9-9?

[NickelDimer]

Under Wojo, MU has yet to win three straight Big East games

The fact we have no clearer answer to whether Wojo can coach today than we had four years ago is an indictment in my eyes

[BM1090]

The fact we have no clearer answer to whether Wojo can coach today than we had four years ago is an indictment in my eyes

We'll have a clear answer next year, either way

[warriorfred]

Sigh.  Even with a 9-9 record, a loss to DePaul will not cut-it.  Absent a deep run in the BE Tournament, Marquette is not getting a bid.

At this point, 8-10 is more likely and the NIT beckons.

[MUBigDance]

We need to win 3 in a row.

GT, CR - 9-9 a must

7th seed pretty much...given the remaining schedule.

First BET game - DePaul. 7x10. Can not lose twice to them. If we do, a good case against us.

So 3 in a row.

[wadesworld]

Math is hard for some.

[Floorslapper]

The fact we have no clearer answer to whether Wojo can coach today than we had four years ago is an indictment in my eyes

Pretty telling that we've never won 3 Big East games in a row under Wojo in 4 seasons.  I was starting to warm to Wojo, felt he was improving some, but today's coaching performance brought me right back to Year 1 of his tenure. 

Yes, we had a bad shooting game, BUT, it comes down to can a coach help you manufacture a win when your best isn't available.  The answer to this question during Wojo's time is a resounding, NO.  And Wojo failed miserably today.

We seem to only win, when our shooters are shooting at a near elite level.  Number 1 shooting 3 point team in all of college ball last year, and Number 4 overall team in eFG% last season - and we barely got in to NCAA and finished 10-8 in Big East play.

[RJax55]

We'll have a clear answer next year, either way

My big concern for next year is that a clear cut year 5 answer won't be there. Frankly, I think that's the most likely option.

While I think we will be better than this year, I'm worried we see a performance similar to last year. Not in style of play, but in terms of accomplishments. Some nice wins, but not a real threat to win the conference. A NCAA apprearance, but a low seed that's one and done.

If that comes to fruition, where does that leave things? Well, pretty similar to today, IMO. Depending on your Wojo lens, you could argue either way on him being on the hot seat or not. 

[Jockey]

#FakeNews

#RealPretentiousJerk

[wisblue]

My big concern for next year is that a clear cut year 5 answer won't be there. Frankly, I think that's the most likely option.

While I think we will be better than this year, I'm worried we see a performance similar to last year. Not in style of play, but in terms of accomplishments. Some nice wins, but not a real threat to win the conference. A NCAA apprearance, but a low seed that's one and done.

If that comes to fruition, where does that leave things? Well, pretty similar to today, IMO. Depending on your Wojo lens, you could argue either way on him being on the hot seat or not.

Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year".  I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.

I'm sure there will be others.

[Floorslapper]

Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year".  I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.

I'm sure there will be others.

You can hear this exact noise verbatim on John Dodds board.  In fact, he's already started with the above before we even conclude this season.  It's pure comedy.

[nyg]

Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year".  I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.

I'm sure there will be others.

Awesome.

[Eldon]

My big concern for next year is that a clear cut year 5 answer won't be there. Frankly, I think that's the most likely option.

While I think we will be better than this year, I'm worried we see a performance similar to last year. Not in style of play, but in terms of accomplishments. Some nice wins, but not a real threat to win the conference. A NCAA apprearance, but a low seed that's one and done.

If that comes to fruition, where does that leave things? Well, pretty similar to today, IMO. Depending on your Wojo lens, you could argue either way on him being on the hot seat or not.

A reasonable, measured post. 

This Board says that we should judge him by expectations.  The expectations seem to be that MU is a lock for a S16.

[Eldon]

Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year".  I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.

I'm sure there will be others.

(9) Who could have predicted that Such-And-Such would have transferred mid-season?  WUNY

[Jay Bee]

#RealPretentiousJerk

Nah, you just lied. Don't lie and you'll be fine, jokey.

[muguru]

I would say it is living up to expectations.

When these are the expectations(regardless of circumstances), you know the program has taken a major nose dive. At Marquette, NIT appearances should be viewed as a major disappointment. Mike Deane once said that Marquette should be happy with NIT appearances, and that got him fired..Though back then, it was a different era for MU hoops, times HAD changed, until these last four years apparently...now we are back to the Mike Deane days, where NIT's should be celebrated. If you aren't in the NCAA's, the season was a disappointment, period. It's not like making the NCAA's is all that hard these days either. Not like it used to be anyway.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Now that my anger has subsided and I have come off the ledge, I still have NCAA tournament hopes and we may not be as far out as I thought, but we absolutely must win the next 2 games and 1 and probably 2 games in the BET to get in. Lose any of the next 3 and it's NIT time. Does that Creighton win over Nova today help our RPI significantly since we beat Creighton or not really?

