Silver Warrior on Transfers

[tower912]

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/Transfer-Rate-115374539

Yeah, it is the scout board.   But it is a sobering look at the percentage of players since 2000 who have entered MU as freshmen and actually stayed 4 years.     So as optimistic as we are about next year, it must be looked at through the prism of these statistics.   

[Galway Eagle]

Just for the record they're saying its impossible to build a consistently good program with these numbers but 11 NCAA appearances and three other postseasons (1 of which was a legit team till Travis's injury) seems pretty consistently good. What is the national average again?

[tower912]

40%

[BM1090]

I admittedly didn't read the whole post, but given that 4-5 of our best players over the past 7-8 years were JUCOs (and Wade), that percentage is going to be higher. We relied on JUCOs a hell of a lot more than most teams.

[muwarrior69]

40%

Is that for all D1 schools? What about the Power 6 conferences. What about the just the Big East.

[skianth16]

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/Transfer-Rate-115374539

Yeah, it is the scout board.   But it is a sobering look at the percentage of players since 2000 who have entered MU as freshmen and actually stayed 4 years.     So as optimistic as we are about next year, it must be looked at through the prism of these statistics.

I think we'll have a guy or two end up thinking we're a bit too deep and look for greener pastures this summer. As a coach, this has to be frustrating to continually deal with, but at the same time, maybe there's some learning to glean from it as well. Hopefully the numbers will decrease for Wojo as he continues to recruit and build out the rosters.

[DCHoopster]

I normally agree that there will be a transfer or two almost every year except I do not see it for next year,  they have 12 players for next year, MU has the following:

Freshman-  Joey Hauser
                   Ike redshirt year and medical issue - he is staying
                   Bailey doubt it

Sophs     -  Cain, Elliott and John  maybe one

Juniors   -  Hauser, Anim (redshirt already), Froling (transferred to MU), Howard, Morrow (transferred to MU)

Senior    - Heldt no

I can only see possibly one of the freshman, hope not,  Froling maybe goes back to Australia, other then
that I see none of the other players leaving.  Elliott can see PT time next year so why leave, so Cain maybe.

[tower912]

I admittedly didn't read the whole post, but given that 4-5 of our best players over the past 7-8 years were JUCOs (and Wade), that percentage is going to be higher. We relied on JUCOs a hell of a lot more than most teams.

The post takes it into account if you read through to the end.

[skianth16]

I can only see possibly one of the freshman, hope not,  Froling maybe goes back to Australia, other then
that I see none of the other players leaving.  Elliott can see PT time next year so why leave, so Cain maybe.

When you look at the depth chart projections for each position, that's when it starts to look a bit more likely, in my opinion any way. Froling going to play pro in Australia doesn't seem like it would be too far out of the question. Theo has been progressing a lot, and Morrow is expected to get a ton of minutes. That could end up frustrating Harry. The other piece to consider is the potential of a grad transfer PG. That would take away minutes from Cain and Elliott, who are already two of the mostly likely transfer candidates. On the other hand, they seem like team first guys, so they may be OK with not seeing a big increase in minutes from this year to next.

[MUfan12]

Honestly, the number is barely relevant to me. Of those 29, six transferred to a P6 program. If kids are transferring down a level, a lot of times that means MU got a better player at their spot. Such is life.

[CTWarrior]

Honestly, the number is barely relevant to me. Of those 29, six transferred to a P6 program. If kids are transferring down a level, a lot of times that means MU got a better player at their spot. Such is life.

I understand that is the way it goes and I agree that most transfers we have had have not hurt us all that much.  The ones that bother me are the contributors.  The current team really could have used Traci Carter or Duane Wilson, for example.  I understand their roles would not have been as large as they would have wanted, so very difficult to keep them here.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Only one i could see is Harry.  He now realizes where he stands.  If he spends the next 9 months getting exponentially tougher n more physical he could be fine.  If he is mentally as soft as his current game i would guess he would slide off to easier pastures.  Gut check time for Mr. Froling

[DCHoopster]

Only one i could see is Harry.  He now realizes where he stands.  If he spends the next 9 months getting exponentially tougher n more physical he could be fine.  If he is mentally as soft as his current game i would guess he would slide off to easier pastures.  Gut check time for Mr. Froling

Agree totally!

