Hardship Granted to Cheatham

[Golden Avalanche]

True, the frosh received a great opportunity. and that helped their development.  Though, Haani was missed in certain games like GA.  Maybe it can't be proved, but doubt that it would have hurt.

Feet must be aching with all that goalpost shifting.

[Nukem2]

Feet must be aching with all that goalpost shifting.

??   I've been very consistent on Haani.  We did miss him.  Though it did give the frosh more opportunities.  No shifting here.

[Jay Bee]

Comparing HC freshman campaign to Greg, Jamal, and Theo, Haanif had the best one, and after one year I thought he would have the biggest impact out of anyone in his clas do.

I mean.. Haani played more and was more involved in the offense (which was a bad offense, driven partly by turnovers). Did he have 'the best freshman campaign'?

ORtg: 101.1 vs 116.0; Usage: 20.4% vs. 13.4%; eFG%: 54.3% vs. 55.6%; OR%: 1.6% vs. 4.5%; DR: 10.8% vs. 11.3%; TO%: 24.4% vs. 19.9%; blk% 0.1% vs. 4.0%; stl%: 1.9% vs. 2.7%

Those are numbers from the respective freshmen years of Haani (first) and Greg (second). I'd lean toward Greg just based on the data above, HOWEVER, when you look at only conference games or only against better competition (defining here as KenPom Tier A+B), the results are clearly that Greg was better.. not even close.

The facts are that Haani feasted on bad competition and struggled against good teams.

Disclaimer: The in-person eye test was only utilized for a few games.

btw, Nukem's "were you there? were you there??!?!" crap is so dumb. In some sports, such as football, it's a little more relevant... if a basketball game is televised, you see so much movement of guys without the ball... mostly just missing the after-the-whistle stuff... the truth is for college basketball I often get more out of watching on TV than being at the game - much easier to analyze and get a good view.

Newest meme tourney entry: EYE TEST

[Its DJOver]

I mean.. Haani played more and was more involved in the offense (which was a bad offense, driven partly by turnovers). Did he have 'the best freshman campaign'?

ORtg: 101.1 vs 116.0; Usage: 20.4% vs. 13.4%; eFG%: 54.3% vs. 55.6%; OR%: 1.6% vs. 4.5%; DR: 10.8% vs. 11.3%; TO%: 24.4% vs. 19.9%; blk% 0.1% vs. 4.0%; stl%: 1.9% vs. 2.7%

You definitely know more about advanced stats than me, so I'm sure you're right, but I was just looking at the game log.  Greg's career high in scoring is 13 and he didn't get that until conference play, in fact he didn't score more than 7 points in non conference.  Haani's career high was 24, and he broke the 20 point barrier 3 other times (3 of 4 20+ point games also came in conference).  Haani also had significantly fewer goose eggs and 2 point games (Greg had 21 games where he scored 4 or fewer points, compared to 4 for Haani).  Now a lot of that can be attributed to the fact that Haani shot more, because he was on a worse team.

In terms of Nukems scientifically proven eye test, scoring is a lot more important than a high eFG%.  Regardless, both had good Freshman campaigns, and Gregs improvement during the season supports my optimism that he is less likely to hit the "Sophomore Wall". 

[Nukem2]

btw, Nukem's "were you there? were you there??!?!" crap is so dumb. In some sports, such as football, it's a little more relevant... if a basketball game is televised, you see so much movement of guys without the ball... mostly just missing the after-the-whistle stuff... the truth is for college basketball I often get more out of watching on TV than being at the game - much easier to analyze and get a good view.

Oh, TV certainly has its many benefits, especially with replays and clarifications that announcers get from the refs that the fans in the stand don't get.  Off the ball stuff is harder to catch on TV in process.  To be fair, I was speaking in context of the GA game within this thread particularly as to physicality of their guards on and off the ball. Haanif could have made a big difference in that game, particularly on defense, due to his size and length against the rather mediocre (though physical) GA guards.  In any event, wish Haanif well and glad that he got the waiver.  Is it November yet"  Lets Go Warriors.

[Lennys Tap]

I mean.. Haani played more and was more involved in the offense (which was a bad offense, driven partly by turnovers). Did he have 'the best freshman campaign'?

ORtg: 101.1 vs 116.0; Usage: 20.4% vs. 13.4%; eFG%: 54.3% vs. 55.6%; OR%: 1.6% vs. 4.5%; DR: 10.8% vs. 11.3%; TO%: 24.4% vs. 19.9%; blk% 0.1% vs. 4.0%; stl%: 1.9% vs. 2.7%

Those are numbers from the respective freshmen years of Haani (first) and Greg (second). I'd lean toward Greg just based on the data above, HOWEVER, when you look at only conference games or only against better competition (defining here as KenPom Tier A+B), the results are clearly that Greg was better.. not even close.

The facts are that Haani feasted on bad competition and struggled against good teams.

+1000. Haanif played lots of minutes as a freshman (too many IMHO) but wasn't very good. He fits at FGCU's level, not the Big East's.

[Its DJOver]

+1000. Haanif played lots of minutes as a freshman (too many IMHO) but wasn't very good. He fits at FGCU's level, not the Big East's.

Disagree.  Yes, his advanced numbers aren't as good as Elliotts are, but he was still a top 100 recruit, playing out of position, that averaged almost 12 points a game on a 20 win team in the Big East.  Looking past his Freshman year, you can say that his drop off is extremely disappointing, but just looking at his Freshman year (which is what the comparison is), a lot of people were very excited about his future at MU.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=50982.0
A lot of excitement for Hanni here.

[JakeBarnes]

Glad he will get to play from the get-go. I wish nothing but the best for him and health for his family.

[MU82]

I am rooting for Haani to do well for his new team.

But I admit I'll be a little ticked off if he shows up there with the ability to drive right and finish right-handed!

Many of us assumed he would at least make some strides toward doing that as a soph, but he never really got a right hand and actually regressed going his natural way, missing lots of layups. Ugh.

[4everwarriors]

Nothin' bedder on a Wednesday nite in August wen the Pontiff and the Quon Grump clash keyboards, aina?

[Herman Cain]

Nothin' bedder on a Wednesday nite in August wen the Pontiff and the Quon Grump clash keyboards, aina?

https://twitter.com/itsgabrielleu/status/1031954696833912833

[Billy Hoyle]

Less. It's just bigger news when it happens now because it's rarer. It used to happen all the time and we wouldn't hear about 99% of them because it was more common.

The NCAA went away from them for the past few years but now relaxed the standards to what they were pre 2014.