Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??

[CTWarrior]

I don't know how to respond to this, but there is something to the opening post.  If I were a betting man, and all games were pick 'em, on a neutral floor DePaul is the only team I'd bet on us against.  Maybe Seton Hall, since they do not do the things that have bothered us this season.  SJU and Georgetown would be too close to call.

[mu_hilltopper]

It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.

This is why Arby's is doing so well.

[🏀]

It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.

This is why Arby's is doing so well.

Reality is a wicked mistress, why live any longer?

Eat at Arby's.

[Floorslapper]

It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.

This is why Arby's is doing so well.

Well said.  Also recall reading here how much of a train wreck GTown was going to be this year, especially with Ewing as head coach.  Welp.  Looks like year 1 of the Ewing regime is right on schedule with year 4 of ours.

Cunzo Martin has Mizzou at 36 in Year 1, coming off their 156th ranking last season.  Turned Cal around quite nicely too.

Fair to say if next year is an NCAA miss, the natives will have every reason to be restless.

#powerpointmattas

[The Lens]

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.

Yes.

[muguru]

It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.



This is why Arby's is doing so well.

You nailed it, there should NEVER EVER be a time when MU can even be discussed as the worst team in conference at any time. Yet, people keep giving Wojo so much slack..look around the country, there are enough examples of Coaches that have turned around programs in a year, some are cited above..Yet, it's okay that MU is where they are 4 years in?? I don't get it.

[GGGG]

Here's why people are giving Wojo slack:

1. It's a young team and there is reason for optimism

2. Doing the torches and pitchforks thing on a message board doesn't really matter.  He's not going anywhere. 

As I have said, the jury is obviously out.  Next year is the key for me.  If there isn't significant progress, I will be ordering my tiki torch from Amazon and joining the unruly mob.  Until then, it's not worth the energy.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Here's why people are giving Wojo slack:

It's interesting...I actually see more common ground than dissent over the last two weeks.  To sum up - not many 'buying' or super encouraged with Wojo right now, but most are also not ready to 'sell'.

Unfortunately we are heading toward a shoulder shrug kind of situation.

[lawdog77]

I am an optimist, so here is what I see. The flu bug hit us hard (this is bad for recruiting). If we are healthy now, we can run the table in the regular season. If so, can we.finish 3rd in the conference?

[Aughnanure]

Fair to say if next year is an NCAA miss, the natives will have every reason to be restless.

Restless? Barring massive injury issues, if Marquette misses out on the tourney next year Wojo should be absolutely gone.

I'm worried that if we are on the bubble throughout the year and just get to the tourney, the administration will force itself to give another contract extension.  There there should be considerable pressure on Wojo if we are just on the favorable side of the bubble. No reason we should not be a top 20-30 team next year if our coach is someone worth keeping around.

[Stretchdeltsig]

Georgetown has improved by leaps and bounds...knocked off Seton hall last Saturday and tonight won AT Butler...We all know what SJU has done lately, and even DePaul won by 18 AT Providence this last week..based on the eye test(the way teams have been playing), sadly, I think it's hard to argue that MU just might well be the worst team in the BE right now.

I just returned from a walk in the French Quarter.  On my walk I met an owner friend of a bar who saw the gold Marquette Warrior t-shirt I was wearing.  He said that he remembered when Marquette had good top ten basketball teams in the seventies.  Then he said, whatever happened to them? Do they still play?

That really hurt.  Why is it so hard for us to field a top ten team again?

[skianth16]

You nailed it, there should NEVER EVER be a time when MU can even be discussed as the worst team in conference at any time. Yet, people keep giving Wojo so much slack..look around the country, there are enough examples of Coaches that have turned around programs in a year, some are cited above..Yet, it's okay that MU is where they are 4 years in?? I don't get it.

Wojo still has a lot to figure out to be considered a good coach. Can people point to sign of him being promising? Probably. But promising is not the same as good, although it seems many people here would disagree with that.

I'd also point out that a lot of the more patient Wojo apologist types do genuinely seem to appreciate the different style of program he runs compared to Buzz. It does seem like the administration wanted a squeaky clean guy, and given the trade-off between a "just win" mentality, and a "trust the process" mentality, I assume they're fine missing a few post-seasons as long as they stay out of the news. The real question about that, though, is whether bad press hurts the donation train more than a disappointing basketball season.

