Wojo is learning

[Herman Cain]

Wojo essentially started with nothing.  As he has built pieces over these last few years he's been able to fine tune his recruiting targets.  He went from 'bodies' to 'talented bodies' to 'best fit talented bodies'.  I think he knew it all along but as others have said, respect the process.

https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/burton-180707

[Newsdreams]

https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/burton-180707

Old news and he made it very clear on SI interview he didn't leave MU because of playing time but because once his mother died he couldn't keep hos head on basketball while in MKE so he needed to leave MKE. Depression is a terrible disease

[Floorslapper]

Old news and he made it very clear on SI interview he didn't leave MU because of playing time but because once his mother died he couldn't keep hos head on basketball while in MKE so he needed to leave MKE. Depression is a terrible disease

While true, let's not ignore that being benched behind Sandy Cohen, AND seeing Derrick Wilson playing the bottom of the 1-3-1 zone, certainly didn't help Deonte's depression/sadness over losing his Mom.  16 minutes per game coming off an All Big East freshman year, regardless of the passing of his Mom, was inexcusable IMO.

The kid is hurting, AND you get mindf$cked in the above manner?  Nail in the coffin to definitely move on/transfer.

[vogue65]

Wojo has forgotten more than we know.  I know, I know, WE are not strong on humility.  We are MARQUETTE.

[brewcity77]

Wojo has forgotten more than we know.  I know, I know, WE are not strong on humility.  We are MARQUETTE.

Lord I hope not. If so, it has to be early-onset Alzheimer's.

[jesmu84]

While true, let's not ignore that being benched behind Sandy Cohen, AND seeing Derrick Wilson playing the bottom of the 1-3-1 zone, certainly didn't help Deonte's depression/sadness over losing his Mom.  16 minutes per game coming off an All Big East freshman year, regardless of the passing of his Mom, was inexcusable IMO.

The kid is hurting, AND you get mindf$cked in the above manner?  Nail in the coffin to definitely move on/transfer.

Burton directly stated why he left. Here you are painting an entirely different picture to hate on Wojo.

So good.

[jsglow]

https://www.nba.com/thunder/news/burton-180707

Players leave.... For a variety of reasons..... And Burton's was among the best.

Nothing to see here.

[GGGG]

Burton directly stated why he left. Here you are painting an entirely different picture to hate on Wojo.

So good.

And predictable.

[Floorslapper]

And predictable.

Rich in irony.

Any athlete with any degree of pride aint gonna be happy sitting behind a clearly inferior player. 

Anyone who would suggest that Burton should have gotten 16 minutes a game on that team, that year, is simply choosing to be an idiot.

[GGGG]

Rich in irony.

Any athlete with any degree of pride aint gonna be happy sitting behind a clearly inferior player. 

Anyone who would suggest that Burton should have gotten 16 minutes a game on that team, that year, is simply choosing to be an idiot.

Just. F*cking. Drop. It.

Goes away only to come back pushing the same stuck button.

[Newsdreams]

Rich in irony.

Any athlete with any degree of pride aint gonna be happy sitting behind a clearly inferior player. 

Anyone who would suggest that Burton should have gotten 16 minutes a game on that team, that year, is simply choosing to be an idiot.

You have no fckng idea what depression does. STFU

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

While true, let's not ignore that being benched behind Sandy Cohen, AND seeing Derrick Wilson playing the bottom of the 1-3-1 zone, certainly didn't help Deonte's depression/sadness over losing his Mom.  16 minutes per game coming off an All Big East freshman year, regardless of the passing of his Mom, was inexcusable IMO.

The kid is hurting, AND you get mindf$cked in the above manner?  Nail in the coffin to definitely move on/transfer.

For the bajillionth time.

Derrick Wilson was a PG. His time didn't impact Deonte's.

Sandy Cohen started over Deonte Burton exactly 3 times, the first three games of the season.

Sandy Cohen got more minutes in Deonte Burton in exactly two games, the first two games of the season.

In the two games where Sandy got more minutes, he shot 6/10 from the floor. Deonte was 3/9. Sandy averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 1.0 assists, .5 steals and 1.5 turnovers. Deonte averaged 6.0 points, 0.5 rebounds, 0.0 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.5 blocks, and 1.5 turnovers.

Also, in 1 of the 2 games where Sandy played more minutes, Deonte racked up 4 fouls in 12 minutes, forcing Wojo to pull him early in both halves.

The remaining 6 games, Deonte got more minutes than Sandy in every game. In fact, in 3 of them he got 15+ more minutes than Sandy.

Please stop with the Deonte transferred because Sandy started over him bullcrap. 1. It's not true. 2. You're calling Deonte a liar given that he's repeatedly given his reasons for transfer. 3. You're implying that Deonte is so mentally soft that he couldn't stand that a teammate got more minutes than him in two games where the teammate played better than he did....even when he got more minutes than that teammate in every other game in the season.

[Newsdreams]

For the bajillionth time.

Derrick Wilson was a PG. His time didn't impact Deonte's.

Sandy Cohen started over Deonte Burton exactly 3 times, the first three games of the season.

Sandy Cohen got more minutes in Deonte Burton in exactly two games, the first two games of the season.

In the two games where Sandy got more minutes, he shot 6/10 from the floor. Deonte was 3/9. Sandy averaged 8.5 points, 3 rebounds, 1.0 assists, .5 steals and 1.5 turnovers. Deonte averaged 6.0 points, 0.5 rebounds, 0.0 assists, 0.5 steals, 0.5 blocks, and 1.5 turnovers.

Also, in 1 of the 2 games where Sandy played more minutes, Deonte racked up 4 fouls in 12 minutes, forcing Wojo to pull him early in both halves.

