Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??

[jesmu84]

Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.

So what is your point?

Lot of vague discussion here with no substance.

[Class71]

Unless we are in the top 5 or 6 it really does not matter. No point in being dramatic. In a few weeks we will know with certainty.

[GB Warrior]

Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.

I tend not to think about point and time rankings as meaningful. Imagine how terribly Nova would have been ranked after losing to us last year! Definitely worst in the BE right?

[willie warrior]

You nailed it, there should NEVER EVER be a time when MU can even be discussed as the worst team in conference at any time. Yet, people keep giving Wojo so much slack..look around the country, there are enough examples of Coaches that have turned around programs in a year, some are cited above..Yet, it's okay that MU is where they are 4 years in?? I don't get it.

If you do not get it, you haven't been drinking the Wojo wine. He can do no wrong, he is a saint to the administration, but we are nearing the bottom of the Beast, and that is totally unacceptable. Instead of competing for BEast championships, we are now competing for the cellar. Wake up and smell the napalm.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Wojo has been upping our talent.  Unfortunately our coaching stinks.

[muguru]

I tend not to think about point and time rankings as meaningful. Imagine how terribly Nova would have been ranked after losing to us last year! Definitely worst in the BE right?

Had they lost 5 of 6, including 3 at home??

[Goose]

Stretch

I think the talent is woefully falling short. A lot of role players in the mix. That can work with a coaches coach. Rick Majerus could change school up a team of role player, but he was an exception to the rule.

[Stretchdeltsig]

I knew Rick well. Played with him.  He was a jellybean screener. 

But, Al recruited only one kid a year.  The scrambled egg unit were far less talented than our last five guys.

[Goose]

Stretch

We probably know each other, met Rick when I was probably ten years old,now much older, and loved him.

Wojo has not gotten that one guy a year yet, except Henry. Al got off the charts studs, Wojo has brought in tier two studs. IMO, long way to go on talent level.

[Newsdreams]

Had they lost 5 of 6, including 3 at home??

Down goes Nova again

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

We may be better than Seton Hall

[MU82]

I can't believe I'm actually going to take this thread seriously, but ...

Seton Hall is playing like absolute shyte. Plus, we beat them twice, the first time by 1,000 points at our place and the second time just a week ago at their place.

So yes, I absolutely think that if I had to choose which of two teams was worse, I'm going with the team that lost twice to the other team, including just last week on its own home court.

Oh, and DePaul, too. Unless we lose to DePaul. Then guru can start another thread set up to make people who don't believe MU is the worst to have to "prove" it. And in the process, that allows others to say, "Don't be so proud if we're only the second-worst." Ugh.

[MU86NC]

Jesus how can someone be so naive. Please tell me why we didn't make the tournament in 2015-16 if Win count is the only thing that matters. Better yet tell me why all the conferences that have teams with win totals in the low to mid 20s don't get more bids when there's teams making the tournament with 18 and 19 wins

My point being in 10 or 20 years the only thing people see will be th win loss record...

[Newsdreams]

My point being in 10 or 20 years the only thing people see will be th win loss record...

No, but still who cares.

[MU86NC]

No, but still who cares.

Seems like you do!

[Uncle Rico]

I firmly believe Villanova is currently the worst team in the league having lost 2 of 3, including at Providence where even DePaul and Marquette won

[Tums Festival]

I think the argument can be made that the teams on the bottom have gotten better as the season has marched on,  not sure that MU has.  I fully expect to lose at GTown, at SJu, n at depaul.

At this point ending the season with a losing record is a definite possibility.

[bilsu]

We are better than two teams and they are DePaul and Seton Hall. Possibly better than Georgetown.

[4everwarriors]

Man, Rick and I worked side by side for 2 summers. Between him snacking constantly and both of us talkin' hoops, didn't get much done. Still 'member that p.o.s. American Motors Gremlin he drove back in the day, hey?

[Newsdreams]

Man, Rick and I worked side by side for 2 summers. Between him snacking constantly and both of us talkin' hoops, didn't get much done. Still 'member that p.o.s. American Motors Gremlin he drove back in the day, hey?

Did he always carry a towel?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Did he always carry a towel?

And, was 4ever his manager?

[Galway Eagle]

My point being in 10 or 20 years the only thing people see will be th win loss record...

In 10-20 years people will see what postseason we made. Case study: I know we made the NIT in Creans second and O'Neill's first year. I don't know the record offhand and would take that notch to our programs belt over nothing.

All that matters is A) getting to the postseason, B) advancing in said postseason. The rest is forgotten by the average fan

[Spotcheck Billy]

It was far easier for teams to make the NIT in Crean's and O'Neill's time.

[Galway Eagle]

It was far easier for teams to make the NIT in Crean's and O'Neill's time.

Point remains that nobody cares about the records of teams that don't have anything to show for it. Outside of our 32 NCAA appearances and 12(?) NITs how many records do you know? I know we had like two decent years under bill chandler and that's about it because those years don't have anything to show

[Billy Hoyle]

It was far easier for teams to make the NIT in Crean's and O'Neill's time.

Correct.  The NIT was more concerned about teams that could draw.  The 2005 MU team that had no PG undeservingly made the NIT. Now teams have to earn their way into the tournament and (rightfully) teams that win their regular season conference title but don't get an NCAA Tourney bid get an automatic invite.