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GrimmReaper33

We really struggle to score in the lane.  Everything is jump shots.

The Louisville game is huge now.  Starting the season by whiffing on the first non 3 cupcakes would be a disastrous start.

GGGG

Quote from: whitykj on November 21, 2018, 09:04:55 PM
My point is that it was obvious that there was no emphasis from the coaching staff in the second half to attack the basket. 

Because no one can. 

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on November 21, 2018, 08:59:40 PM

JC is what he is.  But I am blown away by how ineffective Ed has been.

JC was supposed to be the PG our roster was lacking!  He wasn't an afterthought where hope was anything you get out of him is gravy. Highly disappointing player.

whitykj

Quote from: tower912 on November 21, 2018, 09:05:45 PM
Who can create their own shots off the dribble?

Only Marcus but that has nothing to do with what I said. 

GGGG

Quote from: whitykj on November 21, 2018, 09:08:44 PM
Only Marcus but that has nothing to do with what I said. 


So you want the coaching staff to tell them to do something they can't do???

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2018, 09:05:09 PM
Let me quote myself again, because I still don't think people understand.

Offense was the problem today.  Not defense.  Kansas scored 38 in the 1st half, and 39 in the second half. 

Now.  You tell me why MU lost.  (Yes, Markus is amazing, and a problem...)

Wrong, everything was the problem. Kansas dominated both ends once they took us seriously

whitykj

Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on November 21, 2018, 09:08:08 PM
Because no one can.

Disagree heavily.  Cain and Anim can slash.  Sam and Joey can use the high post

tower912

Markus did attack the basket.   He missed lay ups and did not get foul calls.   The ball was dumped into Theo, who missed bunnies.   Sam drove into the lane and nobody bit or helped because his defender stayed in front of him and did not jump on a ball fake.   Sacar missed a floater.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

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Quote from: tower912 on November 21, 2018, 09:05:45 PM
Who can create their own shots off the dribble?

Ball movement and attacking the paint doesn't just have to come off the dribble. 

rocky_warrior

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 21, 2018, 09:10:01 PM
Wrong, everything was the problem. Kansas dominated both ends once they took us seriously

I score you 0 out of 1.   Guess you were used to that for quiz scores at Marquette.

Floorslapper

Quote from: Its DJOver on November 21, 2018, 09:02:56 PM
Defense is improved over last year (we probably would have given up 100 last year). We just couldn't buy a shot to open the 2nd half. I doubt we'll have another 9 minute drought all year.  Second half hurts, a lot, but I still think there are more positives than negatives.  It's fine if you disagree.

Defense is better, but Kansas put it to us pretty good while Azubiuke was in the game.  He only played 15 minutes.

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: GrimmReaper33 on November 21, 2018, 09:06:11 PM
We really struggle to score in the lane.  Everything is jump shots.

The Louisville game is huge now.  Starting the season by whiffing on the first non 3 cupcakes would be a disastrous start.

Exactly right. Don't forget Presbyterian had us down well into 2nd half.

whitykj

Quote from: Sultan of South Wayne on November 21, 2018, 09:09:50 PM

So you want the coaching staff to tell them to do something they can't do???

Creating a shot off the dribble and driving to the basket to colapse the defense to either go up strong or kick out are not the same thing...........

tower912

Quote from: Floorslapper on November 21, 2018, 09:12:31 PM
Defense is better, but Kansas put it to us pretty good while Azubiuke was in the game.  He only played 15 minutes.

Yes, a really good center did get our post players in foul trouble.   And kept our guys from attacking the basket while in the game.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GGGG

Quote from: whitykj on November 21, 2018, 09:13:45 PM
Creating a shot off the dribble and driving to the basket to colapse the defense to either go up strong or kick out are not the same thing...........


The defense isn't going to collapse on someone who can't go up strong. 

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2018, 09:12:05 PM
I score you 0 out of 1.   Guess you were used to that for quiz scores at Marquette.

Keep telling yourself defense wasn't an issue tonight. We played well for a stretch in first half.  That was it.  We had no ability to stop Kansas from getting anything they wanted on offense. Especially when  Azubuike wasn't in foul trouble. We had 6 team fouls before first media timeout!!

fjm

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2018, 09:05:09 PM
Let me quote myself again, because I still don't think people understand.

Offense was the problem today.  Not defense.  Kansas scored 38 in the 1st half, and 39 in the second half. 

Now.  You tell me why MU lost.  (Yes, Markus is amazing, and a problem...)

This.

Its DJOver

Quote from: Floorslapper on November 21, 2018, 09:12:31 PM
Defense is better, but Kansas put it to us pretty good while Azubiuke was in the game.  He only played 15 minutes.