[Nukem2]

Now that my anger has subsided and I have come off the ledge, I still have NCAA tournament hopes and we may not be as far out as I thought, but we absolutely must win the next 2 games and 1 and probably 2 games in the BET to get in. Lose any of the next 3 and it's NIT time. Does that Creighton win over Nova today help our RPI significantly since we beat Creighton or not really?

It hurts cuz we lost to Nova twice.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

It hurts cuz we lost to Nova twice.

I didn't think of it that way f******ck

[MattyWarrior]

nit it is,all we can hope for. no consistency on the road or at home, makes me sick that we don't or can't get better for a variety of reasons. nose dive during the part of the season we should be trending up

[GGGG]

Where would that leave things? The usual "wait until next year".  I would expect to hear (1) Joey H is a freshman coming off an injury, but wait until next year, (2) Morrow was rusty after a year of no games, but wait until next year, (3) Bailey was rusty after his mission, but wait until next year, (4) Eke was rusty after surgery and no game action for a year, but wait until next year, (5) Elliott, Cain, and John had to adapt to new roles, but wait until next year, (6) whatever new players come in had to adjust to the new program, but wait until next year, (7) MU doesn't get to practice at the new arena, so they had teouble adjusting to the new shooting backgrounds, but wait until next year, (8) MU only loses Heldt but other conference teams are losing more, so wait until next year.

I'm sure there will be others.

A lot of people, myself included, said this year would be a step back.  A lot of people, myself included, said NIT bid.

I expect significant improvement next year.  Top four in conference.  Around a five or six seen in NCAA.

[forgetful]

It hurts cuz we lost to Nova twice.

It does make for an outside chance that when we beat Creighton the 2nd time, it counts as another Q1 win.  Need some other teams in the top 30 to drop back a bit.

[warriorfred]

A lot of people, myself included, said this year would be a step back.  A lot of people, myself included, said NIT bid.

I expect significant improvement next year.  Top four in conference.  Around a five or six seen in NCAA.

A lot of people have this expectation.  If the Warriors don't meet these exceptions do they fire Wojo and start again?

I know, I know, the answer is "it depends."  My expectation is that the Warriors are in and out of the Top 25 and a 4-7 seed in the tourney.  Short of that . . .

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I was very adamant that 9-9 would be enough earlier in the year. I'm less confident now than I was. At the time, I thought beating Seton Hall would be enough of a "signature win" (they were #13 at the time) but they have since taken some major steps back. If we go 9-9, the numbers say we should be in compared to other teams. What I think is holding us back is that our Q1 wins (Hall x2, @Crei, @Prov) are not being seen as impressive enough. The bracket pundits seem to prefer some teams that have less but better Q1 wins.

2-1 with a loss to a 3 seed in the BET and I feel like there's a shot but will likely be NIT
3-1 with a win against SJU in the first round and a loss to Nova/X in the 2nd round and I feel a little better but may still be NIT
3-1 with a win over the 3 seed and a loss to Nova/X in our 2nd BET game and we're dancing

[Warrior1969]

Now that my anger has subsided and I have come off the ledge, I still have NCAA tournament hopes and we may not be as far out as I thought, but we absolutely must win the next 2 games and 1 and probably 2 games in the BET to get in. Lose any of the next 3 and it's NIT time. Does that Creighton win over Nova today help our RPI significantly since we beat Creighton or not really?

MU has not won 3 BE games in a row under wojo, so you think that is going to happen now???

[wadesworld]

Next year forward the expectation is NCAA Tournament every year. Of course there might be a one off year here or there, but we should be dancing just about every year and most years we should be doing so safely.

Next year specifically I expect top 4 in the BE and safely in the Tournament with a real chance to make the second weekend. Weird things happen so you never know, but we should have that potential and not just "our 3 shooters could all get red hot for 2 games," but more, "we're a top 20 team and if we play the way we have all year we could make a solid run."

The next year? Potential to be a top 10 team.

If we aren't anything making the Tournament the next two years it'll be time to move on as all that needs to be addressed is a single point guard and we should be where I think we can be.

I expect a Wojo to get it done.