Fire Gard

[NorthernDancerColt]

If you would take off your blue and gold glasses or get over your hatred for anything badgers, you would realize that he is a very good coach.  His ability to get his teams to defend year in and year out at a high level without fouling is top notch.  Good thing he can't recruit worth a lick.

Who cares?

[BM1090]

If you would take off your blue and gold glasses or get over your hatred for anything badgers, you would realize that he is a very good coach.  His ability to get his teams to defend year in and year out at a high level without fouling is top notch.  Good thing he can't recruit worth a lick.

Wisconsin was 66th in defense last year.

We're 57th this year and our fans say we suck.

[Newsdreams]

If you would take off your blue and gold glasses or get over your hatred for anything badgers, you would realize that he is a very good coach.  His ability to get his teams to defend year in and year out at a high level without fouling is top notch.  Good thing he can't recruit worth a lick.

Nothing to do with my glasses if he was a very good coach why has he not been able to kick Wojo's butt??

[CleanishProgram]

Nothing to do with my glasses if he was a very good coach why has he not been able to kick Wojo's butt??

Careful, don't jinx us with that crap!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think it's too early to say Gard is amazing or Gard sucs at this point. Did well with Bo's players, did poor in first year without them, though understandable with two key injuries. This season the win at Xavier was impressive. Beating Stanford and Oklahoma is not. Losing to Virginia is more than acceptable. 3 of their next 4 (NCST, @IOWA, @MU) will tell us a lot more about them.

[brewcity77]

Wisconsin was 66th in defense last year.

We're 57th this year and our fans say we suck.

No we aren't. Pomeroy's offensive and defensive efficiency numbers won't be fully accurate until mid-January. Right now those are mostly projections based on past performance and roster makeup. Honestly, we're probably better than that (but far worse than 22nd in offensive efficiency).

[Lennys Tap]

Do some research and let me know.

I only went back 2 years and this is simple arithmetic, not true statistical analysis but here is what I found:

Virginia lost 14 games in the past two years. In 9 of those games they lost leads of 6 points or more. They led in all 14 games and their largest leads were: 2,3,3,3,4,6,7,8,9,9,10,12,13 and 14.

Average lead lost: 7.4 points

Kansas and Duke lost a combined 30 games the past 2 years. In none of those games did either team have a 20 point lead. The largest leads were:
0,0,0,1,1,1,2,3,3,3,4,4,5,6,6,6,7,9,9,9,10,10,10,11,12,12,12,13,14,15.

Average lead lost: 6.6 points

My gut still tells me that given the difference in tempo that a 6 point lead in a game involving UVA is slightly larger than a 6 point lead in a game involving Kansas or Duke, but 6 to 20 is considerably off.

[avid1010]

Wisconsin only scored 18 points in its first half against #5 Virginia. Clearly this program is trash and garbage and will never be good again so WI should just fire Gard now and let the players coach themselves for the rest of the season.

your posts...along with wade's...are just as ignorant as anyone who is only looking at a handful of games when calling for wojo to be fired.  we can certainly talk about who inherited what...but at some point (4-5 years) you have achievement levels that need to be met.  so while you want to act like it's a handful of games and knee-jerk reactions from fans...here is what the rest of the world is looking at.  the vast majority on this thread have already stated wojo should keep his job if MU makes the NCAA tourney.   do you have a problem with that?

WOJO
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Marquette Golden Eagles (Big East Conference) (2014–present)
2014–15   Marquette   13–19   4–14   T–9th   
2015–16   Marquette   20–13   8–10   7th   
2016–17   Marquette   19–13   10–8   T–3rd   NCAA Division I First Round
2017–18   Marquette   21–14   9–9   T–6th   NIT Quarterfinal
2018–19   Marquette   4–2   0–0      
Marquette:   77–61 (.558)   31–41 (.431)   
Total:   77–61 (.558)   

