MLB hot stove discussion 2018/19 off season

[WarriorDad]

He could have received $650M some are saying.  Congratulations on keeping your guy.  You need to improve your spring training stadium.  Showing its age compared to all the new parks.

[Lennys Tap]

Good point on Mantle injury.  I would also say guys just take care of themselves better today due to the knowledge and money at stake.  Mantle was a drinker, Trout from all reports doesn't touch the stuff.

The Babe was known to enjoy the occasional hot dog and beer too.

[nyg]

Just saw on TV:  average of $67,000 an at-bat.  Ridiculous. 

[MU82]

No idea if true, trusting journalists here

Typical chicos pot-shot at "journalists." Here's what article says:

If Trout was a California resident, noted CPA Robert Raiola on Twitter, he would pocket less than half of the contract’s amount, netting $214 million once he had paid his state and federal income taxes.

In other words, the journalist (as is usually the case) is only the messenger. In this instance, Fortune was just reporting what a CPA said.

So, in fact, you should have said, "No idea if true, trusting a CPA here." But you wouldn't have been chicos if you said that.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

He could have received $650M some are saying.  Congratulations on keeping your guy.  You need to improve your spring training stadium.  Showing its age compared to all the new parks.

Maybe sign a pitcher, too.  Tyler Skaggs is the Angels' Opening Day starter.

[drewm88]

Maybe sign a pitcher, too.  Tyler Skaggs is the Angels' Opening Day starter.

It's Trevor Cahill. But point stands.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Maybe sign a pitcher, too.  Tyler Skaggs is the Angels' Opening Day starter.

I see a Breakdown Dead Ahead.

[Cheeks]

Typical chicos pot-shot at "journalists." Here's what article says:

If Trout was a California resident, noted CPA Robert Raiola on Twitter, he would pocket less than half of the contract’s amount, netting $214 million once he had paid his state and federal income taxes.

In other words, the journalist (as is usually the case) is only the messenger. In this instance, Fortune was just reporting what a CPA said.

So, in fact, you should have said, "No idea if true, trusting a CPA here." But you wouldn't have been chicos if you said that.

The journalist chose to use the CPA’s information and push it further to the readers.  Nowhere in the article was their any skepticism of whether the cpa is right or wrong, it is assumed it is right because the journalist has put it out there as fact. 

I’m old enough to remember when journalists would validate first before publishing, or they would give an alternative option if there was a question on the merits.  That’s not the case here, so me being the kind and caring person I am, I am doing the warning for the readers that the journalist who wrote the article and decided to effectively endorse the the CPA’s position may not be right....I don’t know....will leave it to the experts to decide.

[Cheeks]

Just saw on TV:  average of $67,000 an at-bat.  Ridiculous.

At bats that I actually pay attention to as do many.  Think about all the guys making $20k per at bat that no one gives a damn about because they aren’t that compelling.

[Cheeks]

Maybe sign a pitcher, too.  Tyler Skaggs is the Angels' Opening Day starter.

We have lost more guys to Tommy John surgery than any other team the last 10 years.  It has been brutal.  Our opening day starter shut down two weeks ago for rehab.  A lot of arm troubles for our guys.

[MU82]

The journalist chose to use the CPA’s information and push it further to the readers.  Nowhere in the article was their any skepticism of whether the cpa is right or wrong, it is assumed it is right because the journalist has put it out there as fact. 

I’m old enough to remember when journalists would validate first before publishing, or they would give an alternative option if there was a question on the merits.  That’s not the case here, so me being the kind and caring person I am, I am doing the warning for the readers that the journalist who wrote the article and decided to effectively endorse the the CPA’s position may not be right....I don’t know....will leave it to the experts to decide.

Attaboy. Don't admit that you were wrong to go after the messenger (aka "the enemy of the people") rather than the source.

chicos! chicos! chicos!

[Dr. Blackheart]

We have lost more guys to Tommy John surgery than any other team the last 10 years.  It has been brutal.  Our opening day starter shut down two weeks ago for rehab.  A lot of arm troubles for our guys.

The Halos using the same mound dirt as Santa Anita?

[Cheeks]

Attaboy. Don't admit that you were wrong to go after the messenger (aka "the enemy of the people") rather than the source.

chicos! chicos! chicos!

The irony coming from you, especially.

Not the enemy of the people, at least not the ones that stick to facts, are objective and don’t have an agenda.  I enjoyed reading the last week about stories purposely spiked by journalists because they thought it would hurt the person they were writing about....their horse in the race...ahh, nothing like objective and bringing truth to the peeps.  “We will decide what you get to learn about and if there is something that we know to be truthful but damaging and against what we stand for and may hurt the image of our annoited ones, well you don’t get to learn about it”.  Ah yes, the gatekeepers we should trust, aye.