[skianth16]

Here's why people are giving Wojo slack:

1. It's a young team and there is reason for optimism

2. Doing the torches and pitchforks thing on a message board doesn't really matter.  He's not going anywhere. 

As I have said, the jury is obviously out.  Next year is the key for me.  If there isn't significant progress, I will be ordering my tiki torch from Amazon and joining the unruly mob.  Until then, it's not worth the energy.

Doing the constant brown-nosing thing on a message board doesn't really matter either. Any overly optimistic or even naively positive comments or threads don't encourage the powers-that-be to keep him any longer.

I think everyone on Scoop is very aware that our opinions about Wojo, pick and roll defense, or playing time don't matter to anyone. The point of the message board is to talk about something we all care about and enjoy, not to change anything that happens on the floor. Saying an opinion doesn't matter because it won't change the admin's opinion or change what happens in a game is just a lazy way of disagreeing with a post and not offering a counter-point. 

[NickelDimer]

I just returned from a walk in the French Quarter.  On my walk I met an owner friend of a bar who saw the gold Marquette Warrior t-shirt I was wearing.  He said that he remembered when Marquette had good top ten basketball teams in the seventies.  Then he said, whatever happened to them? Do they still play?

That really hurt.  Why is it so hard for us to field a top ten team again?

This says more about how out of touch with College basketball he is than Marquette's relevance. He probably hasn't watched college basketball since the 70's

[ATL MU Warrior]

Well said.  Also recall reading here how much of a train wreck GTown was going to be this year, especially with Ewing as head coach.  Welp.  Looks like year 1 of the Ewing regime is right on schedule with year 4 of ours.

Cunzo Martin has Mizzou at 36 in Year 1, coming off their 156th ranking last season.  Turned Cal around quite nicely too.

Fair to say if next year is an NCAA miss, the natives will have every reason to be restless.

#powerpointmattas

There is a whole lot wrong with comparing what Georgetown has done this year with what Marquettehas done, at least in terms of their records. Are you using something other than W-L to compare the two?

[MU86NC]

There is a whole lot wrong with comparing what Georgetown has done this year with what Marquettehas done, at least in terms of their records. Are you using something other than W-L to compare the two?

At the end of the day what else really matters...

[Marquette4life]

At the end of the day what else really matters...

are you serious?

[Goose]

sultan

Torches and pitchforks? I would say that is over the top comment. I think some, me included, are frustrated, but far from bashing Wojo. I would even say that he is getting handled with kid gloves from most on here. Only one time in my life did I want an MU team/coach not succeed and that was Dukiet's last season. I am 100% behind Wojo, but expect far better success than has been seen to date.

[NickelDimer]

Four years in is a significant sample to evaluate a coach. I don't have much confidence that Wojo is the long term answer and I know I'm not alone. That being said I think the overwhelming majority of those that feel that way also agree wholeheartedly that Wojo needs to be the coach next year

[GGGG]

Doing the constant brown-nosing thing on a message board doesn't really matter either. Any overly optimistic or even naively positive comments or threads don't encourage the powers-that-be to keep him any longer.

Brown nosing?  Why would I have a need to brown nose him?

Yeah and I'm sure the power that be are monitoring Scoop daily to get our hot taeks on Wojo.

[Goose]

sultan

You are a homer, nothing wrong with that. Would not call you a brown nose, but you bleed the MU colors.

[Galway Eagle]

At the end of the day what else really matters...

Jesus how can someone be so naive. Please tell me why we didn't make the tournament in 2015-16 if Win count is the only thing that matters. Better yet tell me why all the conferences that have teams with win totals in the low to mid 20s don't get more bids when there's teams making the tournament with 18 and 19 wins

[MU82]

I never thought I would take my own life, but with Marquette now unquestionably the worst team in college basketball history, life isn't worth living any more.

So good-bye to all. It's been fun.

[mu_hilltopper]

I never thought I would take my own life, but with Marquette now unquestionably the worst team in college basketball history, life isn't worth living any more.

So good-bye to all. It's been fun.

That's the spirit!  Eat Arby's.

[BM1090]

Okay it's been bothering me for like 3 weeks. What is the deal with all the Arby's jokes and comments?