Froling?

[bilsu]

Froling has simply played his way to the back of the rotation. He got opportunities and wasn't able to take advantage of them, hence the DNPs. Nothing more, nothing less.

On Epperson, we didn't stop recruiting Epperson to get Froling. But we did stop recruiting Epperson once we got Froling. A bird on the hand is worth two in the bush type situation.

Froling has probably been the player he has been the furthest from meeting my expectations this season. I've heard he's better than this and does great in practice but it hasn't translated on the floor at all. He hasn't even been as good as he was in the 10 games he played for SMU when he was 40 lbs heavier.

I have no expectations for him the rest of the season and would expect him to be at the end of the bench next season....but I also wouldn't be shocked if he ended up being the most improved player on the team next season. I thought Sacar would be a nice role player one day but I didn't expect him to make as big of a jump as he did. Same thing could happen for Harry.

Epperson started out the season being red shirted. He was injured and not considered ready to play. Creighton's center last year was a redshirt freshmen who left for NBA. Maybe Creighton's coach is much better in developing bigmen than Wojo. No reason to believe Epperson would be as good at MU.

[Herman Cain]

Epperson started out the season being red shirted. He was injured and not considered ready to play. Creighton's center last year was a redshirt freshmen who left for NBA. Maybe Creighton's coach is much better in developing bigmen than Wojo. No reason to believe Epperson would be as good at MU.

Epperson got an additional 3 months to work on his conditioning and strength and gave skills development while the red shirt was on.  He is much bigger now than when we were looking at him.

[GrimmReaper33]

Seems like Wojo wants him to transfer back out already.

[1SE]

Yeah cause NO OTHER TEAM plays with a 8 man rotation.

Seriously if you are going to bitch, bitch about something meaningful.  This is just dumb.

Find me one other team, with anything close to our MBB budget, that plays 8 guys and is going to miss the Tourney. Hell, I don't care if we play with 5 or 6 and WIN. But if we lose to DePaul because we don't have enough options to be creative with our lineup (i.e get abused for lack of size, experience, whatever other lame excuses people put forward here) I'm going to bitch about Wojo's inability to build a complete team.

[Tums Festival]

So a wasted scholly? Great job Wojo. Glad with a top-10 college basketball budget you're able to field a grand total of 8 players of sufficient quality to see PT against DePaul in year 4 of your tenure.  You know the NCAA gives you 13 right?

+1,000,000

[GGGG]

Find me one other team, with anything close to our MBB budget, that plays 8 guys and is going to miss the Tourney. Hell, I don't care if we play with 5 or 6 and WIN. But if we lose to DePaul because we don't have enough options to be creative with our lineup (i.e get abused for lack of size, experience, whatever other lame excuses people put forward here) I'm going to bitch about Wojo's inability to build a complete team.

Dumb.  Budget has nothing to do with it. 

[GGGG]

Epperson started out the season being red shirted. He was injured and not considered ready to play. Creighton's center last year was a redshirt freshmen who left for NBA. Maybe Creighton's coach is much better in developing bigmen than Wojo. No reason to believe Epperson would be as good at MU.

Well there's no reason to believe he would be worse.

[MattyWarrior]

DePaul o the horror of losing to them, bottom feeders in the Beast since arrival, no way we should
lose to them, every short turnaround we lose, really be surprised if we win at GT.

[Warrior1969]

Epperson got an additional 3 months to work on his conditioning and strength and gave skills development while the red shirt was on.  He is much bigger now than when we were looking at him.

Woudnt he be bigger now if he came to MU???  Or does that just happen at CU?

[connie]

Dumb.  Budget has nothing to do with it.

So there should be no correlation between what is spent and the quality of the product?  You are going to have to explain that to me because while I acknowledge it doesn't always guarantee results, it does increase expectations, and it should. 

[brewcity77]

Find me one other team, with anything close to our MBB budget, that plays 8 guys and is going to miss the Tourney. Hell, I don't care if we play with 5 or 6 and WIN. But if we lose to DePaul because we don't have enough options to be creative with our lineup (i.e get abused for lack of size, experience, whatever other lame excuses people put forward here) I'm going to bitch about Wojo's inability to build a complete team.