GARD
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Wisconsin Badgers (Big Ten Conference) (2015–present)
2015–16   Wisconsin   15–8   12–6   T–3rd   NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2016–17   Wisconsin   27–10   12–6   T–2nd   NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2017–18   Wisconsin   15–18   7–11   9th   
2018–19   Wisconsin   5–1   0–0      
Wisconsin:   62–37 (.626)   31–23 (.574)   
Total:   62–37 (.626)   

[Floorslapper]

your posts...along with wade's...are just as ignorant as anyone who is only looking at a handful of games when calling for wojo to be fired.  we can certainly talk about who inherited what...but at some point (4-5 years) you have achievement levels that need to be met.  so while you want to act like it's a handful of games and knee-jerk reactions from fans...here is what the rest of the world is looking at.  the vast majority on this thread have already stated wojo should keep his job if MU makes the NCAA tourney.   do you have a problem with that?

WOJO
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Marquette Golden Eagles (Big East Conference) (2014–present)
2014–15   Marquette   13–19   4–14   T–9th   
2015–16   Marquette   20–13   8–10   7th   
2016–17   Marquette   19–13   10–8   T–3rd   NCAA Division I First Round
2017–18   Marquette   21–14   9–9   T–6th   NIT Quarterfinal
2018–19   Marquette   4–2   0–0      
Marquette:   77–61 (.558)   31–41 (.431)   
Total:   77–61 (.558)   

GARD
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Wisconsin Badgers (Big Ten Conference) (2015–present)
2015–16   Wisconsin   15–8   12–6   T–3rd   NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2016–17   Wisconsin   27–10   12–6   T–2nd   NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2017–18   Wisconsin   15–18   7–11   9th   
2018–19   Wisconsin   5–1   0–0      
Wisconsin:   62–37 (.626)   31–23 (.574)   
Total:   62–37 (.626)

Very well said.  Sadly, the above IS the reality.  And WI is ranked 12 in Pomeroy this year.

I do find it incredibly funny that Wojo's biggest fans here said he was handicapped his first few years because he "didn't have all his guys," yet for Gard it's because he had all Bo Ryan's players he was successful. 

[Galway Eagle]

your posts...along with wade's...are just as ignorant as anyone who is only looking at a handful of games when calling for wojo to be fired.  we can certainly talk about who inherited what...but at some point (4-5 years) you have achievement levels that need to be met.  so while you want to act like it's a handful of games and knee-jerk reactions from fans...here is what the rest of the world is looking at.  the vast majority on this thread have already stated wojo should keep his job if MU makes the NCAA tourney.   do you have a problem with that?

WOJO
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Marquette Golden Eagles (Big East Conference) (2014–present)
2014–15   Marquette   13–19   4–14   T–9th   
2015–16   Marquette   20–13   8–10   7th   
2016–17   Marquette   19–13   10–8   T–3rd   NCAA Division I First Round
2017–18   Marquette   21–14   9–9   T–6th   NIT Quarterfinal
2018–19   Marquette   4–2   0–0      
Marquette:   77–61 (.558)   31–41 (.431)   
Total:   77–61 (.558)   

GARD
Season   Team   Overall   Conference   Standing   Postseason
Wisconsin Badgers (Big Ten Conference) (2015–present)
2015–16   Wisconsin   15–8   12–6   T–3rd   NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2016–17   Wisconsin   27–10   12–6   T–2nd   NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2017–18   Wisconsin   15–18   7–11   9th   
2018–19   Wisconsin   5–1   0–0      
Wisconsin:   62–37 (.626)   31–23 (.574)   
Total:   62–37 (.626)

It's crazy to think how razor thin the BE has been that we were one game out from third last year and I believe one game out from 5th(?) three years ago. I honestly think that's why wojos seat isn't hot yet. Results have been underwhelming but it's quite literally a couple inches or seconds from being ice cold.

[wadesworld]

Very well said.  Sadly, the above IS the reality.  And WI is ranked 12 in Pomeroy this year.

I do find it incredibly funny that Wojo's biggest fans here said he was handicapped his first few years because he "didn't have all his guys," yet for Gard it's because he had all Bo Ryan's players he was successful.