[Cheeks]

The Halos using the same mound dirt as Santa Anita?

No kidding, bad year over there for the ponies.  We have a race track 5 miles from us, and nothing close to the damage going on at Santa Anita.  Tragic

[MU82]

The irony coming from you, especially.

Not the enemy of the people, at least not the ones that stick to facts, are objective and don’t have an agenda.  I enjoyed reading the last week about stories purposely spiked by journalists because they thought it would hurt the person they were writing about....their horse in the race...ahh, nothing like objective and bringing truth to the peeps.  “We will decide what you get to learn about and if there is something that we know to be truthful but damaging and against what we stand for and may hurt the image of our annoited ones, well you don’t get to learn about it”.  Ah yes, the gatekeepers we should trust, aye.

Attaboy.

The only gatekeeper anybody should trust is chicos.

[DegenerateDish]

Interesting on the Sox/Jimenez deal, roll of the dice obviously on a player who's never played in MLB. Jimenez loses a year of free agency and there's not going to be any arbitration to go through. If he's a superstar, which I certainly hope he will be, the last few years of the deal will be incredibly club friendly. Since their payroll is next to nothing the next two years, it really doesn't hurt them.

If nothing else, no other team in MLB is better at locking up their young players on team friendly deals than the Sox, it's actually pretty incredible the deals they've negotiated over the last few years with their (albeit small) good players.

[Lighthouse 84]

Interesting on the Sox/Jimenez deal, roll of the dice obviously on a player who's never played in MLB. Jimenez loses a year of free agency and there's not going to be any arbitration to go through. If he's a superstar, which I certainly hope he will be, the last few years of the deal will be incredibly club friendly. Since their payroll is next to nothing the next two years, it really doesn't hurt them.

If nothing else, no other team in MLB is better at locking up their young players on team friendly deals than the Sox, it's actually pretty incredible the deals they've negotiated over the last few years with their (albeit small) good players.

Love the idea they can bring Eloy up immediately without the BS of having to hold him down for the beginning of the year.

[dgies9156]

Maybe, as a Halos fan we look at this one differently.  Albert was on the downslide when signed.  Trout hasn't shown anything of that kind....yet.  They knew when they got Pujols he had 3 or 4 decent years ahead, they were able to get the best record in baseball with him for one year, but ran into the Royals insane run.  Moreno probably felt he would have been burned at the stake if he lost Trout.

That's what I am telling myself anyway.

If that was the case for Pujols, why did they sign him for deal that makes Bobby Bonilla's Mets deal look like a short-termer.

[Cheeks]

If that was the case for Pujols, why did they sign him for deal that makes Bobby Bonilla's Mets deal look like a short-termer.

???  Not sure I am following.

Pujols has three more years.  Bonilla is being paid for many more years, ends in 2035.

Yes, aware that Pujols has a 10 year personal services deal after he retires, but that doesn’t count toward luxury tax and he has plenty of good Will out here with his charity, etc....having future hall of gamers on the payroll that are quality human beings isn’t the worst thing in the world. 

[Lennys Tap]

He could have received $650M some are saying.  Congratulations on keeping your guy.  You need to improve your spring training stadium.  Showing its age compared to all the new parks.

Talk amongst yourself.

[#UnleashSean]

Ichiro retires after becoming oldest al player to start on opening day

[Cheeks]

Talk amongst yourself.

Can we bring Billy and all the other incorrectly labeled posters in, too?

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I take my Rotisserie league very, very seriously, and I'm happy about my draft but worried about my OF.  I also have below-average RP, but spend April/May being a vulture until bullpens settle down.
C: Sanchez
1B: Goldschmidt
2B: Albies
3B: Rendon
SS: Bregman
OF: Puig
OF: Castellanos
OF: Pollock
UTL: Segura
UTL: Encarnacion
SP: Scherzer
SP: Snell
SP: Mikolas
SP: Castillo
SP: Quintana
RP: Hicks
RP: Strop
RP: Barnes
Bench: Brantley (OF), Peraza (SS), Moustakas (3B), Moncada (2B)

[jficke13]

Still amazed that Keuchel isn't signed. It's not like there's a superabundence of SPs floating around the show.

[Bad_Reporter]

Still amazed that Keuchel isn't signed. It's not like there's a superabundence of SPs floating around the show.

He’s waiting for 100 mil.  Brewers offered him about 40, unfortunately he didn’t bite.

1st year was about 5 mil
2nd was 7mil
3 was 27 mil