Grades

[#UnleashSean]

Thats about how i graded it.  Sure they are our team but they also came in 7th out of 10 teams n went to the nit fir a reason.

For the peopke throwing out all the As, if rowsey us an A what do brunson, cartwright n carrington get

A's with a much better supporting cast.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

For the peopke throwing out all the As, if rowsey us an A what do brunson, cartwright n carrington get?
Sacar an A what do desi, khyri thomas and bridges get?
Our players for whatever reasons were some of the worst at their pisition inbthe BE.  We came in 7th for a reason

Brunson is an A+

Cartwright and Carrington's seasons were similar to or worse than Rowdy's

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sammy: A
Rowsey: B+ (A+ offense, D defense)
Howard: B+
Sacar: C+
Elliott: C
Heldt: C
Cain: C-
Theo: C-
Froling: D

I don't weight based on age or preseason expectations. They also look at the entire season, not just where they ended up. If all three freshmen played all season like they did at the end of the season, they would have much higher grades, Sacar probably up a little bit too.

[peterpan]

Sammy: A
Rowsey: B+ (A+ offense, D defense)
Howard: B+
Sacar: C+
Elliott: C
Heldt: C
Cain: C-
Theo: C-
Froling: D

I don't weight based on age or preseason expectations. They also look at the entire season, not just where they ended up. If all three freshmen played all season like they did at the end of the season, they would have much higher grades, Sacar probably up a little bit too.

Say a "B" is a solid high major player. It was be hard to argue MU had more than three of them on this roster. Nice kids and hope they develop but like others have mentioned that relative to their competition it'd be hard to give them higher grades than this.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Brunson is an A+

Cartwright and Carrington's seasons were similar to or worse than Rowdy's

Thats because u simply gocus on offense.  Some nights like tonight Rowsey was better but in most nights he gave up more than he scored.  Cartwright and carringtons defensive abilities are patially why they danced n we didnt

[warriorchick]

Thats because u simply gocus on offense.  Some nights like tonight Rowsey was better but in most nights he gave up more than he scored.  Cartwright and carringtons defensive abilities are patially why they danced n we didnt

Speaking of English grades.. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Say a "B" is a solid high major player. It was be hard to argue MU had more than three of them on this roster. Nice kids and hope they develop but like others have mentioned that relative to their competition it'd be hard to give them higher grades than this.

For me, a "C" is a solid high major role player. A "B" is a solid high major starter. An "A" is an all conference level player. We had a stud, two players between stud and starter, but then a bunch of role players.

Next season, I expect the stud to remain studly. The starter+ to move towards stud territory. At least two of the role players to develop into starters, and the lower role players to become more solid role players. I also think that Morrow and Joey will both come in around starter level. Bailey a solid role player, and Ike a wild card. Add a grad transfer PG to that and I'm feeling really good about next season.

[5DollarPitcher]

Sorry but the OPs grades are an fin joke!! So are towers.  I guess we just wanna give these guys all A's for effort??!!
Wtf??!!

1. Rowsey C+.  Scored like a machine lpositive, passed very well.  Negatives fouled too much, couldnt guard his man, turned the ball over way too much, at times very poor decision maker, inconsistant, 7th best starting PG in BE

2. Howard B-.  Shoots the ball really well.  Negatives very bad ball handler, poor rebounder, bad passer, terrible defender.  Defensive effort follows how his shooting is going, questionable on taking bad shots

3. Sacar C.  Good driver.
Negatives - avergae defender, below average ft shooter, bad 3 point shooter , poor rebounder.  Much improved but still not very good. Worst 3 in the BE?

4. Hauser A-.  Great shooter, very good passer. Decent rebounder.  Negs needs to get stronger lacks lateral quickness n avg athleticism hurts him defensively.

5. Heldt C.  Pretty solid defender. Great Ft shooter. Solid screener. Solid jump hook Negs not very athletic, not very strong, not a strong finisher, not a strong rebounder.

3 Freshman B.  Not all freshman team type seasons but i do like their toughness their length and their size.  Need to add strength but if the commitment is their they could be 3 really solid player by their junior seasons.

Froling D-.  Would give him a straight F is it didnt look like he might be able to make some shots and he did make two against Creighton?? Other than that he was an unathletic kitten. Zero toughness. I would want tough guys on my team and he exudes none of that quality.

