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[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

We are talking about Year 5 of the 5 year plan TAMU.  This isn't the case of judging "one game."  Is it too much to ask that Wojo win ONE NCAA tourney game in 5-years?

Did the Power Point specify projected seed in Year 5?  A mediocre 8 seed?  Personally would hope the expectations would be slightly higher than an 8 seed in Year 5 of the regime, with an expectation of a coin flip 1st round defeat in NCAA.

Actually you asked me about this season not the past five years.

You said 8 seed, not me. Expectation for this season is comfortably in the tournament with foundation for future success. For me that would be 7 seed or higher. Keep in mind that a 7 seed theoretically means you're one of the top 28 teams in the country.

Wojo has met expectations every season so far.  He has yet to exceed them. That's ok (not great) as long as the expectations keep going up.  This year has the highest expectations to date. Looking at the roster for 19-20 expectations will go up when higher.  That's good trajectory (provided he continues to meet expectations).

You can disagree with the expectations but they were all supported by services like KenPom. Maybe you don't actually have an issue with Wojos coaching,  maybe it's his recruiting. Cause he's coached the roster to where the unbiased sources had said it should be every year (with slight disappointment in Year two and slight overachieving in Year three). If he was landing better players expectations would have been higher.

[Jay Bee]

Yep.  Definitely surprised Traci hasn't performed better.  First time head coach.  Hasn't played in 1.5 years.  Lots of room for improvement. 

Still got that Top 15 finish for MU this year JayBee?  Know you were all in on this squad pre-season.

Never said "top 15 FINISH", but my preseason thoughts on the team have not changed

[Floorslapper]

Actually you asked me about this season not the past five years.

You said 8 seed, not me. Expectation for this season is comfortably in the tournament with foundation for future success. For me that would be 7 seed or higher. Keep in mind that a 7 seed theoretically means you're one of the top 28 teams in the country.

Wojo has met expectations every season so far.  He has yet to exceed them. That's ok (not great) as long as the expectations keep going up.  This year has the highest expectations to date. Looking at the roster for 19-20 expectations will go up when higher.  That's good trajectory (provided he continues to meet expectations).

You can disagree with the expectations but they were all supported by services like KenPom. Maybe you don't actually have an issue with Wojos coaching,  maybe it's his recruiting. Cause he's coached the roster to where the unbiased sources had said it should be every year (with slight disappointment in Year two and slight overachieving in Year three). If he was landing better players expectations would have been higher.

Yes.  This season is Year 5.  You've told us all along he was largely hired based on his Power Point presentation and that Year 5 was going to be the Year we blossomed - took that big step forward.

You mention expectations should go up each year.  So, it stands to reason he failed last year, after the NCAA campaign in Year 3, AND it seems as though you feel if we lose in the first round of the NCAA, that wouldn't qualify as a failure/not meeting expectations?

For real though, what was promised in the Power Point in Year 5?

[Floorslapper]

Never said "top 15 FINISH", but my preseason thoughts on the team have not changed

My bad.  Pretty sure I recall reading that in a post you'd made (and subsequently could have edited.)  You did allude to the pollsters not knowing as in the "forgive them, for they not know" post when commenting on us not being ranked in Top 25 Preseason poll.

What is your projected seed for this team?

Does M2N still happen? 

[GGGG]

You've told us all along he was largely hired based on his Power Point presentation and that Year 5 was going to be the Year we blossomed - took that big step forward.

He never said the former and isn't wrong (or right) about the latter - since we are in year five right now.

[Floorslapper]

He never said the former and isn't wrong (or right) about the latter - since we are in year five right now.

Semantics.  The guy has a freaking PowerPoint slide as his avatar here and references as much.  Believe TAMU is the one who brought the whole "Golden Power Point" verbiage here.

However, your point is correct about the latter. 

[jsglow]

If you guys would simply stop talking to him, maybe, just maybe, scoop might actually become readable again.

[NickelDimer]

If you guys would simply stop talking to him, maybe, just maybe, scoop might actually become readable again.

Hallelujah. Some fish can't refuse the bait

[Floorslapper]

If you guys would simply stop talking to him, maybe, just maybe, scoop might actually become readable again.

Stale and largely an echo chamber.  Feel free to participate on Dodds board.  Sounds like it might be more your speed. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yes.  This season is Year 5.  You've told us all along he was largely hired based on his Power Point presentation and that Year 5 was going to be the Year we blossomed - took that big step forward.

You mention expectations should go up each year.  So, it stands to reason he failed last year, after the NCAA campaign in Year 3, AND it seems as though you feel if we lose in the first round of the NCAA, that wouldn't qualify as a failure/not meeting expectations?

For real though, what was promised in the Power Point in Year 5?

I never said anything about a power point. It was a common joke here that I decided to run with. Same thing I did when your old account dubbed a bunch of us the usual suspects and I changed my avatar.

Expectations need to trend up.  They don't need to go up every season. Year 4 was always going to be a drop off season because of the roster Wojo inherited. Despite all the graduations year 4 was better than year two. Ergo trending up.

I already said make the tournament comfortably with a foundation for future success.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Semantics.  The guy has a freaking PowerPoint slide as his avatar here and references as much.  Believe TAMU is the one who brought the whole "Golden Power Point" verbiage here.