The remaining 6 games, Deonte got more minutes than Sandy in every game. In fact, in 3 of them he got 15+ more minutes than Sandy.

Please stop with the Deonte transferred because Sandy started over him bullcrap. 1. It's not true. 2. You're calling Deonte a liar given that he's repeatedly given his reasons for transfer. 3. You're implying that Deonte is so mentally soft that he couldn't stand that a teammate got more minutes than him in two games where the teammate played better than he did....even when he got more minutes than that teammate in every other game in the season.

Plus I'm sure he didn't read tjhe complete SI article where Burton said after his mother died he had no interest in playing basketball, but didn't tell anybody about it, and he had to get away from MKE to be able to focus.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

I dont know if deonte deserved more or less time on a bad team or for what reason he left, but i do know for the season plus that he was at MU he was very possibly the worst defensive player I ever saw at MU.  As bad as his defense was, his effort on that end was even worse. 

Turned out to be a fine player but to argue a young player with that defensive effort should have received more playing time indicates a severe lack of knowledge of what gets and then keeps young basketball players on the court.

[brewcity77]

Turned out to be a fine player but to argue a young player with that defensive effort should have received more playing time indicates a severe lack of knowledge of what gets and then keeps young basketball players on the court.

I don't think you understand, sir. Ners could dunk in high school.

[Floorslapper]

Plus I'm sure he didn't read tjhe complete SI article where Burton said after his mother died he had no interest in playing basketball, but didn't tell anybody about it, and he had to get away from MKE to be able to focus.

I read the article.  What does Deonte gain by bashing Wojo in any interview surrounding his transfer?  How many kids transfer out of a program and bad mouth the coach/program?

If you think depression is cured by relocation to Ames, Iowa, perhaps you should re-evaluate how much you think you know about depression.

Things are multi-factorial.  To dismiss the notion that Deonte having a much smaller role than he, or most any objective MU basketball fan would have thought going into that season didn't factor into decision to leave, is just ignorant.

[Herman Cain]

I read the article.  What does Deonte gain by bashing Wojo in any interview surrounding his transfer?  How many kids transfer out of a program and bad mouth the coach/program?

If you think depression is cured by relocation to Ames, Iowa, perhaps you should re-evaluate how much you think you know about depression.

Things are multi-factorial.  To dismiss the notion that Deonte having a much smaller role than he, or most any objective MU basketball fan would have thought going into that season didn't factor into decision to leave, is just ignorant.

I agree with this analysis.

[Floorslapper]

I dont know if deonte deserved more or less time on a bad team or for what reason he left, but i do know for the season plus that he was at MU he was very possibly the worst defensive player I ever saw at MU.  As bad as his defense was, his effort on that end was even worse. 

Turned out to be a fine player but to argue a young player with that defensive effort should have received more playing time indicates a severe lack of knowledge of what gets and then keeps young basketball players on the court.

While, no doubt Wojo saw it the same way as you.  Derrick Wilson is case in point to your theory.

Personally, I like to play guys who can actually play and make a meaningful difference in a game despite not being spastic.  Deonte's steal and block percentages were among the best in the conference as a freshman, and that trend continued in his time at Iowa State. 

Can't coach good instincts.  Effort without results is irrelevant.

[real chili 83]

I agree with this analysis.

Herman=Ners

[GGGG]

While, no doubt Wojo saw it the same way as you.  Derrick Wilson is case in point to your theory.

Personally, I like to play guys who can actually play and make a meaningful difference in a game despite not being spastic.  Deonte's steal and block percentages were among the best in the conference as a freshman, and that trend continued in his time at Iowa State. 

Can't coach good instincts.  Effort without results is irrelevant.

Deonte was a bad defensive player.  Anyone who has an understanding for basketball can see it.  Steals and blocks are frosting.  A cake that's all frosting and no cake really isn't a cake at all. 

Give me a sound defensive player who understands how to play within a scheme any day.  That's why, regardless of the accolades, I would rather have a Dominic James type player than a Jerel McNeal type player on defense.

[forgetful]

If you think depression is cured by relocation to Ames, Iowa, perhaps you should re-evaluate how much you think you know about depression.

As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong. 

One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying).  Is to change your environment.  To give yourself a fresh start.

Deonte was very clear in why he left. 

Regarding defense and play.  The knock against him by NBA scouts was that he was wildly inconsistent and lacked a professional approach.  That he only tried when he wanted to.  That leads to a flashy steal/block here and there, but a massive liability the majority of the time.  So NBA scouts disagree with you too.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Oh good, Ners is back once again endlessly arguing the same topics from four seasons ago.  Joy.

[GGGG]

As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong. 

One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying).  Is to change your environment.  To give yourself a fresh start.

Deonte was very clear in why he left. 

Regarding defense and play.  The knock against him by NBA scouts was that he was wildly inconsistent and lacked a professional approach.  That he only tried when he wanted to.  That leads to a flashy steal/block here and there, but a massive liability the majority of the time.  So NBA scouts disagree with you too.

Yep.

[Galway Eagle]

Can we save this guy some time and ban him again now before he ruins the board for the second time?

[Newsdreams]

As is par for the course for you, you are completely wrong. 

One of the first recommendations for people suffering depressions, particularly if related to a specific event (like your Mother dying).  Is to change your environment.  To give yourself a fresh start.

Deonte was very clear in why he left. 

Regarding defense and play.  The knock against him by NBA scouts was that he was wildly inconsistent and lacked a professional approach.  That he only tried when he wanted to.  That leads to a flashy steal/block here and there, but a massive liability the majority of the time.  So NBA scouts disagree with you too.

Correct, exactly right about depression