Assessing our Warriors

[drbob]

Been  watching the other BE teams and two  things stand out in comparison.  Yes we can shoot the rock, but we are boys among men when it comes to physicality and athleticism. I know the team is young but this is not a new problem. Our guards are undersized, our power forwards are non-existent and our centers,except Theo are slow footed and have shown very little offensive propensity. Greg and Jamal, while more athletic are painfully undersized as far as bulk. Other teams seem to get their share of more physically developed players,what is our problem ? Don't know how good Morrow is supposed to be , but if he and Theo don't pan out, it will be another long year next year. Can't see Froling being an answer the next two years !!

[Its DJOver]

Been  watching the other BE teams and two  things stand out in comparison.  Yes we can shoot the rock, but we are boys among men when it comes to physicality and athleticism. I know the team is young but this is not a new problem. Our guards are undersized, our power forwards are non-existent and our centers,except Theo are slow footed and have shown very little offensive propensity. Greg and Jamal, while more athletic are painfully undersized as far as bulk. Other teams seem to get their share of more physically developed players,what is our problem ? Don't know how good Morrow is supposed to be , but if he and Theo don't pan out, it will be another long year next year. Can't see Froling being an answer the next two years !!

We're losing a sub 6 foot guard and gaining 4 forwards, at least three of which, will have a significant physical presence.  The only question marks being Ike's recovery, and Bailey's potential rust.  I'm not at all worried about our front court next year. 

[Billy Hoyle]

They lost tonight even though Durant had a monster game. Going to be a dog fight with the Rockets for the #1 seed in the West.

[WarriorDad]

Been  watching the other BE teams and two  things stand out in comparison.  Yes we can shoot the rock, but we are boys among men when it comes to physicality and athleticism. I know the team is young but this is not a new problem. Our guards are undersized, our power forwards are non-existent and our centers,except Theo are slow footed and have shown very little offensive propensity. Greg and Jamal, while more athletic are painfully undersized as far as bulk. Other teams seem to get their share of more physically developed players,what is our problem ? Don't know how good Morrow is supposed to be , but if he and Theo don't pan out, it will be another long year next year. Can't see Froling being an answer the next two years !!

Morrow averaged nearly 8 rebounds a game in the Big Ten as a Sophomore.  He also registered 27 blocked shots in an injury filled season.  Front court will not be our problem.   Our defensive toughness and size get better next year due to incoming talent.  We need a point guard, pass first point guard.

[jesmu84]

Oh good. Another repeat

[4everwarriors]

Dis is awsum, aina?

[willie warrior]

We're losing a sub 6 foot guard and gaining 4 forwards, at least three of which, will have a significant physical presence.  The only question marks being Ike's recovery, and Bailey's potential rust.  I'm not at all worried about our front court next year.

Yup. We will be really good next year. Wash, rinse and repeat.

[Its DJOver]

Yup. We will be really good next year. Wash, rinse and repeat.

I said I'm not worried about our front court. We don't lose anybody, and gain two 6'-7" players, a 6'-8" player, and a 6'-9" player.  What more could possibly be done to improve that area?
Ya know as much as we all like MU, if we were national champions every year, things would get pretty boring, although I'm sure you would still complain, it's the struggle that makes the reward as sweet as it is.  If you want a top 5 team every year, go root for Duke, or Kentucky, because as much as you rip everyone on the team we're not gonna win it all next year.

[79Warrior]

We're losing a sub 6 foot guard and gaining 4 forwards, at least three of which, will have a significant physical presence.  The only question marks being Ike's recovery, and Bailey's potential rust.  I'm not at all worried about our front court next year.

No point guard is no bueno. As far as the forwards, Morrow is legit. Who knows if Ike stays and Bailey has not played competitive ball in two years. I would expect little if anything from either of those two.

[Its DJOver]

No point guard is no bueno. As far as the forwards, Morrow is legit. Who knows if Ike stays and Bailey has not played competitive ball in two years. I would expect little if anything from either of those two.

Are we really onto Ike transferring rumors already?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Are we really onto Ike transferring rumors already?

Ike transferring makes zero sense.

[Its DJOver]

Ike transferring makes zero sense.

I agree. Have no idea where 79 came up with that.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I agree. Have no idea where 79 came up with that.

He is an incredibly negative dude, so probably just assumes the worst.

[Newsdreams]

Ike's only problem is to recover from surgery and get back to practice and conditioning routine.