Very true (although I think Lawson was better than Doke), but we wont see a C as big or as good as that all year.  Happ has better footwork, but gives up 4 inches and Matt already has some success against him.  Come Beast play I think Theo will be fine (Ed has been a major disappointment though).
Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

MUBurrow

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2018, 09:05:09 PM

Offense was the problem today.  Not defense.  Kansas scored 38 in the 1st half, and 39 in the second half. 

Now.  You tell me why MU lost.  (Yes, Markus is amazing, and a problem...)

Agree, Rocky.  My diagnosis: when you lose a player like Rowsey, it takes awhile for other players to fill that void.  Rowsey's usage rate was about 1 in 4 possessions for two years.  Additional usage for Markus was always going to make him less efficient. Sam H's game isn't going to be predicated on creating (and the way the NBA game is structured, he could play in the Association without developing that skill at MU).  So who is going to shoulder that offense?  Greg Elliot was the most aggressive candidate but he's hurt. Sacar's physicality makes him a great candidate, but his offensive game is a work in progress. Morrow has not shown the offense we anticipated.  Cain is trying to figure out his role.  Joey Hauser is an extremely talented freshman, but no one knows how to play with him yet. 

I don't know the answer to where this offensive production is going to come from - my guess is a combo of (i) Joey's maturity, (ii) Sacar becoming more aggressive, and (iii) Cain figuring out how to fill the gaps, in that order - but whether or not Wojo figures this out will be the story of the season.

brewcity77

I've been as big a Wojo supporter as anyone, but this was bad. Losing by the point spread isn't the issue. Having a 9-point halftime lead and never being in the game in the second half is disgraceful. That game felt over even before we lost the lead.

We just needed a basket and kept throwing up bad looks. We didn't attack inside. Markus took contested looks too early. Then after falling down 14, we get it back to single digits with about a minute left and go inside when only threes would give us a chance.

Maybe we shouldn't have won, but we should've been in that game. And asking "what adjustments?" is a copout response. That's literally Wojo's job. To answer that question. Go inside, draw fouls, attack Azubuike, chirp at the refs and take a technical when Azubuike and Lawson are traveling or Cain is getting hacked inside without a whistle.

The first half was great, but that second was one of the worst coached halves I've seen in a long time. And I feel like second half adjustments is somewhere we are always at a disadvantage.

We should've won that game, but at the minimum, we certainly should've been in it. We weren't from the 20:00 mark of the second half, even when we still had the lead. That's sad.

Dish

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2018, 09:05:09 PM
Let me quote myself again, because I still don't think people understand.

Offense was the problem today.  Not defense.  Kansas scored 38 in the 1st half, and 39 in the second half. 

Now.  You tell me why MU lost.  (Yes, Markus is amazing, and a problem...)

20 of 25 Kansas' first 25 second half points were on layups or dunks.

As I correctly stated (thank you very much), KU had a layup drill going on in the second half.

rocky_warrior

Quote from: brewcity77 on November 21, 2018, 09:28:06 PM
that second was one of the worst coached halves I've seen in a long time.

You mean since 11/14 vs IU?

brewcity77

Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 21, 2018, 09:31:07 PM
You mean since 11/14 vs IU?

Maybe I should've specified second halves. When they spot you 9 points, you should at the bare minimum be in the game at the end.

Silent Verbal

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Quote from: brewcity77 on November 21, 2018, 09:28:06 PM
I've been as big a Wojo supporter as anyone, but this was bad. Losing by the point spread isn't the issue. Having a 9-point halftime lead and never being in the game in the second half is disgraceful. That game felt over even before we lost the lead.

We just needed a basket and kept throwing up bad looks. We didn't attack inside. Markus took contested looks too early. Then after falling down 14, we get it back to single digits with about a minute left and go inside when only threes would give us a chance.

Maybe we shouldn't have won, but we should've been in that game. And asking "what adjustments?" is a copout response. That's literally Wojo's job. To answer that question. Go inside, draw fouls, attack Azubuike, chirp at the refs and take a technical when Azubuike and Lawson are traveling or Cain is getting hacked inside without a whistle.

The first half was great, but that second was one of the worst coached halves I've seen in a long time. And I feel like second half adjustments is somewhere we are always at a disadvantage.

We should've won that game, but at the minimum, we certainly should've been in it. We weren't from the 20:00 mark of the second half, even when we still had the lead. That's sad.

Perhaps you have not been made aware of the fact that we only lost by 9 on a neutral court to the best team in history.  A team Sam Hauser could've started on!

rocky_warrior

Quote from: MUDish on November 21, 2018, 09:29:50 PM
KU had a layup drill going on in the second half.

Yes.  And Marquette's offense was still the problem in the second half.

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