Froling Gone

[tower912]

Sorry it didn't work out.  I thought he would be a difference maker.   Every now and again there would be a flash.  A dribble drive and dunk.  A really nice pass.  A tough rebound.  But he was slow defensively, particularly in space.  And there just aren't minutes for a third center.   Good luck, young man.  Seemed like a good kid.

[tower912]

Now the intrigue :  What DO we do with TWO?

 Plan A  Best case scenario.
 Plan B
 Plan C
 Plan D

Start a thread.  But I like glow 's take in the recruiting thread.

[GGGG]

Honestly I think one of the biggest factors working against Harry was the midseason transfer.  You don't have time to log minutes and prove yourself against cupcakes and Wojo rightly was not interested in experimenting in a one possession game at Providence or Seton Hall.  Knew this was probably coming but I still wish he had stayed as I think he never really got comfortable.  Now go get someone good to fill the spot!

Luke was a midseason transfer and looked just fine from day one.

[tower912]

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Guess I was a little early.

I think most here suspected you would be in the end.   And most suspected it didn't or wouldn't go down exactly like you had been told.  But he gowne.

[patso]

I thought this guy was going to help us elevate another level. Good luck to him but he was not this year's springboard to success for whatever reason.

[mu_hilltopper]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/01/10/smu-transfer-harry-froling-picks-marquette/96388088/

(At SMU) Froling was disappointed with his role under Jankovich. He averaged 4.3 points and 3.2 rebounds in 14.6 minutes per game, appearing in 10 contests.

Ooops.  Grass is always greener.

[patso]

Froling had a lot of playing time when he got here  and the team was urging him to do more. He just did not bring it.

[Dr. Blackheart]

One and dones under Wojo:
Harry, Wally, Carlino, Henry, Katin, Steve Taylor.

None and Dones:  Gabe, Nick, Toddler

6 Months and Dones:  Magic, Deonte

1.5 and Dones: Traci and Sandy

Next season is Wojo's year with his roster.  That's a lot of quick turnover and not all bad as he builds his roster ...but the clock is running as it is all his guys now.

[GooooMarquette]

Probably works out best for both parties. Best of luck, Harry!

[onepost]

Waiting for the Dude that he was a difference maker to speak up about Harry.

Crickets.

You may be referring to me.  I think Tower stated it perfectly a few posts ago, but I thought Harry would be awesome here.  I saw a big man who could stretch the floor and had a really nice stroke given his size.  After his year of getting in shape I was even more bullish on Harry, but as has already been mentioned, he just didn't have the drive.  He'd show flashes to get you excited, knock down a couple threes, make a really nice move in the post, but nothing materialized.  It seemed like his teammates wanted it more for him than he himself.

Sucks it didn't work out, cause I thought he could have added a crazy dimension to this program, but I'll happily admit when I'm wrong.  Fortunately we are loaded in the front court and can bring in a grad transfer and best transfer available this offseason.

[mu_hilltopper]

What's this from .. 90 days ago ..

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=55033.0

[tower912]

Man,did coach Carawell  mislead us. 

[Newsdreams]

Luke was a midseason transfer and looked just fine from day one.

I know it sounds like an excuse but I believe that foot injury put him at a big disadvantage, he missed like 2-3 months of practice. Did not have a chance to gel with the team, he looked lost. Can't really blame Wojo, why not go after a 6-11 guy who was a top 100 recruit.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You may be referring to me. 

Jay Bilas seemed to think so too

[Otule's Glass Eye]

I actually saw Harry tonight around 6 in the Apple store in Mayfair while I was getting my phone fixed, he was wearing MU gear and looking at iPhones and I was surprised to get on here to find out this news broke before I even saw him there. Best of luck to the kid

[MU82]

Jay Bilas seemed to think so too

I thought this as I read some Scoopers trashing those who initially were high on Froling.

Bilas is a pretty darn good analyst. He thought Froling was going to excel for us. He was wrong. It happens.

Froling was a 6-10, 6-11 kid with a decent shot and a nice nose for defensive rebounds. He was recruited by Larry Brown. He absolutely was worth a flyer.

He went 9 and 7 in his second game, had 8 rebs vs. X in his third game and there weren't a whole lot of Scoopers who were predicting he'd be garbage then.

