Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??

[MUBBau]

Currently, St. John's is the best team in the Big East. No argument can be made otherwise.

[GGGG]

sultan

You are a homer, nothing wrong with that. Would not call you a brown nose, but you bleed the MU colors.

Yeah and I am optimistic by nature.

[Goose]

sultan

That is good thing.

[MUfan12]

Okay it's been bothering me for like 3 weeks. What is the deal with all the Arby's jokes and comments?

https://twitter.com/nihilist_arbys

[StillAWarrior]

My take on why this isn't a completely ridiculous topic:  a month ago, I would have been fairly confident that Marquette would go 3-0 in the coming stretch vs. St. John's, @DePaul and @Georgetown.  I'm not particularly confident now.  I hope we do.  I think we can.  But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I'm a little worried.

[Floorslapper]

There is a whole lot wrong with comparing what Georgetown has done this year with what Marquettehas done, at least in terms of their records. Are you using something other than W-L to compare the two?

No.  Was comparing based on overall and conference record.  Why do you feel there is a whole lot wrong with comparing records?

[ATL MU Warrior]

No.  Was comparing based on overall and conference record.  Why do you feel there is a whole lot wrong with comparing records?

Look at who they played in non-con vs who we played.  Look at non-con SOS. 

[Floorslapper]

Look at who they played in non-con vs who we played.  Look at non-con SOS.

Yes.  Our schedule was more difficult, yet we didn't exactly win any games against strong non-con opposition.  LSU would rank as best win in that slate.  End of the day we are performing the same as GTown in our own conference, and they have the highest quality win in the sense of beating Butler on the road.

All of this said, I'm by no means in the camp, nor are most here, of the belief that we move on from Wojo after this year (even if we finish out the year say 1-4 in the remainder of conference games.)  Next year is the rubber meets road year without question.

I did expect better this year, however.  Felt we would be an NCAA caliber team on par with last year's team.  Looks like that will take a 4-1 and one win in BET tourney to match last year's team - and I don't think we will achieve this result.  My guess is 2-3 finish from here on out.

[skianth16]

Look at who they played in non-con vs who we played.  Look at non-con SOS.

Look at our non-con wins, though. We only got 1 win worth anything (maybe 2, maybe) out of our schedule. That, and our non-con SOS at 165 isn't exactly anything to boast about.

[frozena pizza]

Currently, St. John's is the best team in the Big East. No argument can be made otherwise.

Xavier would like a word with you.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

No.  Was comparing based on overall and conference record.  Why do you feel there is a whole lot wrong with comparing records?

lol. 

Yes.  Our schedule was more difficult, yet we didn't exactly win any games against strong non-con opposition.  LSU would rank as best win in that slate.  End of the day we are performing the same as GTown in our own conference, and they have the highest quality win in the sense of beating Butler on the road.

Not really.  Georgetown has only played Nova and X once each.  They have 2 damn near guaranteed losses left on the schedule.  Plus theyre 5-9, not 5-8. 

again, context is important. 

[skianth16]

Yes.  Our schedule was more difficult, yet we didn't exactly win any games against strong non-con opposition.  LSU would rank as best win in that slate. 

Our best win was actually against Vermont, who is a top 50 RPI team. LSU is in the mid-80s.

[MUBBau]

Xavier would like a word with you.

There's no time for logic and facts, this is a message board!

[Floorslapper]

lol. 

Not really.  Georgetown has only played Nova and X once each.  They have 2 damn near guaranteed losses left on the schedule.  Plus theyre 5-9, not 5-8. 

again, context is important.

Sure - And we haven't played Creighton yet.  Pretty sure most here never would have thought it would even be possible that we could finish roughly tied/near tied with Georgetown.  Think we will beat GTown at GTown?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Sure - And we haven't played Creighton yet.  Pretty sure most here never would have thought it would even be possible that we could finish roughly tied/near tied with Georgetown.  Think we will beat GTown at GTown?

Creighton is nowhere near as good as X and Nova. 

I think at Georgetown is a game we certainly can win.  Wouldn't be shocked if we lost.  I do think we're a better team that Gtown, but Govan and Derrickson are very good.  Shut down at least 1 like we did in Milwaukee, and I think we take care of them. 

I do think we'll finish safely ahead of Gtown in the standings.

[dinger]

Long time lurker here just checking in to say that this thread got me to go to Arby's for lunch. There are no winners.

[barfolomew]

Long time lurker here just checking in to say that this thread got me to go to Arby's for lunch. There are no winners.

Don't blame the thread for that when you could easily blame Wojo.
Or else give him a pass this time, but if by next year he doesn't have you going to Panera for lunch, he should be gone.

[The Lens]

We picked a bad time to have a BYE.

This week is turning into PEAK Scoop.

[#UnleashSean]

We picked a bad time to have a BYE.

This week is turning into PEAK Scoop.

Wait till the off season if we lose game one NIT at the AL.

[GB Warrior]

Georgetown has improved by leaps and bounds...knocked off Seton hall last Saturday and tonight won AT Butler...We all know what SJU has done lately, and even DePaul won by 18 AT Providence this last week..based on the eye test(the way teams have been playing), sadly, I think it's hard to argue that MU just might well be the worst team in the BE right now.

It is hard to argue, especially when they are not the worst team in the Big East by any objective measure.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Ewing has Georgetown doing slightly better than I expected. I had them as the 94th best team in the nation going into the season and KenPom puts them at 85th at the moment. They've had a nice two game stretch but let's not forget that before that they lost 6 of 7 including a home game to DePaul. It could be that they have turned a corner but I think they are still the same team they were when we played them. I'm more concerned if we are still the same team from the beginning of conference play.

If people are wondering why I'm not up in arms about Marquette's season its because preseason I pegged them as the 45th best team in the nation. KenPom currently has us at 50th. Being behind 5 spots is not something I will get worked up over. If we trend down more, I will be concerned. I know not all fans think that way but that's how I see it.

To whoever said Cuonzo turned Cal around quickly....lol. Cuonzo destroyed that program. He inherited a team that had gone to the NIT a year before and he left it as a team that is currently ranked #228 in KenPom. In between he had one NCAA appearance and an NIT appearance.

[GGGG]

And the one NCAA appearance was with two freshman McDAAs where they promptly lost in the first round to Hawaii.

[MU82]

It is hard to argue, especially when they are not the worst team in the Big East by any objective measure.

Just because we beat Seton Hall twice, including at their place only a week ago, you're trying to claim that we're not the worst team ever to step on a Big East court?

C'mon! Get with the program!

[muguru]

Just because we beat Seton Hall twice, including at their place only a week ago, you're trying to claim that we're not the worst team ever to step on a Big East court?

C'mon! Get with the program!

Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.

[Its DJOver]

Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.

I think Seton Halls three game losing streak, including two loses to teams currently in the bottom half of the BEast is worse than our current 1-1 road trip