Can Wojo finally...

[Its DJOver]

I won't comment any further.  Have the last word.

Here are some facts, since some of you can't let the issue drop:

Burton didn't start 1 game before transferring.  He played over 20 minutes in 1 of the 8 first games.  That's some real buy-in from a coach, right?

Whether it was Cohen that started in front of him, Juan, JJJ, Derrick - none of those guys were better players.  Any objective basketball fan would agree Burton was FAR better than any of these guys.

If the theory held true that "Wojo rides the hot hand," why in Game 4 against NJIT didn't Burton get more than 14 minutes with a 143 O-Rating, and 1 Personal Foul. What's the excuse made there?  He had foul trouble in one game, UT-Martin, no foul trouble in any of the others.  Why in the Wisconsin game where we scored a whopping 38 points did our most talented offensive player get 11 minutes?

Chew on those FACTS.

Hmmm...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

DePaul only loses Marin Maric and Tredarius McCallum.  That's not bad, especially with Strus and Cain back.  They could get to 7 or 8 wins and avoid playing on Wednesday in the BET next year.

True but McCallum and Maric are the only two players at DePaul who are both high major worthy and play in the post. Lots of 5 guard sets for the Blue Demons next season

[GGGG]

I am actually impressed that Ners bothered to look up a game versus NJIT from November 24, 2014 to bolster his claim.  That's next-level obsession right there.

[Archies Bat]

When will the "Ban myself" thread be posted?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Rethinking the decision of 4 years ago, what would you rather have

Buzz's turnaround and VT Results
Shaka turnaround and Texas Results
Howland turnaround and Miss Results
Bruce Pearl turnaround and Auburn Results
Danny Manning turnaround and WF Results
Bobby Hurlery turnaround and ASU Results
Cuonzo Martin turnaround and his 2 stops Results

Be nice to put this poll up?

Only one I would take at this point is Buzz at VT. He's doing an excellent job.

Shaka has underperformed both last year and this year.

Howland has yet to make the tourney and is still not a good human being.

Pearl is under investigation by the FBI

Manning has a team ranked in the 90s on KenPom after one bubble appearance

Hurley had a hot team to start the season but finished 9th in the Pac 12...a conference that only has one tournament lock at the moment. He graduates his three best players (who he didn't recruit) this summer and will likely take a big step back.

Cuonzo took a decent California program and turned it into a smoldering crater in three years. He might do better at Mizzou since I assume he stays longer but we dodged a bullet by not hiring him.

Despite only trading for Buzz results,  I'm not satisfied with the results we've had. I want more. Conclusion,  rebuilds are hard.

[mu03eng]

Only one I would take at this point is Buzz at VT. He's doing an excellent job.

In this scenario, are we presuming that Buzz didn't tank the previous two years prior to learning so he doesn't have a bare cupboard for the outlying years?

[skianth16]

In this scenario, are we presuming that Buzz didn't tank the previous two years prior to learning so he doesn't have a bare cupboard for the outlying years?

Is there a Scoop "bare cupboard" drinking game yet? If not, can we get that going?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Here are some facts, since some of you can't let the issue drop:

Burton didn't start 1 game before transferring.  He played over 20 minutes in 1 of the 8 first games.  That's some real buy-in from a coach, right?

Whether it was Cohen that started in front of him, Juan, JJJ, Derrick - none of those guys were better players.  Any objective basketball fan would agree Burton was FAR better than any of these guys.

If the theory held true that "Wojo rides the hot hand," why in Game 4 against NJIT didn't Burton get more than 14 minutes with a 143 O-Rating, and 1 Personal Foul. What's the excuse made there?  He had foul trouble in one game, UT-Martin, no foul trouble in any of the others.  Why in the Wisconsin game where we scored a whopping 38 points did our most talented offensive player get 11 minutes?

Chew on those FACTS.

Here we an example of "shifted goalposts." Shifted goalposts occur when a person makes an argument that is proven wrong so they change their argument without acknowledging the original argument.

Here the argument was "Burton transferred because Sandy Cohen started over him and played twice as many minutes as him." When it was shown that Cohen did not play "twice as many minutes as Burton" that in fact Burton played more minutes than Cohen did, the argument changed.