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Only one i could see is Harry.  He now realizes where he stands.  If he spends the next 9 months getting exponentially tougher n more physical he could be fine.  If he is mentally as soft as his current game i would guess he would slide off to easier pastures.  Gut check time for Mr. Froling

Is pro ball in Australia really easier pastures?  Because I doubt the guy wants to drop down a level and sit out another year. 

[79Warrior]

Is pro ball in Australia really easier pastures?  Because I doubt the guy wants to drop down a level and sit out another year.

He is sort of sitting out now with reduced minutes. Logjam upfront next year so who knows.

[#UnleashSean]

Froling or Heldt are biggest opportunists for transfers in my opinion.  Id put either at 50%

Howard and Hauser are 0%

John comes in with a 30% due to his father. Elliot and Cain are both around 10%

Eke gets a 30% as well

Freshman are a 3%

[BM1090]

Froling or Heldt are biggest opportunists for transfers in my opinion.  Id put either at 50%

Howard and Hauser are 0%

John comes in with a 30% due to his father. Elliot and Cain are both around 10%

Eke gets a 30% as well

Freshman are a 3%

Matt isn't transferring. Ike isn't going to either after sitting out this year.

[GGGG]

Heldt's not going to transfer.  He'll be a senior and will see significant playing time.

[GooooMarquette]

Heldt's not going to transfer.  He'll be a senior and will see significant playing time.

Yep.  No chance of Matt leaving.  If either center leaves, it'll be Harry.

[#UnleashSean]

Heldt's not going to transfer.  He'll be a senior and will see significant playing time.

Aye, and thats exactly what people said of Duane Wilson. Theres a jam in the front court. A senior who already has seen games where hes logged <5 minutes this year with a Freshman, sophmore, and junior capable of playing the same position. There is a definite chance Heldt transfers.

[jsglow]

Aye, and thats exactly what people said of Duane Wilson. Theres a jam in the front court. A senior who already has seen games where hes logged <5 minutes this year with a Freshman, sophmore, and junior capable of playing the same position. There is a definite chance Heldt transfers.

Except that Duane wasn't going to get the starting PG spot and was graduating compared to Matt reasonably anticipating starting and only being a Junior now.

Seriously, Matt's chances of thinking something is better after sitting out a year compared to being the likely starting center (even if his minutes peak at 18-20) on a up and coming P6 team is extremely low.

[nyg]

Aye, and thats exactly what people said of Duane Wilson. Theres a jam in the front court. A senior who already has seen games where hes logged <5 minutes this year with a Freshman, sophmore, and junior capable of playing the same position. There is a definite chance Heldt transfers.

Wilson had aspirations of playing pro ball.  Matt's future is with his degree. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Froling or Heldt are biggest opportunists for transfers in my opinion.  Id put either at 50%

Howard and Hauser are 0%

John comes in with a 30% due to his father. Elliot and Cain are both around 10%

Eke gets a 30% as well

Freshman are a 3%

Eke isn't going to burn a year of eligibility to transfer.

What's wrong with John's dad?

Heldt absolutely loves Marquette and as others have said, isn't going to improve on his role elsewhere. 

[Lighthouse 84]

Only one i could see is Harry.  He now realizes where he stands.  If he spends the next 9 months getting exponentially tougher n more physical he could be fine.  If he is mentally as soft as his current game i would guess he would slide off to easier pastures.  Gut check time for Mr. Froling

So I see Harry is the new Luke for you, hey?

[Newsdreams]

Eke isn't going to burn a year of eligibility to transfer.

What's wrong with John's dad?

Heldt absolutely loves Marquette and as others have said, isn't going to improve on his role elsewhere.

Yes, please clarify?