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Poll

If Markus continues to put up 30 and 40 point games, and stays in the conversation for NPOY, do you expect Markus to return for his senior year?

Yes, 80-100% certain he will return.
218 (50.6%)
Probably, 60-80%
149 (34.6%)
Maybe, 40-60%
42 (9.7%)
Probably not, 20-40%
16 (3.7%)
No, 0-20%.  He is ready for the league.
6 (1.4%)

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #50 on: December 25, 2018, 10:59:06 AM »
I think it is straight forward . If Markus is consistently on the mock drafts as a first rounder he will go. Right now he is not even on many mock draft boards at all.

I followed the mock draft board below closely during Henry’s season and it ended up pretty accurately predicting where he went. Markus is not listed in the top 100.

https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/
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Will keep an eye on this for changes.

I agree with this. If he is on the board he probably goes and I would wish him all the best.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #51 on: December 25, 2018, 11:38:43 AM »
Oh, no!  Markus is going to be a grad transfer!

As smart as he is, I doubt that he would have the capacity time-wise to graduate in 3 years

Jalen Brunson just did it.  Classes in summer help.  I expect Marcus to stay, have enough credits to graduate in a December if he chooses to,  and then take graduate level courses at MU.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #52 on: December 25, 2018, 02:53:19 PM »
Trent Lockett also did it at ASU

Difference is Markus has not been loading up.on summer classes. Before his first season he played for Team USA in the summer and last year he went home I believe.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #53 on: December 25, 2018, 03:51:02 PM »
Trent Lockett also did it at ASU

Difference is Markus has not been loading up.on summer classes. Before his first season he played for Team USA in the summer and last year he went home I believe.
I believe he has only been on campus for Summer Session 2 for each of his 3 summers.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #54 on: December 26, 2018, 08:36:29 AM »
I do not believe that last year at this time Donte DiVincenzo had any thoughts about leaving early. I think Markus is in a similar predicament. If he has a tournament run like Donte, he's gone.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2018, 08:39:59 AM »
I do not believe that last year at this time Donte DiVincenzo had any thoughts about leaving early. I think Markus is in a similar predicament. If he has a tournament run like Donte, he's gone.

I sincerely hope he has that kind of tournament run.

I would gladly trade a fourth year of Markus for a second NCAA title!
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #56 on: December 26, 2018, 08:40:49 AM »
I do not believe that last year at this time Donte DiVincenzo had any thoughts about leaving early. I think Markus is in a similar predicament. If he has a tournament run like Donte, he's gone.

DD had NBA build though, if Howard was taller or had a handle and speed of Nate Robinson, Mugsy or Isaiah Thomas he'd be gone by now. I think it would take increases his offensive efficiency to that of his freshman year again to get him to the first round which is the only reason to leave early anyways.
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2018, 08:55:34 AM »
DD had NBA build though, if Howard was taller or had a handle and speed of Nate Robinson, Mugsy or Isaiah Thomas he'd be gone by now. I think it would take increases his offensive efficiency to that of his freshman year again to get him to the first round which is the only reason to leave early anyways.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #58 on: December 26, 2018, 09:45:36 AM »
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #59 on: December 26, 2018, 09:51:35 AM »
Current mock drafts....2019 nothing.


ESPN. MH not in top 100, but Sam Hauser is 98th for 2019.  Hauser projected 50th in 2020, Howard 60th in 2020.

NBA Draft.net has MH has 54th player selected in 2020 draft




His profile by one service with links within to others.

 https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/markus-howard-scouting-report


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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #60 on: December 26, 2018, 09:59:43 AM »
I'd say there is about a 1% chance Markus leaves Sam and Joey before he's supposed to. That being said, if they win a National Championship this year...that may change things, otherwise, that's his goal I believe.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2018, 11:29:09 AM »


Need to have these private conversations at home 8-)

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2018, 11:39:53 AM »
Say what you will about how he fits in the NBA etc, but if Ethan Happ stayed at UW, Markus will stay at MU. Happ, perhaps much like Markus, probably realizes the NBA is a long shot with his skill set, so might as well stay in school.
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2018, 12:03:26 PM »
I do not believe that last year at this time Donte DiVincenzo had any thoughts about leaving early. I think Markus is in a similar predicament. If he has a tournament run like Donte, he's gone.

