Loyola

[GoldenWarrior11]

The other factor to consider. for Val Ackerman and the other BE Presidents, is the long-term concern about DePaul's ability to create and maintain a successful men's basketball program by keeping its current administration in place and refusing to make a change.  In the Sun-Times, there was a full page ad on removing the athletic director, and representatives from the school dismissed the message as being from "only a few unhappy fans".  The frustration at DePaul has trickled onto the local radio, social media, and, by several accounts, donations.  It is truly bizarre that the school continues to defend its men's basketball program and preaches patience, when the team has not made a tournament in over 15 years, and has finished in last place in the Big East 6 of the past 8 years.

But, when you proclaim that your program is proud of its student-athletes and that its mission is not to be "Junior NBA", I guess you get what you get. 

[GGGG]

Loyola is different than George Mason, VCU, Wichita State and even Butler because Loyola has already won a national championship.  What if they win it all this year?  To simply dismiss Loyola out-of-hand because it is a "lucky" run is shortsighted.  Every single mid-major listed above that went on a long run ended up moving up conferences. 

The city of Chicago owns Wintrust.  What's to stop them from giving Loyola a handful of dates to play at Wintrust due to this run?

My guess is that the contract with DePaul prevents this.

[GoldenWarrior11]

A) beyond George mason each of those had real school support  before they made the final fours. It's not surprising that the schools that cared before are still doing well and the school that didn't is not.

B) The city does not own the Wintrust. The Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority own the Wintrust.

My mistake. 

[D'Lo Brown]

Loyola is different than George Mason, VCU, Wichita State and even Butler because Loyola has already won a national championship.  What if they win it all this year?  To simply dismiss Loyola out-of-hand because it is a "lucky" run is shortsighted.  Every single mid-major listed above that went on a long run ended up moving up conferences. 

The city of Chicago owns Wintrust.  What's to stop them from giving Loyola a handful of dates to play at Wintrust due to this run?

This is what I keep thinking. We can say one thing today but if they go and win it all, everything changes for their future. Could they become another Gonzaga? Why not?

[tower912]

If they win, it is the greatest run for an underdog since the 1980 US Olympic hockey team.  It will live forever.  But they will still be in the MVC .  Where are George Mason and VCU this year?

[GGGG]

This is what I keep thinking. We can say one thing today but if they go and win it all, everything changes for their future. Could they become another Gonzaga? Why not?

Could they?  Sure. Will they?  Doubtful. First what Gonzaga has done is extremely difficult. Second LUC looks more like a experienced team hitting on all cylinders at just the right time more than a future blue blood type. Let's see if they can hold onto the coach and prove that he can reload in the future.

[D'Lo Brown]

If they win, it is the greatest run for an underdog since the 1980 US Olympic hockey team.  It will live forever.  But they will still be in the MVC .  Where are George Mason and VCU this year?

Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference, which is a worse conference than the MVC. Your point?

Incidentally, the MVC was also rated higher than the A-10.

Just saying, the blueprint is certainly there for a team to rise and dominate a mid-major conference. The blueprint is even there in the MVC itself, left behind by Wichita St.

I have no idea what will happen to them in the long run, but I don't think we should just assume they are George Mason based solely on the fact that they came out of nowhere.

[Pakuni]

If they win, it is the greatest run for an underdog since the 1980 US Olympic hockey team.  It will live forever.  But they will still be in the MVC .  Where are George Mason and VCU this year?

It would be huge, but not quite the longest odds ever. It would be tied for sixth longest.
Longest?
2016 Leicester City, 5,000-1
1980 Olympic team, 1,000-1
2013 Auburn football, 1,000-1
2011 St. Louis Cardinals, 999-1
1987 Minnesota Twins, 500-1
1999 St. Louis Rams, 300-1
2018 Loyola Ramblers, 300-1?

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

 

It would be huge, but not quite the longest odds ever. It would be tied for sixth longest.
Longest?
2016 Leicester City, 5,000-1
1980 Olympic team, 1,000-1
2013 Auburn football, 1,000-1
2011 St. Louis Cardinals, 999-1
1987 Minnesota Twins, 500-1
1999 St. Louis Rams, 300-1
2018 Loyola Ramblers, 300-1?

Leicester City was ridiculous just because they had to do it for an entire 38 game season with 25% of the budget of most other teams.

[tower912]

It would be huge, but not quite the longest odds ever. It would be tied for sixth longest.
Longest?
2016 Leicester City, 5,000-1
1980 Olympic team, 1,000-1
2013 Auburn football, 1,000-1
2011 St. Louis Cardinals, 999-1
1987 Minnesota Twins, 500-1
1999 St. Louis Rams, 300-1
2018 Loyola Ramblers, 300-1?

Fair enough. 

[ATWizJr]

Under wojo we've gotten one player from Illinois by way of Nebraska. Under buzz we got 2 both of whom transferred out. not sure the Illinois pipeline is as open as we pretend.

maybe that's part of our problem. And if recruiting Chicago is no longer a priority, what was all the hullabaloo about getting some negative press with our BB program a few years back?

[jesmu84]

maybe that's part of our problem. And if recruiting Chicago is no longer a priority, what was all the hullabaloo about getting some negative press with our BB program a few years back?

Regardless of your recruiting location/pipeline, I'm pretty sure no administration/University wants negative national headlines.