I can absolutely buy the argument that if Deonte was getting more minutes he might not have transferred. But not the argument that it is why he transferred when he himself has stated repeatedly that he left because of his mother's death.

As for Derrick/Juan/JJJ playing over him, Derrick was a PG and had no impact on his playing time. Juan you might remember came out flaming hot his senior year. Deonte became the better player but during those 8 games Juan was the better player. JJJ I might agree with. He was so up and down that year...though Deonte did play more than JJJ in 3/8 games and the same in 1 game.

[skianth16]

I can absolutely buy the argument that if Deonte was getting more minutes he might not have transferred. But not the argument that it is why he transferred when he himself has stated repeatedly that he left because of his mother's death.

In a brave attempt to avoid this topic in future threads, I'd like to offer a simple opinion on this matter. Regardless of which transfer it is that is being discussed, can we just all agree that we, the fans, will probably never know the whole story? We all know that statements made about and by transfers keep the PR agencies in business. In some cases, we may get more of the story than others, but we'll never know the full list of reasons why a player leaves MU or any other program, except for the case of a blatant public scandal.

Is that something we can all agree on? Seems reasonable enough to me.

[jesmu84]

Hmmm...

So good

[Its DJOver]

So good

He almost made it a full 24 hours

[Dr. Blackheart]

I am still trying to get over the UNO loss so the NJIT game hasn't even entered into my frontal lobe.

[Its DJOver]

I declare this thread dead

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I declare this thread dead

Still gotta win three in a row during the regular season

[Its DJOver]

Still gotta win three in a row during the regular season

I'm sure some people will bring that up next year, but this thread should be done now.

[Floorslapper]

Still gotta win three in a row during the regular season

Nah.  It's over.  Wojo's excellent coaching shepherded us to victory tonight.  Monkey off the back.

[MU82]

This is perfect.

Even though we used two great 4-1 stretches last season to get into the tournament, there's a "monkey" on Wojo's back because he hasn't won 3 straight conference games.

And now we win 3 straight - and 6 of our last 8 - and very well might be in the tourney again, but the third one doesn't count because it was a narrow victory over DePaul?

To quote the great Herm Edwards: You play to win the game!

[cheebs09]

Still gotta win three in a row during the regular season

I'd be ok if he decided to go ahead and win 3 in a row in the BET.

[brewcity77]

I'd be ok if he decided to go ahead and win 3 in a row in the BET.

Might as well be greedy and go for 4 

[SaveOD238]

I'd be ok if he decided to go ahead and win 3 in a row in the BET.

Amazingly, neither Buzz nor Crean ever did that.

Might as well be greedy and go for 4 

Or that.

Come on Wojo!

[Jay Bee]

Dawson arrived at Liberty while they were rated 333 the year before he became eligible.  They improved to 279 his Junior year.  211 his Senior Year.

...and 179 this season, with no Dawson. lol. Get a grip.

[cheebs09]

...and 179 this season, with no Dawson. lol. Get a grip.

It's clear to see the lasting impact Dawson had on that university. He was able to right the ship and set them up for great success.

[Lennys Tap]

...and 179 this season, with no Dawson. lol. Get a grip.

Who said progress isn't linear? Liberty has got it going.

[Floorslapper]

...and 179 this season, with no Dawson. lol. Get a grip.

M2N. FTs no matta. Get a grip. Pretty sure Markus will land right alongside Dawson in the G-League.

That aside, do we take a step forward next year with Markus at PG and Rowsey off roster?  Obviously everyone is salivating at the additions of Morrow and Joey. Will we be better next year?

[DCHoopster]

M2N. FTs no matta. Get a grip. Pretty sure Markus will land right alongside Dawson in the G-League.

That aside, do we take a step forward next year with Markus at PG and Rowsey off roster?  Obviously everyone is salivating at the additions of Morrow and Joey. Will we be better next year?

Every year is different.  As usual there will be question marks but having all the players back will help except Rowsey.  Still need to add a player.   The offense will
have to change somewhat.  Morrow will have to be involved in the O.  Still lacking bulk, every player on Depaul was bigger yesterday.  Better on the D end, O will be
a little less.