Anonymous eagle hits em where it stings

[real chili 83]

Not much to see here.

[mug644]

Yeah, it's just a puff piece re the BE.

Two thoughts:

1. Good that the BEast is getting such coverage, even if it's puffy.

2. We can assume that Goodman received other replies that could've been used for "the knock". He chose one, and it is inaccurate. He could've picked one that might have been less interesting, but true. That's on him, in my mind. Then again, he's generated clicks, which is probably the ultimate goal.

[THRILLHO]

The piece isn't for accuracy. It's to share the opinion of coaches in the league. You don't go and enter your own comments on a coach's thoughts.

Anyone with pretensions to being a journalist absolutely should contextualize quotes from sources that are not true. Journalism is more than stenography.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Not much to see here.

But everyone is soooo angry.  Maybe we should all eat a honeycrisp and call it a night. 

[rocket surgeon]

But everyone is soooo angry.  Maybe we should all eat a honeycrisp and call it a night.

  unless i'm missing something, i don't sense any anger here.  i think there were a lot of good observations.  glad to see 82 chime in as that is/was his shtick.  as for whether or not goodman practiced proper journalistic protocol/standards, that is a real loaded one. 

   i just thought the main premise of most wisco ballers go to UW over MU was interesting, but even more interesting was the fact that it was wrong.  if one is to develop anger from this topic, well, there are other resources for that.

[skianth16]

Anyone with pretensions to being a journalist absolutely should contextualize quotes from sources that are not true. Journalism is more than stenography.

But there's no commentary about any other quote. To add a note to just one or two comments is basically calling out a source who won't want to work with you again.

This article isn't meant to be a barometer for journalism in 2018. Its just a bunch of quotes from coaches. Nothing more, nothing less. No need to be so up in arms over this.

[wadesworld]

But there's no commentary about any other quote. To add a note to just one or two comments is basically calling out a source who won't want to work with you again.

This article isn't meant to be a barometer for journalism in 2018. Its just a bunch of quotes from coaches. Nothing more, nothing less. No need to be so up in arms over this.

Exactly.

[skianth16]

  unless i'm missing something, i don't sense any anger here.  i think there were a lot of good observations.  glad to see 82 chime in as that is/was his shtick.  as for whether or not goodman practiced proper journalistic protocol/standards, that is a real loaded one. 

i just thought the main premise of most wisco ballers go to UW over MU was interesting, but even more interesting was the fact that it was wrong.  if one is to develop anger from this topic, well, there are other resources for that.

That's not what the coach said, though,  and that's why this isn't a black and white good journalism vs. lazy journalism debate. The coach said that Wisconsin kids would prefer UW over WI. That doesn't mean that UW gets better in-state recruits. It means he sees evidence that the good kids in Wisconsin would rather play for UW than MU, regardless of where they end up playing. He doesn't say anything about who has been winning recruiting battles; he's just talking about preferences, which can't really be proven.

Said another way, Man A (certainly not me!) might prefer to  marry Kate Upton over his current girlfriend. Does that mean he won't date anyone else? Of course not. Preference doesn't always reflect reality.

I'm  not saying UW is Kate Upton and MU is some homely cheese curd eating hometown girl. I'm just trying to explain the difference between what was said and what people here seem to think was said.

[wadesworld]

That's not what the coach said, though,  and that's why this isn't a black and white good journalism vs. lazy journalism debate. The coach said that Wisconsin kids would prefer UW over WI. That doesn't mean that UW gets better in-state recruits. It means he sees evidence that the good kids in Wisconsin would rather play for UW than MU, regardless of where they end up playing. He doesn't say anything about who has been winning recruiting battles; he's just talking about preferences, which can't really be proven.

Said another way, Man A (certainly not me!) might prefer to  marry Kate Upton over his current girlfriend. Does that mean he won't date anyone else? Of course not. Preference doesn't always reflect reality.

I'm  not saying UW is Kate Upton and MU is some homely cheese curd eating hometown girl. I'm just trying to explain the difference between what was said and what people here seem to think was said.

Yup. The guy quoted an assistant coach telling him what was perceived to be the weakness or difficulty for Marquette. There was absolutely nothing wrong with his reporting.

[Its DJOver]

The way I see it is even if UW is the preferred school from birth for Wisco kids, (which is up for debate) the fact the we've gotten the majority means that we're just purely outworking the staff at UW. Which should always be seen as a plus.  Please continue this trend Wojo.

[dgies9156]

Perhaps the most bizzare thing I read was not that Wisconsin kids go to Wisconsin (they don't as a general rule) but that Georgetown was picked for second in the Big East.

Really Jeff? Who is sucking up to Patrick Ewing.