So barring a ncaa title run where he lights the nets and before that grows to 6’4” with NBA athleticism we are good?
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2018, 07:51:02 PM »
Um, no. Nothing about growth spurts. But if we have a deep tourney run - like Villanova last year - and Markus has a good tourney along the way - like Donte did - he will make a move up the draft boards. The only way we would get that far is if he shows NBA athleticism. I'm not sure Donte showed NBA athleticism - certainly not prior to the tourney - to warrant such a high draft pick.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #65 on: December 27, 2018, 12:12:04 PM »
It is going to come down to draft projections, as many others here have mentioned. It will have nothing to do with loyalty, Wojo, Markus' intelligence, a degree, Marquette University, the potential for a "special season" next year, or any other of the ridiculous things mentioned by others. It is a business decision.

if Markus is projected to go in the first round after this season, he will almost certainly go. If he is projected to go in the 2nd round, I'd say its 50/50. If he isn't projected to be drafted he will return.

This is why I said earlier in this thread I think it is better than 50/50 he stays. Most NBA scouts do not see him being drafted in 2019.
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2018, 12:19:24 PM »
It is going to come down to draft projections, as many others here have mentioned. It will have nothing to do with loyalty, Wojo, Markus' intelligence, a degree, Marquette University, the potential for a "special season" next year, or any other of the ridiculous things mentioned by others. It is a business decision.

if Markus is projected to go in the first round after this season, he will almost certainly go. If he is projected to go in the 2nd round, I'd say its 50/50. If he isn't projected to be drafted he will return.

This is why I said earlier in this thread I think it is better than 50/50 he stays. Most NBA scouts do not see him being drafted in 2019.

As badly as I executed it, that was the point I was trying to make when I called Markus "very bright".

Vander was on few, if any draft boards as a pick.  Notwithstanding the other factors I mentioned, Markus is too smart to give up his college eligibility if his chances of getting drafted are slim.
Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2018, 12:20:12 PM »
As badly as I executed it, that was the point I was trying to make when I called Markus "very bright".

Vander was on few, if any draft boards as a pick.  Notwithstanding the other factors I mentioned, Markus is too smart to give up his college eligibility if his chances of getting drafted are slim.

Fair enough. I can see your original meaning, although I agree on the execution. Not to re-litigate the past, but I  do agree that Vander's decision was in spite of the reality of most draft boards at the time. I guess I'm still just touchy about the amount of heat a 21 year old kid took on this board. It didn't reflect very well on Scoop.
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #68 on: December 27, 2018, 12:57:27 PM »
As badly as I executed it, that was the point I was trying to make when I called Markus "very bright".

Vander was on few, if any draft boards as a pick.  Notwithstanding the other factors I mentioned, Markus is too smart to give up his college eligibility if his chances of getting drafted are slim.

Agreed, but your assumption here is that Markus' chances of getting drafted will be slim at year end.

Compare him to Isaiah Thomas from Washington. He was 5'8" and left early after a junior year of a 113 ORtg, 51.7 % eFG, 35% 3FG, 72% FT, 32.7% ARate, 18.9% TORate. He was drafted last pick and put up some all star years before getting injured.

Markus is 5'11" and currently at 115.7 ORtg, 52.9% eFG, 40% 3FG, 91% FT, 28.9% ARate, 16.6% TORate. So comparable/better numbers, with one major difference: Markus is 2 full years younger than Isaiah Thomas was as a junior, and the NBA loves youth.

If he continues to average 25ppg with those efficiency numbers and we remain ranked high, win the BEast, and make a tourney run, I guarantee you will see him pop up on draft boards that he is not currently on. Ultimately he has an advantage over Vander with the new ability to declare and get better feedback with a longer time frame to return if you don't like what you hear. And as a very bright person, I have no doubt he will gather as much information as possible then ultimately make the best decision for his career.

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2018, 01:06:43 PM »
As badly as I executed it, that was the point I was trying to make when I called Markus "very bright".

Vander was on few, if any draft boards as a pick.  Notwithstanding the other factors I mentioned, Markus is too smart to give up his college eligibility if his chances of getting drafted are slim.

But hè no longer has to give up his eligibility if not drafted.......

