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Quote from: DCHoopster on September 08, 2018, 08:13:34 AM
Another point I like is that Buzz tried to recruit him as well.  Buzz found under the radar type players for MU and some turned out pretty good, Crowder and Butler.

Joe Fulce was a tipoff specialist.

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brewcity77

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2018, 08:28:26 AM
And what about high school "under the radar" players? I can think of 1. That's not a very good ratio.

Yeah, Buzz's HS track record here wasn't very good, whether on or under the radar. I have more faith in Wojo, who has at least found high-major contributors outside the top-100 in Heldt, Anim, Elliott, & John.

DCHoopster

Buzz was more into the JC market as that is where he came from.   Wojo best recruiting move was getting Stan Johnson.  Stan getting two top 75 kids was huge.
Now getting Bailey might help in getting Mannion.  Not sure how this will play out, Grimes was a game changer and it sounds like Nico is as well.  Still do not believe
the kid will be one and done.  One point about Arizona, they have a nice campus to recruit to, but has Sean Miller really a good coach?  Best player in the draft, did
they make the Final 4?  NO, then for 2 years lost 2 Bo Ryan.  He gets talented kids that is for sure, but do they play together?  We will see this year how Wojo handles
a experienced time.  I believe you can only give 8 players good minutes and he has 11.  It will be interesting.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: brewcity77 on September 08, 2018, 10:08:17 AM
Yeah, Buzz's HS track record here wasn't very good, whether on or under the radar. I have more faith in Wojo, who has at least found high-major contributors outside the top-100 in Heldt, Anim, Elliott, & John.
Agreed. Not to quibble but wasn't Heldt just inside the top 100?

Galway Eagle

Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 08, 2018, 10:34:44 AM
Agreed. Not to quibble but wasn't Heldt just inside the top 100?

No. If I recall there was a service that had him as a four star top 150 or 200 but he wasn't a top 100
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Floorslapper

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2018, 08:28:26 AM
And what about high school "under the radar" players? I can think of 1. That's not a very good ratio.

End of the day, regardless of the player's background coming into MU, Buzz got the job done.  Plain and simple.  Results speak for themselves.

Wojo and staff have done a better job with their high school recruiting than Buzz did at MU, but we now need to see the manifestation of that on the court.

I like Akanno and I like that Buzz wanted him too.

jesmu84

Quote from: Floorslapper on September 08, 2018, 11:28:06 AM
End of the day, regardless of the player's background coming into MU, Buzz got the job done.  Plain and simple.  Results speak for themselves.

Wojo and staff have done a better job with their high school recruiting than Buzz did at MU, but we now need to see the manifestation of that on the court.

I like Akanno and I like that Buzz wanted him too.

Lol. SO predictable. Praise Buzz, bash Wojo.

Nevermind that the quote post was about Buzz finding "under the radar" players, then naming 2 Jucos, while speaking about a high school recruit. And I pointed out Buzz didn't find that many "under the radar" high school players, relative to the amount recruited/committed. Therefore, Buzz's interest in a high school recruit wouldn't be a huge deal. Fake News, right?

But continue with your standard song and dance.

Floorslapper

Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2018, 12:40:14 PM
Lol. SO predictable. Praise Buzz, bash Wojo.

Nevermind that the quote post was about Buzz finding "under the radar" players, then naming 2 Jucos, while speaking about a high school recruit. And I pointed out Buzz didn't find that many "under the radar" high school players, relative to the amount recruited/committed. Therefore, Buzz's interest in a high school recruit wouldn't be a huge deal. Fake News, right?

But continue with your standard song and dance.

Let it go dude.  I didn't bash Wojo in the post.  Have been complimentary of Wojo this whole offseason.  He's assembled a really talented roster and doing well on the recruiting trail.  Now we just need to see him also execute on the X's and O's and prove out his in-game coaching chops.  Top 25 this year and I'll be very pleased.


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Quote from: MuMark on September 06, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
Long combo guard........Wojo saw him when they played against Mannion's AAU team. Supposed to be an excellent defender.....played for an unaffiliated AAU team so under the radar.

Buzz also offered.

I think it's safe to assume with commitments from Joe,  Koby and now this kid the days of playing 2 midget guards are over.

That's about all I got for now.......I'm sure we will learn more.

Might be a great redshirt candidate next season.

Seems like a nice pickup and the fact that Buzz was after this kid too says a lot.  Didn't Wojo find Sacar in a similar fashion?  I vaguely remember reading Wojo was at a tournament to watch Ellenson after he had already committed, saw Sacar in another game put up almost 40 pts and offered him a scholarship on the spot even though he'd never even heard of him prior or something to that effect.  Dexter's recruiting seems similar so if he's comparable to Sacar, who while not a superstar, has proven to be a viable high major contributor, it certainly won't be a wasted scholarship.

Jay Bee

MU is in a position where "taking a risk" on a guy is perfectly fine. This roster is so flippin loaded
The portal is NOT closed.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: PTMannion on September 08, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
Joe Fulce was a tipoff specialist.

Before his third or fourth knee surgery, Joe was a stud - JFF and JFB would have been quite a tandem.