However, your point is correct about the latter.

Actually I believe you added the golden verbage. I don't remember who started the power point references. I remember Dr B taking about them but it was pretty widespread on scoop for awhile

[Floorslapper]

I never said anything about a power point. It was a common joke here that I decided to run with. Same thing I did when your old account dubbed a bunch of us the usual suspects and I changed my avatar.

Expectations need to trend up.  They don't need to go up every season. Year 4 was always going to be a drop off season because of the roster Wojo inherited. Despite all the graduations year 4 was better than year two. Ergo trending up.

I already said make the tournament comfortably with a foundation for future success.

Actually I believe you added the golden verbage. I don't remember who started the power point references. I remember Dr B taking about them but it was pretty widespread on scoop for awhile

I accept your explanations.  I disagree that Year 4 should have been a step back, particularly when many of the usual suspects were lamenting the early performance because Wojo "didn't have all of his own guys." 

As to a previous point - I feel that our talent in Year 3 and Year 4 was better than what it performed.  I believe we haven't reached our potential because of Wojo's "coaching."

[wadesworld]

Stale and largely an echo chamber.  Feel free to participate on Dodds board.  Sounds like it might be more your speed.

The guy who has been banned on multiple forums multiple times is not the problem, it's everyone else.

Hilarious.

[GGGG]

The guy who has been banned on multiple forums multiple times is not the problem, it's everyone else.

Hilarious.

He once claimed that the mods wouldn't ban him because Scoop needed him.

[jesmu84]

He once claimed that the mods wouldn't ban him because Scoop needed him.

Was that before or after the poll?

[MU82]

We're right on schedule. Outstanding wins over the No. 12 team in the nation and a Louisville team that beat Sparty.

Looking forward to flushing F%cky down the toilet next week!

Glad Wojo is our coach. So far, there is zero objective evidence to suggest he's not doing as well as or better than any of the alternatives at the time would have done here.

[MuMark]

Another very good defensive performance. Impressed with our toughness today.

Great win!

[WarriorDad]

Another very good defensive performance. Impressed with our toughness today.

Great win!

The defense is so much better.  There are still terrible breakdowns, but way ahead of last year.  My biggest concern is turnovers still.

[tower912]

Some entertaining reading here.   

[MU82]

Yep.

We have played 10 games and, unlike many highly ranked and/or hyped teams, we have zero bad losses. We also have three very good wins.

I was thinking I'd be quite pleased if we got out of NC with a 10-3 record. Now I'm getting a little greedy and thinking 11-2!

But if we happen to stumble and lose to Buffalo -- I don't think we will, but maybe 2/3rds of the team will have the flu or something -- I am not going to say the effen season is over like a few of the usual suspects surely will.

[brewcity77]

But if we happen to stumble and lose to Buffalo -- I don't think we will, but maybe 2/3rds of the team will have the flu or something -- I am not going to say the effen season is over like a few of the usual suspects surely will.

So will Buffalo be ranked 12th when we play them? They are currently 17/18 in the polls. They'll probably jump Wisconsin and Kansas State to move up to 15/16 next week. They could even get ahead of Kentucky.

Games to watch would be Tennessee playing Gonzaga (today) and at Memphis, Virginia Tech playing Washington on a neutral, UNC playing Gonzaga at home (all on Dec 15). My guess is they'll come in at 14 or so, but having three weekends in a month with #12 coming to town would certainly be an interesting coincidence.

[Galway Eagle]

So will Buffalo be ranked 12th when we play them? They are currently 17/18 in the polls. They'll probably jump Wisconsin and Kansas State to move up to 15/16 next week. They could even get ahead of Kentucky.

Games to watch would be Tennessee playing Gonzaga (today) and at Memphis, Virginia Tech playing Washington on a neutral, UNC playing Gonzaga at home (all on Dec 15). My guess is they'll come in at 14 or so, but having three weekends in a month with #12 coming to town would certainly be an interesting coincidence.

If that happens all we can do is hope that nova crawls up to 12 by the time they come around as well

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Hell if St Johns is undefeated they could climb to 12 by New Years

[79Warrior]

Yep.

We have played 10 games and, unlike many highly ranked and/or hyped teams, we have zero bad losses. We also have three very good wins.

I was thinking I'd be quite pleased if we got out of NC with a 10-3 record. Now I'm getting a little greedy and thinking 11-2!

But if we happen to stumble and lose to Buffalo -- I don't think we will, but maybe 2/3rds of the team will have the flu or something -- I am not going to say the effen season is over like a few of the usual suspects surely will.

I think we are winning the games most of us felt we could win. I don't think many posters had games @ IU and against Kansas pencilled in as wins. I did not. I think we win out the remaining NC games and will be in great shape going into BE play. We are building a solid resume.

[brewcity77]

Hell if St Johns is undefeated they could climb to 12 by New Years

I'm skeptical they could get that high. Seems unlikely they get in this week, so the soonest they enter the polls is December 17. They would have to go from ≈ 23-25 to 12 in 2 weeks. That's a really fast climb, especially when there's a lot of buy games around Christmas with bowl season taking the ratings.