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/08/college-basketball-ncaa-rules-agents-explanation-nba-draft-undrafted-players-fbi

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2018, 01:07:13 PM »
Agreed, but your assumption here is that Markus' chances of getting drafted will be slim at year end.

Compare him to Isaiah Thomas from Washington. He was 5'8" and left early after a junior year of a 113 ORtg, 51.7 % eFG, 35% 3FG, 72% FT, 32.7% ARate, 18.9% TORate. He was drafted last pick and put up some all star years before getting injured.

Markus is 5'11" and currently at 115.7 ORtg, 52.9% eFG, 40% 3FG, 91% FT, 28.9% ARate, 16.6% TORate. So comparable/better numbers, with one major difference: Markus is 2 full years younger than Isaiah Thomas was as a junior, and the NBA loves youth.

If he continues to average 25ppg with those efficiency numbers and we remain ranked high, win the BEast, and make a tourney run, I guarantee you will see him pop up on draft boards that he is not currently on. Ultimately he has an advantage over Vander with the new ability to declare and get better feedback with a longer time frame to return if you don't like what you hear. And as a very bright person, I have no doubt he will gather as much information as possible then ultimately make the best decision for his career.

What are the NBA guys saying, does he have a chance to be drafted after this season?
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2018, 01:08:02 PM »
But hè no longer has to give up his eligibility if not drafted.......

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/08/college-basketball-ncaa-rules-agents-explanation-nba-draft-undrafted-players-fbi

Great outcome for him.  Is this part of the Rice Commission?
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #72 on: December 27, 2018, 01:17:24 PM »
What are the NBA guys saying, does he have a chance to be drafted after this season?

Interesting question! Why don't you log off as WarriorDad and respond to your own post as Cheeks with the NBA guys' opinions you already promised us?

Also, it does not matter what they think now. It matters what they think at the end of the season. Markus has plenty of chances to keep putting up wow-factor performances (he's already done it to two teams ranked in the mid teens).

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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #73 on: December 27, 2018, 01:39:26 PM »
It is going to come down to draft projections, as many others here have mentioned. It will have nothing to do with loyalty, Wojo, Markus' intelligence, a degree, Marquette University, the potential for a "special season" next year, or any other of the ridiculous things mentioned by others. It is a business decision.

if Markus is projected to go in the first round after this season, he will almost certainly go. If he is projected to go in the 2nd round, I'd say its 50/50. If he isn't projected to be drafted he will return.

This is why I said earlier in this thread I think it is better than 50/50 he stays. Most NBA scouts do not see him being drafted in 2019.

Agree with this.

Agreed, but your assumption here is that Markus' chances of getting drafted will be slim at year end.

Compare him to Isaiah Thomas from Washington. He was 5'8" and left early after a junior year of a 113 ORtg, 51.7 % eFG, 35% 3FG, 72% FT, 32.7% ARate, 18.9% TORate. He was drafted last pick and put up some all star years before getting injured.

Markus is 5'11" and currently at 115.7 ORtg, 52.9% eFG, 40% 3FG, 91% FT, 28.9% ARate, 16.6% TORate. So comparable/better numbers, with one major difference: Markus is 2 full years younger than Isaiah Thomas was as a junior, and the NBA loves youth.

If he continues to average 25ppg with those efficiency numbers and we remain ranked high, win the BEast, and make a tourney run, I guarantee you will see him pop up on draft boards that he is not currently on. Ultimately he has an advantage over Vander with the new ability to declare and get better feedback with a longer time frame to return if you don't like what you hear. And as a very bright person, I have no doubt he will gather as much information as possible then ultimately make the best decision for his career.

And this.

What NBA scouts might or might not be saying now matters little. What will they be saying 3 months from now?

Markus will -- and absolutely should -- make the decision that is best for Markus.
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Re: Do you expect Markus back for his senior year?
« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2018, 01:45:27 PM »
Um, no. Nothing about growth spurts. But if we have a deep tourney run - like Villanova last year - and Markus has a good tourney along the way - like Donte did - he will make a move up the draft boards. The only way we would get that far is if he shows NBA athleticism. I'm not sure Donte showed NBA athleticism - certainly not prior to the tourney - to warrant such a high draft pick.

Well his nickname was "the Michael Jordan of Delaware."