We currently have 3 players redshirting. We had another transfer mid-season. That accounts for all 13 scholarships, so the 9 bodies left are all the rotation Wojo could have available.

Was Froling a miss? Maybe. But Elliott, Cain, John, and Anim all seem like overlooked guys that were hits. As far as talent evaluation, I think Wojo is hitting more than missing.

As far as building a complete team, this team is built for next year. I know it sounds like an excuse but look at the team on paper. Wojo will be able to start 5 upperclassmen (Howard, Anim, Hauser, Morrow, Heldt). He'll have a bench with experience (Elliott, Cain, John). He'll have an injection of youth led by a 5-star (Joey, Bailey, Eke). The other scholarships we'll see. Maybe Froling is here, maybe not. Maybe we add a grad transfer PG, maybe not. Regardless, that's 9-12 players you expect to contribute (the +/-3 are Froling, Eke, and Bailey, the unknowns).

I have a lot of questions about Wojo right now, but I think he has to get next year, otherwise we're starting from scratch without knowing if the team that he spent 4 years building was one that could succeed or not.

[DCHoopster]

We currently have 3 players redshirting. We had another transfer mid-season. That accounts for all 13 scholarships, so the 9 bodies left are all the rotation Wojo could have available.

Was Froling a miss? Maybe. But Elliott, Cain, John, and Anim all seem like overlooked guys that were hits. As far as talent evaluation, I think Wojo is hitting more than missing.

As far as building a complete team, this team is built for next year. I know it sounds like an excuse but look at the team on paper. Wojo will be able to start 5 upperclassmen (Howard, Anim, Hauser, Morrow, Heldt). He'll have a bench with experience (Elliott, Cain, John). He'll have an injection of youth led by a 5-star (Joey, Bailey, Eke). The other scholarships we'll see. Maybe Froling is here, maybe not. Maybe we add a grad transfer PG, maybe not. Regardless, that's 9-12 players you expect to contribute (the +/-3 are Froling, Eke, and Bailey, the unknowns).

I have a lot of questions about Wojo right now, but I think he has to get next year, otherwise we're starting from scratch without knowing if the team that he spent 4 years building was one that could succeed or not.

I agree he has a squad that has depth and talent.  If Bailey is anything, they will have a wing that can help.  but I see 9 players getting playing time next year,
all with experience in the system.   That alone should make a difference.  If Anim can improve his outside shot a tad, Bailey can play a little guard, then maybe having
12 next year is fine.  That will give Wojo the opportunity to recruit 2 kids for 2019.  That would keep the classes more even.  Morrow and Joey should help MU become
a better rebounding team,  yesterday was ridiculous on the boards.

[GGGG]

So there should be no correlation between what is spent and the quality of the product?  You are going to have to explain that to me because while I acknowledge it doesn't always guarantee results, it does increase expectations, and it should. 

It has nothing to do with filling scholarships. And budgets aren't apples to apples comparisons anyway.

[WarriorDad]

Find me one other team, with anything close to our MBB budget, that plays 8 guys and is going to miss the Tourney. Hell, I don't care if we play with 5 or 6 and WIN. But if we lose to DePaul because we don't have enough options to be creative with our lineup (i.e get abused for lack of size, experience, whatever other lame excuses people put forward here) I'm going to bitch about Wojo's inability to build a complete team.

What are you using as a source for top 10 budget? 

This

1) University of Kentucky 18,910,412
2) University of Louisville 17,900,031
3) Duke University 17,890,632
4) Syracuse University 13,876,720
5) Indiana University-Bloomington 12,129,479
6) University of Arizona 11,761,006
7) Florida State University 11,730,040
8) University of Kansas 11,636,720
9) Georgetown University 11,343,826
10) Marquette University 11,308,266

The problem with that is the first eight schools have FBS football, which means they can have other sports cover the costs of basketball or share in them as it were. 

But since you asked the question, Georgetown will miss the NCAA tournament and they have a larger basketball budget than we do using this source (US Dept of Education).  Indiana will miss the NCAA tournament.  Syracuse may miss the tournament.  Louisville going into yesterday's game was behind us in the bracket projections. 

