Big East Non Conference Results

[Mr. Nielsen]

Xavier has lost it's big lead. Now, trail by 9. 

[MuMark]

This Xavier collapse is breathtaking........still time to win the game but wow.

Basketball is a funny game.......everything going your way and all of the sudden you can't do anything and a huge lead is gone and you're in trouble.

[brewcity77]

I know each year collectively has its own SOS...but in general:
BE Non-Conference Record:
17-18: 112-32 78%
16-17: 107-38 74%
15-16: 105-39 73%
14-15: 104-40 72%

18-19 Current: 28-11 72% - so sort of ok....we'll see.

I think the worry is that we usually start like gangbusters and then it drops from the 90s into the 70s when teams hit non-con tournaments and the meat of their schedule. This year we've already seen losses to teams like Furman, Loyola Marymount, St Louis, and a down Wichita State before Thanksgiving. Not only that, but after losing the Gavitt Games, we have little quality among wins.

DePaul has the league's only top-50 win against #35 Penn State. We are 4-9 vs top-100 opponents. There's little quality among the wins, and too much quantity of questionable losses. The odds are the current winning percentage will drop.

If the league doesn't turn it around, we may only see 2-3 bids this season. There just won't be the same opportunity for quality wins in league play that we've seen in past seasons without a collective turn-around.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I think the worry is that we usually start like gangbusters and then it drops from the 90s into the 70s when teams hit non-con tournaments and the meat of their schedule. This year we've already seen losses to teams like Furman, Loyola Marymount, St Louis, and a down Wichita State before Thanksgiving. Not only that, but after losing the Gavitt Games, we have little quality among wins.

DePaul has the league's only top-50 win against #35 Penn State. We are 4-9 vs top-100 opponents. There's little quality among the wins, and too much quantity of questionable losses. The odds are the current winning percentage will drop.

If the league doesn't turn it around, we may only see 2-3 bids this season. There just won't be the same opportunity for quality wins in league play that we've seen in past seasons without a collective turn-around.

I think 2-3 teams is crazy.  It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds. 

[MuMark]

I think 2-3 teams is crazy.  It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds.

I agree with Brew......if you don't have multiple teams that do very well in non conference it's very hard to get 4 or 5 bids in a 10 team league. Last year teams could get big wins by beating  Xavier or Nova ......won't be any of those opportunities this season.

Obviously it depends on how everything plays out.....teams get bids not conferences.....but I could see a worst case scenario being 2 or 3 teams.

Need to start winning some quality games soon......and stop the bad losses ....

Still time to do it obviously but nobody has been impressive so far.......

[brewcity77]

I think 2-3 teams is crazy.  It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds.

Not if the league has parity like it looks. We have no one ranked. If the entire league is in the 30-90 range of the NET, a 13-5 league champ could be a 5-6 seed and even 11-7 in league may not be enough depending on a team's overall resume. That reduces the opportunities for Q1 wins.

That's why non-con is so important. If the league isn't strong in November and December, the games in January and February have a lot less value for teams chasing at-large bids.

[MarquetteDano]

That's why non-con is so important. If the league isn't strong in November and December, the games in January and February have a lot less value for teams chasing at-large bids.

Yup. Thought I was being a negativo in the other thread when I predicted 3 bids. Unless the BE starts winning that number is going to be spot on.

[brewcity77]

St John's escapes VCU in overtime 87-86. Absolute escape because the refs missed a very obvious foul on a potential game-winning shot at the buzzer for VCU. Good for the league. St John's will likely be ranked soon, if only because their schedule is very favorable from now until BE play.

[Herman Cain]

Ponds comes through in the clutch for The Johnnies versus VCU. Big East needed that.

[Herman Cain]

Creighton handily beats Georgia State will play Clemson in the final.

[nyg]

St John's escapes VCU in overtime 87-86. Absolute escape because the refs missed a very obvious foul on a potential game-winning shot at the buzzer for VCU. Good for the league. St John's will likely be ranked soon, if only because their schedule is very favorable from now until BE play.