If Bazz's guys left behind were All Conference players he would've been just fine.

But hey, keep telling yourself that what Wojo was left with was comparable to what Gard was left behind.  You certainly do have some kind of special basketball knowledge if that's the case!

[Herman Cain]

If Bazz's guys left behind were All Conference players he would've been just fine.

But hey, keep telling yourself that what Wojo was left with was comparable to what Gard was left behind.  You certainly do have some kind of special basketball knowledge if that's the case!

An example presenting playing in the NBA of the talent Buzz left behind...
https://newsok.com/gallery/articleid/5615945

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

An example presenting playing in the NBA of the talent Buzz left behind...
https://newsok.com/gallery/articleid/5615945

That Wojo had little to no chance to keep because of factors outside of anyone's control.

[Floorslapper]

If Bazz's guys left behind were All Conference players he would've been just fine.

But hey, keep telling yourself that what Wojo was left with was comparable to what Gard was left behind.  You certainly do have some kind of special basketball knowledge if that's the case!

You amuse me (and a growing number of posters here daily Wades.)  You should really take your schtick to the Dodds board.  You and Dodds can riff new rationale and excuses as to why we've yet to be able to achieve anything of consequence under Steve.

Why haven't you responded to my question I've posed to you a number of times?  Does MU make the Sweet 16 this year?

Afraid to go on record?  Or, the real reason:  Because you have zero confidence we will in Year 5 of Wonder Boy's regime (with 2 potential All Conference players)?


 

[Floorslapper]

That Wojo had little to no chance to keep because of factors outside of anyone's control.

Just to set this straight for once and for all:  What Deonte told the media and told his friends privately at the time are two very different things.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Just to set this straight for once and for all:  What Deonte told the media and told his friends privately at the time are two very different things.

Yeah,  I'm going to stand by my original statement.

I'm curious,  is this you claiming that you are also friends with Deontes friends?

[79Warrior]

Just to set this straight for once and for all:  What Deonte told the media and told his friends privately at the time are two very different things.

What evidence do you have to set this straight?

[MomofMUltiples]

Good Lord, people!  Can nobody (except Tower and Chick) detect sarcasm without Teal around here?

[wadesworld]

You amuse me (and a growing number of posters here daily Wades.)  You should really take your schtick to the Dodds board.  You and Dodds can riff new rationale and excuses as to why we've yet to be able to achieve anything of consequence under Steve.

Why haven't you responded to my question I've posed to you a number of times?  Does MU make the Sweet 16 this year?

Afraid to go on record?  Or, the real reason:  Because you have zero confidence we will in Year 5 of Wonder Boy's regime (with 2 potential All Conference players)?

So you genuinely believe that every coach in the country walks into equally difficult (or easy) situations?  If Wojo was left with Hayes, Koenig, and Happ he would've missed the NIT, and if Gard was left with Juan and Derrick as his best upperclassmen he would've been in the S16.

Hysterical stuff Ners.  Like I said, you definitely got some super secret knowledge from that Minoqua North coach of yours.  Guy must be Stew Morrill level legendary.

Why don't I respond to whether MU makes the S16 this year?  I already did.  I wouldn't bet on Duke making the S16, let alone Marquette.  I know you're all in on concluding seasons after 5 games, but I never stepped foot on a basketball court before so I don't know how to properly compare Magic Johnson and John Dawson.  If I can't do that, I'm not sure how I could possibly project how far we dance in November.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Who cares?

[tower912]

Good Lord, people!  Can nobody (except Tower and Chick) detect sarcasm without Teal around here?

I'm honored?

[Floorslapper]

Yeah,  I'm going to stand by my original statement.

I'm curious,  is this you claiming that you are also friends with Deontes friends?

Yes.

What evidence do you have to set this straight?

I have it in writing.

Deonte is pure class.  He wasn't going to publicly throw Wojo under the bus.  Most kids don't when they transfer out.