That is 30% for sure that will miss, and potentially 50% of the top 10.

[Herman Cain]

Woudnt he be bigger now if he came to MU???  Or does that just happen at CU?

the point is, Epperson had the partial benefit of the redshirt the bulk of the season. The concept behind the non injury  redshirt is to build your body and work on your game. If he came to MU ,and redshirted ,yes he would have the same benefit.

[Billy Hoyle]

What are you using as a source for top 10 budget? 

This

1) University of Kentucky 18,910,412
2) University of Louisville 17,900,031
3) Duke University 17,890,632
4) Syracuse University 13,876,720
5) Indiana University-Bloomington 12,129,479
6) University of Arizona 11,761,006
7) Florida State University 11,730,040
8) University of Kansas 11,636,720
9) Georgetown University 11,343,826
10) Marquette University 11,308,266

The problem with that is the first eight schools have FBS football, which means they can have other sports cover the costs of basketball or share in them as it were. 

But since you asked the question, Georgetown will miss the NCAA tournament and they have a larger basketball budget than we do using this source (US Dept of Education).  Indiana will miss the NCAA tournament.  Syracuse may miss the tournament.  Louisville going into yesterday's game was behind us in the bracket projections. 

That is 30% for sure that will miss, and potentially 50% of the top 10.

Part of the budget for MU and GTown is facility rentals. The others play in campus owned facilities (or have a sweetheart deal as Louisville and FSU have).  MU has a very large budget compared to similar institutions but 11th is a deceptive number.

[Billy Hoyle]

SMU didn't show him out the door.  He didn't like it there, especially when Larry Brown retired.

Yeah, keep thinking that.

[GGGG]

Yeah, keep thinking that.

I've heard no different from many people who would know.

[Jay Bee]

I don't question the talent, but I have always seen him listed as 6'6" or 6'7" and therefore he would be splitting minutes more with guys like Sam, Sacar, and Jamal.

#FakeNews

Wherever you're looking, they have bad and/or outdated info.

[burger]

There is no reason we should not be doing as good as Xavier or Butler!

PERIOD!

And the Badgers are in a down rotation......Absolutely no excuse at this point!

[brewcity77]

There is no reason we should not be doing as good as Xavier or Butler!

PERIOD!

And the Badgers are in a down rotation......Absolutely no excuse at this point!

Chris Mack has been at Xavier for 9 seasons. Lavall Jordan is doing great but with the team Chris Holtmann built, no idea if he can sustain that. With the exception of Butler, the league standings are pretty much organized similarly to the length of time the current coaches have been there. It's not really a mystery how you build a consistent winner.

[WarriorDad]

There is no reason we should not be doing as good as Xavier or Butler!

PERIOD!

And the Badgers are in a down rotation......Absolutely no excuse at this point!

Did we not beat Wisconsin this year by 20 at their place?  Did we not perform better than they have?  Did we not land at least one recruit they desperately wanted?

No reason why we should not be doing as well as Xavier? I can think of a few.  They've kept the same coach for 10 years rather than wanting to reject him whenever things don't go the fans way despite him missing the NCAAs in his 4th year and being first four (Dayton game) in year 5.  They have an on campus arena they share with no one. 

Butler, time will tell if they can stay where they are, but the new guy is blessed with what the previous guy left him.

[Don_Kojis]

If we don't get a grad point guard or some other point guard, we don't have to worry about going anywhere.   Howard or Elliot can't be point guards.  We won't be able to bring the ball up.

[GoldenDieners32]

If we don't get a grad point guard or some other point guard, we don't have to worry about going anywhere.   Howard or Elliot can't be point guards.  We won't be able to bring the ball up.

They can always develop over the offseason

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://twitter.com/HarryFroling/status/967506647282343942

When you start living the life of your dreams, there will always be obstacles, doubters, mistakes and setbacks along the way. But with hard work, perseverance and self-belief there is no limit to what you can achieve. #believe

Harry certainly wants to get better. Hope he puts in the work this off-season and surprises us all next season