Loose Cannon

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JakeBarnes

Quote from: wade_county37 on September 11, 2018, 01:15:21 AM
Dexter Akanno handpicked by the legendary Steve Nash! Awesome Give and Go videos... no Marquette mention though. ;)  Doesn't get any better seeing him working on his passing and basketball IQ with Nash.

Give & Go Playlist
Ep 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8f5yZyQITw&list=PL9vlh0JhlKMVAP7GPsJ_oQWKKKNKHULAL&index=1
Ep 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRtNheNlS8&list=PL9vlh0JhlKMVAP7GPsJ_oQWKKKNKHULAL&index=2
Ep 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6SXKULQ-Es&list=PL9vlh0JhlKMVAP7GPsJ_oQWKKKNKHULAL&index=3
Ep 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrIFbnQE4Uo&index=6&list=PL9vlh0JhlKMVAP7GPsJ_oQWKKKNKHULAL

Steve Nash's channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKeEmKSP_31lzVnmazePfuA

Hard not to get excited. Dexter sounds like a really great addition to our program and will bring a nice defensive edge and IQ to an already exciting team.
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MUBigDance

So what do you guys think is the criteria for Redshirt?

He seems like a good candidate...a developing talent...especially at MU that has so many with "minutes" potential. MU almost too long a bench.
But you don't want to discourage someone...he's coming here to play.

There's also the "Not-everyone-makes-the-NBA-so-its-good-to-get-some-education-and-maturity-and-life-lessons-during-the-best-years-of-your-life-at-MU" redshirt factor...

Loose Cannon

Quote from: MUBigDance on September 11, 2018, 05:14:22 PM
So what do you guys think is the criteria for Redshirt?

He seems like a good candidate...a developing talent...especially at MU that has so many with "minutes" potential. MU almost too long a bench.
But you don't want to discourage someone...he's coming here to play.

There's also the "Not-everyone-makes-the-NBA-so-its-good-to-get-some-education-and-maturity-and-life-lessons-during-the-best-years-of-your-life-at-MU" redshirt factor...

I think he has/will have too much talent when he come on campus next year to be redshirted.  I'm trying to figure out what his recruiting ranking will be at the end of his senior year.  Should be interesting to track during this season.
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Herman Cain

Quote from: MUBigDance on September 11, 2018, 05:14:22 PM
So what do you guys think is the criteria for Redshirt?

He seems like a good candidate...a developing talent...especially at MU that has so many with "minutes" potential. MU almost too long a bench.
But you don't want to discourage someone...he's coming here to play.

There's also the "Not-everyone-makes-the-NBA-so-its-good-to-get-some-education-and-maturity-and-life-lessons-during-the-best-years-of-your-life-at-MU" redshirt factor...
Dexter has as much talent as any of the other 2019 high major recruits. Every freshman in college team sports faces the same issue, adjusting to the pace of play at the higher level. If Dexter can acclimate to that quickly the way a kid like Greg Elliott did, he will get plenty of playing time. If it takes him a while like it took Sacar, then maybe there will be a redshirt discussion between him and the coaches. He has already proved he could straight up guard a player of Nico Mannions ability which got him recruited. We have also seen that he has very deep range on his three pointer, if the rules change to a longer 3 point distance, that may be in his favor. I am very enthusiastic about Dexter's prospects at MU and in the Big East over time.
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MU82

Blair has produced a lot of studs over the years.

It's logical to assume he will improve during his season there ... and he might be too good to redshirt!
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DCHoopster

Quote from: MUBigDance on September 11, 2018, 05:14:22 PM
So what do you guys think is the criteria for Redshirt?

He seems like a good candidate...a developing talent...especially at MU that has so many with "minutes" potential. MU almost too long a bench.
But you don't want to discourage someone...he's coming here to play.

There's also the "Not-everyone-makes-the-NBA-so-its-good-to-get-some-education-and-maturity-and-life-lessons-during-the-best-years-of-your-life-at-MU" redshirt factor...

At this point, I doubt he wants to come to MU and redshirt, I am sure that was not even discussed.  Now once he gets to MU and the staff sees he will not play then
maybe.   But you do not recruit a kid to redshirt.  Every player thinks he is good enough to start or why recruit him.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: DCHoopster on September 12, 2018, 08:44:37 AM
At this point, I doubt he wants to come to MU and redshirt, I am sure that was not even discussed.  Now once he gets to MU and the staff sees he will not play then
maybe.   But you do not recruit a kid to redshirt.  Every player thinks he is good enough to start or why recruit him.
Except at Wisconsin, where 60% of the kids seem to take a non-injury redshirt.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

I think redshirts are criminally underused in college basketball.

That being said, I think its way too early to speculate on a redshirt for a player that won't be playing his first game for another 14 months.
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4everwarriors

Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2018, 10:09:21 PM
Blair has produced a lot of studs over the years.

It's logical to assume he will improve during his season there ... and he might be too good to redshirt!


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brewcity77

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on September 12, 2018, 09:26:33 AM
I think redshirts are criminally underused in college basketball.

That being said, I think its way too early to speculate on a redshirt for a player that won't be playing his first game for another 14 months.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

Honestly, I think we should have 2-3 players redshirting each season if possible. Provides practice depth, gives players time to grow and acclimate to the system, and increases your roster usage with guys that aren't complaining about how many minutes they got.

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