He had a 3-game stretch midway through the conference season in which he averaged 8-6-2 while playing 23 mpg and shooting 69% to work his way into the starting lineup. He looked like he'd be at least as good as Heldt, who was benched.

That turned out to be the beginning of the end, though. Harry struggled mightily, was benched and never really regained his footing.

Still, he did hit two crucial 3's against Georgetown when the other bigs were in foul trouble. His teammates were telling him to shoot it, and they seemed absolutely thrilled for him. There was no faking how they felt about him.

So despite it all, he did make some good memories during his short time at MU - at least I hope that's how he feels.

[The Lens]

The Aussie Niv Berkowitz

There are REALLY big Marquette fans who don’t remember Terry Sanders or Todd Townsend but know exactly who Niv is. 

[mr.MUskie]

Let me say this though.  All indications are that Harry worked hard, did what he was told, and was a good teammate.  We all wish him future success.  #mubb

Agreed. Good luck, Harry.

[connie]

Let me say this though.  All indications are that Harry worked hard, did what he was told, and was a good teammate.  We all wish him future success.  #mubb

Always looked like he was a class act personally.  Good Luck Harry.

[NickelDimer]

I thought this as I read some Scoopers trashing those who initially were high on Froling.

Bilas is a pretty darn good analyst. He thought Froling was going to excel for us. He was wrong. It happens.

Froling was a 6-10, 6-11 kid with a decent shot and a nice nose for defensive rebounds. He was recruited by Larry Brown. He absolutely was worth a flyer.

He went 9 and 7 in his second game, had 8 rebs vs. X in his third game and there weren't a whole lot of Scoopers who were predicting he'd be garbage then.

He had a 3-game stretch midway through the conference season in which he averaged 8-6-2 while playing 23 mpg and shooting 69% to work his way into the starting lineup. He looked like he'd be at least as good as Heldt, who was benched.

That turned out to be the beginning of the end, though. Harry struggled mightily, was benched and never really regained his footing.

Still, he did hit two crucial 3's against Georgetown when the other bigs were in foul trouble. His teammates were telling him to shoot it, and they seemed absolutely thrilled for him. There was no faking how they felt about him.

So despite it all, he did make some good memories during his short time at MU - at least I hope that's how he feels.

I’m thinking a large part of Bilas’ opinion on Froling was taken from Wojo’s opinion of Froling

[Pakuni]

Hot take alert

Not just a hot take, but a bad take
If Harry is Wojo's worst miss on the recruiting trail, I can live with that. No coach bats 1.000.
Lest we forget, the two previous coaches gave scholies to the likes of Kevin Menard, Bret Roseboro, Yousoupha Mbao and Niv Berkowitz.

[peterpan]

Harry was a nice kid who just lacked the motor to become an effective player in the big east.

Loved his consoling of rowsey at the big east tournament when he had known he was already long gone. Best of lucky, harry!

[brewcity77]

Not just a hot take, but a bad take
If Harry is Wojo's worst miss on the recruiting trail, I can live with that. No coach bats 1.000.
Lest we forget, the two previous coaches gave scholies to the likes of Kevin Menard, Bret Roseboro, Yousoupha Mbao and Niv Berkowitz.

+1

And to be fair, Harry did have some skills that no other big here had. His rebounding, passing, and even shooting was better than anyone else at the 5. His lack of defense and maybe being a step too slow prevented that from being enough.

[Jay Bee]

Our roster build is such that him leaving doesn't put us in a bind... we're fine.

But, I refute the claim that he was a bust with little to no hope going forward... he gave us a look that Matt and Theo didn't.

Plus-rebounder, good size, with the ability on offense to face up and shoot from outside, as well as distribute.

There's a good chance he could have become a nice piece over the next two years. Would have been happy to see him stay.

[Anti-Dentite]

Our roster build is such that him leaving doesn't put us in a bind... we're fine.

But, I refute the claim that he was a bust with little to no hope going forward... he gave us a look that Matt and Theo didn't.

Plus-rebounder, good size, with the ability on offense to face up and shoot from outside, as well as distribute.

There's a good chance he could have become a nice piece over the next two years. Would have been happy to see him stay.

Agree.