Georgetown has started on the road back to excellence. But it is in the early phases. Very early phases.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Perhaps the most bizzare thing I read was not that Wisconsin kids go to Wisconsin (they don't as a general rule) but that Georgetown was picked for second in the Big East.

Really Jeff? Who is sucking up to Patrick Ewing.

Georgetown has started on the road back to excellence. But it is in the early phases. Very early phases.

Where did you see Georgetown picked second?

[dgies9156]

Where did you see Georgetown picked second?

Oops, I misunderstood the Anon Eagle. He called the MU job the third best in the BEast.

My senility is kicking in. Forgive Me, Brother TAMU, for I have committed the cardinal sin of acting before understanding. It's like that never happens in here.

Seriously, thanks for calling me out!

[The Lens]

You all are crazy. 

[fjm]

And this thread is why people I know that went to UW tell me that MU has little brother syndrome.

It was a quote, by an assistant coach. Yup he was wrong. Good for AE for pointing out he's wrong.

[Osiris]

And this thread is why people I know that went to UW tell me that MU has little brother syndrome.

It was a quote, by an assistant coach. Yup he was wrong. Good for AE for pointing out he's wrong.

I think you could point to the Anon Eagle story and make that assessment but this thread is really about a specific journalistic standard.  MU and people's perception of it has zero to do with what most are discussing here.

[fjm]

I think you could point to the Anon Eagle story and make that assessment but this thread is really about a specific journalistic standard.  MU and people's perception of it has zero to do with what most are discussing here.

Fair.

[THRILLHO]

Yup. The guy quoted an assistant coach telling him what was perceived to be the weakness or difficulty for Marquette. There was absolutely nothing wrong with his reporting.

I think of it this way -- he didn't transcribe what everyone told him word for word and put that on his website, did he? He had to select a quote from what he heard, and he selected a quote that is false. Pretty lazy!

[Newsdreams]

You all are crazy.

But I'm feeling much better now

[wadesworld]

I think of it this way -- he didn't transcribe what everyone told him word for word and put that on his website, did he? He had to select a quote from what he heard, and he selected a quote that is false. Pretty lazy!

Do you know that he had any better, more accurate quotes?

A person's opinion can't be wrong or false.  The coach perceives that UW being the big in state school that kids in WI want to go to is a challenge for MU.  The coach didn't say, "UW gets every kid they want in that state."

[Pakuni]

Do you know that he had any better, more accurate quotes?

A person's opinion can't be wrong or false.  The coach perceives that UW being the big in state school that kids in WI want to go to is a challenge for MU.  The coach didn't say, "UW gets every kid they want in that state."

An opinion can't be wrong or false? Wut?
Regardless, this coach's comment wasn't stated as opinion, it was stated as fact.
"Not a ton of kids in Wisconsin, the ones that do come out of there want to go to Wisconsin and not Marquette."

Anyhow, what seems lost here is that professional reporting is more than simply regurgitating quotes, regardless of their accuracy.
And this is a dumb argument.

[wadesworld]

An opinion can't be wrong or false? Wut?
Regardless, this coach's comment wasn't stated as opinion, it was stated as fact.
"Not a ton of kids in Wisconsin, the ones that do come out of there want to go to Wisconsin and not Marquette."

Anyhow, what seems lost here is that professional reporting is more than simply regurgitating quotes, regardless of their accuracy.
And this is a dumb argument.

The point of the article was not for the journalist to determine the best coaching jobs in the Big East. It was to poll coaches in the Big East to get their opinions on Big East programs. He literally writes, right before he shows the results, "This is how polling in the Big East shook out among coaches who voted, with one being the best and 10 being the worst:"

I don't know how people are struggling so much to understand this. It's pretty clear. His purpose is to report the results of the poll. It's factually what coaches think about the jobs in the Big East, as supported by the answers coaches gave to him in the poll. It is not to provide a fact based analysis of recruiting rankings, where recruits are going, etc. He's polling coaches in their opinions. Not hard to comprehend!

And no, an opinion cannot be false or wrong. It's an opinion. It might be a bad one or a good one. But it's not wrong or right.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

It is my opinion that opinions can be wrong.   If opinions can't be wrong, then my opinion is wrong.   Which then proves that opinions can be wrong.

[wadesworld]

It is my opinion that opinions can be wrong.   If opinions can't be wrong, then my opinion is wrong.   Which then proves that opinions can be wrong.

It proves you can have a bad opinion.

[Osiris]

It is my opinion that opinions can be wrong.   If opinions can't be wrong, then my opinion is wrong.   Which then proves that opinions can be wrong.

Going all Knights and Knaves on us.  Nice!