Nice win, but that was a foul.

St. John's is beatable, no bench and height.  Starters were exhausted and major foul problems.  VCU was predicted for bottom half of A10, but still good/ lucky victory. 

[Lennys Tap]

I think 2-3 teams is crazy.  It'll be at least 4, but probably a couple high seeds.

I think a couple of high seeds is way crazier than 2-3 teams at this (admittedly early) point.

[brewcity77]

I think a couple of high seeds is way crazier than 2-3 teams at this (admittedly early) point.

Agreed. If one team runs away with the league (16-18 wins) and has no more than 5-6 losses come Selection Sunday we might get one high seed, but I think multiple seems unlikely.

[Silent Verbal]

Instead of using every Nova loss to try and prop Wojo up, we should be thanking our lucky stars that Jay Wright isn't coaching in the NBA right now.  Chris Mack leaving Xavier was a huge blow to the conference, worse than when Brad Stevens left Butler the summer before the NBE's inaugural season.  Stevens was always going to leave for greener pastures, but Mack was coaching at his alma mater and had his program absolutely rolling.  It'd be like if MU finally gave Wardle the head coaching job and he used us as a stepping stone.

[BM1090]

I think a couple of high seeds is way crazier than 2-3 teams at this (admittedly early) point.

I think he meant high literally, like double digit. Not close to 1.

[MUBigDance]

Wins in BE are like pulling teeth these days...or maybe I'm on edge about it.

BE can survive worst case (2 tourney teams?)  for a year or two...but after that, trouble.
I'm not predicting it, I just see it as a real possibility.  As mentioned:  bad non-conf->lower quality->fewer seeds

This next week could be a real plus for the BE and MU if we get a few.

[Herman Cain]

It is possible for the Johnnies to go into conference play with a 12-0 record. Georgetown may be able to go 11-2. So that should be a couple of 20 win teams by the end of the season. The rest of the conference is going to have to step up their performance as those teams still have some tough teams left to play.

It is a little early to be looking at RPI, but as of now The Big East is still rated as the third best conference with the second best strength of schedule.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

So lets not throw in the towel on the league quite yet . If MU performs well that will help the league tremendously.

[source?]

It is possible for the Johnnies to go into conference play with a 12-0 record. Georgetown may be able to go 11-2. So that should be a couple of 20 win teams by the end of the season. The rest of the conference is going to have to step up their performance as those teams still have some tough teams left to play.

It is a little early to be looking at RPI, but as of now The Big East is still rated as the third best conference with the second best strength of schedule.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

So lets not throw in the towel on the league quite yet . If MU performs well that will help the league tremendously.

Pretty sure any time this season will be too early to look at the RPI...

[Billy Hoyle]

Ponds comes through in the clutch for The Johnnies versus VCU. Big East needed that.

Ponds = Isaiah Thomas (UDub Thomas, that is). Special player who can take over a game despite a lack of height.

[Newsdreams]

It is possible for the Johnnies to go into conference play with a 12-0 record. Georgetown may be able to go 11-2. So that should be a couple of 20 win teams by the end of the season. The rest of the conference is going to have to step up their performance as those teams still have some tough teams left to play.

It is a little early to be looking at RPI, but as of now The Big East is still rated as the third best conference with the second best strength of schedule.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

So lets not throw in the towel on the league quite yet . If MU performs well that will help the league tremendously.

20 wins no matta

[Herman Cain]

Creighton up 10 at Halftime over Clemson.
Butler down by eleven to Dayton 11 minutes left.

[Herman Cain]

Dayton beat Butler

[Herman Cain]

Creighton beats number 16 Clemson 87-82. Big East needed that one.

[Floorslapper]

Creighton beats number 16 Clemson 87-82. Big East needed that one.

Yes it did.

Butler getting beat by Number 91 Dayton, not so good.  Highly likely the Big East won't have any teams in Pomeroy Top 25 this season.

[Herman Cain]

Xavier beat Illinois. Nice for them to get one for the Big East out in Maui.

Villanova needs to step up and win the Advocare tournament