This is the most accurate, although I would make the following changes:

Markus: C+
Sacar: B-
Heldt: B-
Wojo: C

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Thats because u simply gocus on offense.  Some nights like tonight Rowsey was better but in most nights he gave up more than he scored.  Cartwright and carringtons defensive abilities are patially why they danced n we didnt

Nope. I'm one of the few who play close attention to both sides of the ball.

Carrington is a subpar defender (38th percentile in ppp). Cartwright is an average defender (49th percentile). Both disruptive but not so much so that I would label either a good defender. Much better than Rowdy obviously, but his offense was that much better than theirs to have at least a comparable if not better season than either of them.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is the most accurate, although I would make the following changes:

Markus: C+
Sacar: B-
Heldt: B-
Wojo: C

By what possible logic are Sacar and Heldt better players than Howard? (Not necessarily picking on you, I've seen it a couple of places). Are you grading on your preseason expectations? The kid was 2nd team All Big East.

[GooooMarquette]

Speaking of English grades..

That was English?

[Floorslapper]

Rowsey A
Sam A
Howard B+
Elliot B+
Sacar B+
Cain B
Matt Heldt B
Theo B
Froling C
Cam A
Ike - Incomplete

Wojo C+

We had a team that for the most part played hard every game and every possession . They had some physical limits that made certain match ups tough. However, they also used their extraordinary 3 point shooting ability to their advantage whenever they could. We won 60 percent of our games playing a strong schedule .  A solid season overall.

Well done Herm. 

Except Froling = D

Wojo = C

[Pakuni]

The guy who just set the single-season scoring record gets a "C" from some of you?
SHEESH.

[MU82]

AR-30 - D-.
Markus - D-.
Sam - D-.
Heldt - F.
Sacar - F.
Cain - F.
Elliott - F.
Theo - F+ish.
Froling - F-.
Haani - C+ (smart enough to get out of Dodge).

Wojo - F-----.

There. I think that covers it.

Worst coach ever got nothing out of the crap he brought to the greatest basketball school in the nation.

Wait ... is it too late to change AR, Markus and Sam to F's, too?

So tired of sucking. They'd better fix this next season ... OR ELSE!

[MU86NC]

The guy who just set the single-season scoring record gets a "C" from some of you?
SHEESH.

I think his defense was so poor that many nights it couldn't overcome his offensive production... he won games for us but lost more.  I don't think we will miss him next year.

[Floorslapper]

I think his defense was so poor that many nights it couldn't overcome his offensive production... he won games for us but lost more.  I don't think we will miss him next year.

Scoop Takes?  All time single season scoring leader, with a 28.6% Assist Rate, 16.4% TO Rate, and next year as of now we only have Markus as PG option?  Should that be the case, Markus will miss Rowsey the most, with Sam a close second.  Markus's best position is off the ball.

[Mutaman]

AR-30 - D-.
Markus - D-.
Sam - D-.
Heldt - F.
Sacar - F.
Cain - F.
Elliott - F.
Theo - F+ish.
Froling - F-.
Haani - C+ (smart enough to get out of Dodge).

Wojo - F-----.

There. I think that covers it.

Worst coach ever got nothing out of the crap he brought to the greatest basketball school in the nation.

Wait ... is it too late to change AR, Markus and Sam to F's, too?

So tired of sucking. They'd better fix this next season ... OR ELSE!

[Jockey]

Sammy: A
Rowsey: B+ (A+ offense, D defense)
Howard: B+
Sacar: C+
Elliott: C
Heldt: C
Cain: C-
Theo: C-
Froling: D

I don't weight based on age or preseason expectations. They also look at the entire season, not just where they ended up. If all three freshmen played all season like they did at the end of the season, they would have much higher grades, Sacar probably up a little bit too.

I wanted to make fun of all of this grading until you came along. I think you are spot on.

Maybe add 1/2 a grade to Cain and Theo based solely on the improvement they made from 1st game to last game. They were D- to F at start of season and showed huge improvement to the point that they will be a big part of our future for the next 4 years.

[5DollarPitcher]

By what possible logic are Sacar and Heldt better players than Howard? (Not necessarily picking on you, I've seen it a couple of places). Are you grading on your preseason expectations? The kid was 2nd team All Big East.

I don't think these grades can be standardized in the way you're suggesting. I'm grading each player on how they filled their role on the team. Heldt and Sacar filled their roles markedly better than Howard did his this year.  Same reason, I'm sure, why OP gave Cam Marotta an A.