Deonte had major expectations going into his sophomore year, and thought he was going to be a focal point.

Wojo never started the kid.  NEVER.  Deonte was clearly the most talented/best  player on that team.  Funny, Paul George thinks Deonte is very talented.  And to some of the Elitist Intelligencia here who laughed at the notion of Deonte playing in the NBA...yet another Ners prediction that came true.

https://okcthunderwire.usatoday.com/2018/11/24/oklahoma-city-thunder-paul-george-deonte-burton-talented-two-way-contract/

[GGGG]

Yes.

I have it in writing.

Deonte is pure class.  He wasn't going to publicly throw Wojo under the bus.  Most kids don't when they transfer out.

Deonte had major expectations going into his sophomore year, and thought he was going to be a focal point.

Wojo never started the kid.  NEVER.  Deonte was clearly the most talented/best  player on that team.  Funny, Paul George thinks Deonte is very talented.  And to some of the Elitist Intelligencia here who laughed at the notion of Deonte playing in the NBA...yet another Ners prediction that came true.

https://okcthunderwire.usatoday.com/2018/11/24/oklahoma-city-thunder-paul-george-deonte-burton-talented-two-way-contract/

Just remember that "NEVER" was a grand total of eight games.

As regarding your predictions, is Dirk still quaking in his high-tops at the thought of guarding Davonte Gardner?  But seriously, a number of people said that he would get a good look by an NBA team but had to improve his shot to stick. 

[wadesworld]

Yes.

I have it in writing.

Deonte is pure class.  He wasn't going to publicly throw Wojo under the bus.  Most kids don't when they transfer out.

Deonte had major expectations going into his sophomore year, and thought he was going to be a focal point.

Wojo never started the kid.  NEVER.  Deonte was clearly the most talented/best  player on that team.  Funny, Paul George thinks Deonte is very talented.  And to some of the Elitist Intelligencia here who laughed at the notion of Deonte playing in the NBA...yet another Ners prediction that came true.

https://okcthunderwire.usatoday.com/2018/11/24/oklahoma-city-thunder-paul-george-deonte-burton-talented-two-way-contract/

Wait...what?  I thought only Ners had set foot on a hardwood floor in his life?

[avid1010]

So you genuinely believe that every coach in the country walks into equally difficult (or easy) situations?  If Wojo was left with Hayes, Koenig, and Happ he would've missed the NIT, and if Gard was left with Juan and Derrick as his best upperclassmen he would've been in the S16.

Why don't I respond to whether MU makes the S16 this year?  I already did.  I wouldn't bet on Duke making the S16, let alone Marquette.  I know you're all in on concluding seasons after 5 games, but I never stepped foot on a basketball court before so I don't know how to properly compare Magic Johnson and John Dawson.  If I can't do that, I'm not sure how I could possibly project how far we dance in November.

No one compared him to Gard other than the person that started this post...who then reference teal...after complaining about a poll I put up that asked what one felt Wojo had to accomplish this year to keep his job.  Then suddenly we were entitled fans..blah blah blah. 

So while one can debate what Wojo walked into at MU...one can also state their expectations given what they believe Wojo walked into.  Given what I believe he walked into I would say one NCAA appearance with one year of finishing in the top half of the conference would be a minimum...which he hit.  In years 5 and 6, given his lack of initial production (assuming the rationale is he's playing the long game) MU should safely make the NCAA tourney and be a top three program in the BEAST.  If in 6 years we have three top 3 finishes in the BEAST, 3 NCAA appearances, and no off-court issues...then I'm okay with a down year here and there given we are also a routine top 25 team.  Five games into the season, I'm not saying there is no way MU will make the tourney...but I do see areas that are concerning.  So on a message board, it's probably fair for fans to discuss that...knowing full well that none of us are truly capable of evaluating Wojo beyond win/losses and how he represents MU.  So feel free to state what your expectations are for Wojo rather than just providing rationale for why you feel he has achieved what he has thus far at MU.