[forgetful]

If Loyola were given the wintrust or even able to split it with Depaul and it was within a year or two I could see them being able to nab a class like the three amigos when we went to the Big East. You're right they couldnt be worse than Depaul at least in conference. Essentially this is a crossroads for them, do they try to build off this and turn themselves into a good program or do they go down as the School with the most efficient tournament success in history.

And what happens if they are in the BE and go 6-12 next year and 4-14 the year after?  They become no different than Depaul. 

If they were in the BE this year, they would have probably finished around the same place as Georgetown, maybe winning 1-2 more games than them.  They would have been out of the tournament and no one would be talking about them.

[MU82]

Loyola is different than George Mason, VCU, Wichita State and even Butler because Loyola has already won a national championship.

Kennedy was president then. The price of the average house was $12,650. The Dow was just above 700.

That championship is as material now as Wisconsin's in 1941 and CCNY's in 1950 are.

Loyola's program hasn't even kinda mattered for at least 3 decades.

Davidson (to name one of many) has a MUCH more viable basketball program. And it's a better school, too.

This is a cool, little story. A year from now, it will be all but forgotten. 25 years from now, the only way we'll remember it is that ESPN will do a 400 for 400 on it.

[Goose]

MU82

I disagree on remembering the Rambler run. This is something that many folks are going to remember and Sr. Jean is part ofthe reason. How the program looks in five years is anyone's guess,but odds of them being relevant down the road is not real high, IMO.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Kennedy was president then. The price of the average house was $12,650. The Dow was just above 700.

That championship is as material now as Wisconsin's in 1941 and CCNY's in 1950 are.

Loyola's program hasn't even kinda mattered for at least 3 decades.

Davidson (to name one of many) has a MUCH more viable basketball program. And it's a better school, too.

This is a cool, little story. A year from now, it will be all but forgotten. 25 years from now, the only way we'll remember it is that ESPN will do a 400 for 400 on it.

That Loyola championship has unfortunately been lost in the Hollywood story of Texas Western, but it was likely far more significant in term of racial integration.  Sadly, it is now termed as not "material". 

[WarriorDad]

A piece of information many of you may not have known.  The year Loyola won it all they played Marquette twice. The first game they beat the Warriors by 19 in Milwaukee.  The second game was played at Chicago Stadium and MU took Loyola to overtime before losing 92-90.

[4th and State]

And what happens if they are in the BE and go 6-12 next year and 4-14 the year after?  They become no different than Depaul. 

If they were in the BE this year, they would have probably finished around the same place as Georgetown, maybe winning 1-2 more games than them.  They would have been out of the tournament and no one would be talking about them.

Not sure I would agree with that.  They are so fundamentally strong, I think they would finish around 10-8 and maybe even better.  They certainly would have finished ahead of us.

[muwarrior69]

Kennedy was president then. The price of the average house was $12,650. The Dow was just above 700.

That championship is as material now as Wisconsin's in 1941 and CCNY's in 1950 are.

Loyola's program hasn't even kinda mattered for at least 3 decades.

Davidson (to name one of many) has a MUCH more viable basketball program. And it's a better school, too.

This is a cool, little story. A year from now, it will be all but forgotten. 25 years from now, the only way we'll remember it is that ESPN will do a 400 for 400 on it.

..or MU's in 77?

[dgies9156]

..or MU's in 77?

Dittooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[forgetful]

Not sure I would agree with that.  They are so fundamentally strong, I think they would finish around 10-8 and maybe even better.  They certainly would have finished ahead of us.

You are looking at a tournament run and extrapolating that back to the rest of the season. 

The same team lost to UWM and Missouri State (and Bradley).  Their best case scenario would have been a tie with us and Butler.  That would put their best case scenario of tying an MU team in a season many think was bad enough to fire our coach. 

People get excited about a cinderella team, and forget why they are a cinderella.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Also won at #5 Florida without one of their best players.

[MU82]

That Loyola championship has unfortunately been lost in the Hollywood story of Texas Western, but it was likely far more significant in term of racial integration.  Sadly, it is now termed as not "material".

Context, please.

It was not material relative to any measurement of the program's current or future status.

GoldenWarrior said "Loyola is different than George Mason, VCU, Wichita State and even Butler because Loyola has already won a national championship."

I don't think that "proves" Loyola is superior to those programs - just as our '77 championship doesn't prove we're a better program now than, say, Virginia or Gonzaga.

That's all I was saying.

Obviously, I know the historical importance of the '63 Ramblers (and Texas Western in '66).

[4th and State]

You are looking at a tournament run and extrapolating that back to the rest of the season. 

The same team lost to UWM and Missouri State (and Bradley).  Their best case scenario would have been a tie with us and Butler.  That would put their best case scenario of tying an MU team in a season many think was bad enough to fire our coach. 

People get excited about a cinderella team, and forget why they are a cinderella.

There are very few teams that don't have a bad loss or two over the course of the season.  They went 17-1 to end the season not including their NCAA tournament run.  I don't care who you are that's pretty damn good. 

[Dr. Blackheart]

Context, please.

It was not material relative to any measurement of the program's current or future status.

GoldenWarrior said "Loyola is different than George Mason, VCU, Wichita State and even Butler because Loyola has already won a national championship."

I don't think that "proves" Loyola is superior to those programs - just as our '77 championship doesn't prove we're a better program now than, say, Virginia or Gonzaga.

That's all I was saying.

Obviously, I know the historical importance of the '63 Ramblers (and Texas Western in '66).

Well, championships are maybe worth more than a trophy.  As you say, historically material.  I say forgotten. The Mississippi State team's stand was and is incredible...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1973795