To support my approach, if we can say each player and the head coach filled their roles at an A level I think this is an Elite Eight or Sweet Sixteen team which is as much as you can reasonably expect with the makeup of our team in today's NCAA (we have nowhere near the skill or talent of a 2015 Wisconsin team).

[1SE]

I don't think these grades can be standardized in the way you're suggesting. I'm grading each player on how they filled their role on the team.

Some of you must be a lot of fun to hang out with at a bar - it's some anonymous takes by a casual fan on a message board - have some fun!

5Dollar, TAMU and a few others got what I was doing  - basically grading each player based on their role/expectation. Otherwise clearly Markus, Rowsey and Sam are the best players on the team, Cam the worst. I also didn't really weight for injuries (or Sam and Elliot would have been higher (and maybe Markus).

Ironically, I am a college professor, so maybe there's something to the grade inflation charge, but if you don't think of the grades in the context of the BE, but instead of all D1 players and I'd say even "unweighted" by expectation/role they're pretty close (maybe I was a bit high on the freshmen, but it's important to give them good grades to keep "progression rates" high). By and large, all of our individual players (excepting Harry) did what we asked them to do this year. This isn't a bad group of basketball players. I think the overall grades average to B/B- which, as a team, seems reasonable for a bubble/high-NIT seed team. On the overall distribution, a team with "B" talent should just about make the NCAA as an at large. As I've mentioned lots of places, I think a better coach than Wojo could have gotten this talent into the NCAA (it wouldn't have taken much).

[dgies9156]

OK inflated graders, let's deal with reality.

The major part off the coursework was the Big East schedule. They were 9-9. At best, that means they were a "C" team. But they lose points for losing to DePaul and St. Johns. That's as if they cut class for the mid-term.

The final exam was the Big East Tournament and Selection Sunday.  They flunked the final because they did not make the NCAA
.
The extra credit was the pre-season cupcakes. They got most of their points but lost to Georgia at home.

There is no curve here. Results are absolute. Yes, the predictions in the pre-season were that they would be what they were but we at Marquette don't grade on predictions. We grade on results.

Anyone out there who had Dr. Beach for ethics knows the concept of positive moral values. Here, it's positive basketball values, or the absolutes against which we judge our team. Once we grade the team, which was a C- at  best, we grade the individual components.
     

[willie warrior]

The only player who didn't meet or exceed expectations for me is Harry.     The freshmen got better.    Sam is so complete.   Sacar is night and day from where he was as a freshman.  They just didn't have enough size, particularly at guard.     The story of the season defensively is 5'10 guys guarding 6'5 guys.   PSU just took pages out of the Big East playbook tonight.    Isolate big guards on small guards.    Rowsey and Howard couldn't keep them out of the lane and everything followed from that.   

Players, collectively other than Harry: B.
Coaching:   B-   

The wojo Kool aid affect for a B- in coaching.

[Lighthouse 84]

Some  of you should be grateful that your college professors didn't grade you as tough as you are grading this team.

My guess is they did.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Sammy: A
Rowsey: B+ (A+ offense, D defense)
Howard: B+
Sacar: C+
Elliott: C
Heldt: C
Cain: C-
Theo: C-
Froling: D

I don't weight based on age or preseason expectations. They also look at the entire season, not just where they ended up. If all three freshmen played all season like they did at the end of the season, they would have much higher grades, Sacar probably up a little bit too.

I'd say you've nailed it here.  The only quibbles I might have is to bring both Theo and Jamal up to C's as I think they improved significantly towards the back third of the year.  Their B-'s on the final exam, if you will, earned them C's.  But pretty spot on assessment IMO.

EDIT: I see Jockey beat me to the exact same thoughts. 

[dgies9156]

One other thought about grades.

Let's suppose you had a job candidate who came to you full of personality, energy and enthusiasm. You sat down with her and, after a lengthy interview, you thought, "wow, this person is pretty good."  You  finish by asking her for a copy of her transcript from Marquette.

A week later, the official copy comes. She has a solid "C" average. But she did it by loading up on Horton Roe classes, speech classes and Theology of Marriage classes. She had a couple of "D"s in core classes that were red flags.

How many of you would hire her?

That's my point about our basketball team. There were a couple of bright spots. The team is likable. But the body of work was weak. We did not accomplish what other candidates did and so we were passed over.

What part of that performance merits a "B" or an "A"?