those games.

As long as the kids don't try to force things to happen and let the game come to them they will be fine. It is the hero ball that Nova traditionally exploits and leads to fast breaks etc. I think we will see a couple of runs  of that large lineup that we saw at Georgetown, the one that was Theo, Sam , Joey, Bailey and Sacar. 

[Goose]

KampusFoods

At this moment, I am not worried about playing anyone in the Crappy 8. I am not even that worried about playing 'Nova two times over next couple of weeks. I really wish they had two real solid NC games over next couple of weeks to see how they fare against other teams ranked in the top 15. Since we don't, I hope we get the best that 'Nova has to offer two times and see what happens.

[Herman Cain]

KampusFoods

At this moment, I am not worried about playing anyone in the Crappy 8. I am not even that worried about playing 'Nova two times over next couple of weeks. I really wish they had two real solid NC games over next couple of weeks to see how they fare against other teams ranked in the top 15. Since we don't, I hope we get the best that 'Nova has to offer two times and see what happens.

I have felt for some time we can control our own destiny by virtue of the fact that every game we play is realistically winnable. We have to stay focused on the Crappy 8 teams  as those guys are going to be gunning for us. They have the potential to really screw up any potential good seeding we have.

[We R Final Four]

Nova is going to be a defensive challenge for us.  I worry very much about our backcourt in those games.

Agreed.