[79Warrior]

I agree. Have no idea where 79 came up with that.

I am not saying he leaves at all. We seem to have a log jam at forward, that's all.

[79Warrior]

He is an incredibly negative dude, so probably just assumes the worst.

So, if opinions are contrary to yours they are negative? How about some feel that the program is not meeting expectations and are realistic enough to point it out rather then listing a dozen ways we can back into the NCAA. Easiest way in is for MU to win games.

[Its DJOver]

So, if opinions are contrary to yours they are negative? How about some feel that the program is not meeting expectations and are realistic enough to point it out rather then listing a dozen ways we can back into the NCAA. Easiest way in is for MU to win games.

Edit. Didn't see your other response.
The log jam at the 4 and 5 supports my original post that I'm not worried about the front court.
The thread originally started raising questions about our physicality, and front court players are generally much more physical than back court.  There are plenty of other threads about our back court need so I was just looking at our bigs.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

So, if opinions are contrary to yours they are negative? How about some feel that the program is not meeting expectations and are realistic enough to point it out rather then listing a dozen ways we can back into the NCAA. Easiest way in is for MU to win games.

No sh*t Sherlock.

What exactly did you expect this year? A top 25 team?  This team is exactly what every reasonable fan thought it would be.  A .500ish Big East team that would be a back end tournament team if things went right or NIT team if they didn't.  Either path is still a possibility, believe it or not.

You can puff out your chest and bit*h and moan if that makes you feel better.  But no idea what it accomplishes other than just sounding whiny as hell and proving you had unrealistic expectations for this team.

[Jay Bee]

Ike transferring makes zero sense.

If they got immediately eligibility, the story changes aina

[GGGG]

No sh*t Sherlock.

What exactly did you expect this year? A top 25 team?  This team is exactly what every reasonable fan thought it would be.  A .500ish Big East team that would be a back end tournament team if things went right or NIT team if they didn't.  Either path is still a possibility, believe it or not.

You can puff out your chest and bit*h and moan if that makes you feel better.  But no idea what it accomplishes other than just sounding whiny as hell and proving you had unrealistic expectations for this team.

BE pre season coaches poll was 7th.  Right now they are 7th.

[tower912]

That 7th place prediction was with Haanif.   There were 8th place predictions, too.   But logic and perspective are out of vogue.   

[Stretchdeltsig]

I said I'm not worried about our front court. We don't lose anybody, and gain two 6'-7" players, a 6'-8" player, and a 6'-9" player.  What more could possibly be done to improve that area?
Ya know as much as we all like MU, if we were national champions every year, things would get pretty boring, although I'm sure you would still complain, it's the struggle that makes the reward as sweet as it is.  If you want a top 5 team every year, go root for Duke, or Kentucky, because as much as you rip everyone on the team we're not gonna win it all next year.

Correction
Bailey is 6'8"
Joey is 6'9"
Eke is 6'9 or 10".

[tower912]

Nitpicking.

[Floorslapper]

That 7th place prediction was with Haanif.   There were 8th place predictions, too.   But logic and perspective are out of vogue.

As a matter of perspective do you feel being projected for a 7th or 8th place finish in Year 4 of Wojo's tenure is a vote of confidence that we have the right man on the job?

Kids transferring out of the program ultimately is on Wojo. Think it is kind of an irrelevant statement to even suggest Haanif leaving justifies the "performance."

Personally I was hoping in Year 4 we'd be a solid NCAA team and not be a coin flip probability of beating DePaul and St.Johns (in any venue.)

[BM1090]

As a matter of perspective do you feel being projected for a 7th or 8th place finish in Year 4 of Wojo's tenure is a vote of confidence that we have the right man on the job?

Kids transferring out of the program ultimately is on Wojo. Think it is kind of an irrelevant statement to even suggest Haanif leaving justifies the "performance."

Personally I was hoping in Year 4 we'd be a solid NCAA team and not be a coin flip probability of beating DePaul and St.Johns (in any venue.)

I think we all hoped that. But I think when we all saw the roster last year and what we'd be losing that this year has gone about to expectation.

And if year 5 isn't significantly better than year 4* I think pretty much everyone will be ready to move on, and even the most optimistic of us would will be ready to move on if we're not a consistent top 25 team in year 6.

*If we finish 4-1 to end up at 9-9, I think a two game improvement to 11-7 would suffice. 11-7 or better in conference is my expectation next year. If we're not there I will be very concerned.