The Sac Man Cometh

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Normally I would think Harry is the one you redshirt, but the guy has already sit out a year.   I just think if you redshirt John, you have no "physical option" at center for when you need it.

The already sat a year is part of my thinking but also John's connection with Sacar. Sacar is living proof of how beneficial a redshirt year can be

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Normally I would think Harry is the one you redshirt, but the guy has already sit out a year.   I just think if you redshirt John, you have no "physical option" at center for when you need it.

Agreed. Don't like the redshirt John next season idea. Harry theoretically could redshirt since this is his true sophomore season (transferred mid season), but I don't see him being interested in that, and it is so nice to have three post bodies. If anyone redshirts next season, it'll be Bailey.

It'd be fantastic to see a season where we don't lose anyone to transfer. There really aren't many candidates. Guys either project to be key contributors (Markus, Sam, Morrow) have already burned a red shirt year (Sacar, Ike, Morrow), just got here (Joey, Froling) and I don't see Heldt going anywhere - he loves Marquette and accepts his role.

That leaves the current freshman and I just don't see it with any of them. Cain and Greg and best friends and both have been solid role players as freshman - I doubt they see their roles depleting, even if they project to. And Theo's playing time is climbing and he knows Matt graduates after next season and the post could be his.

Hoping everyone returns next season, but like tower said, transfers are a part of the game and history would suggest that we'll peobably have 1.

[skianth16]

Normally I would think Harry is the one you redshirt, but the guy has already sit out a year.   I just think if you redshirt John, you have no "physical option" at center for when you need it.

If Theo is redshirted, I think Harry could be the physical option. He's had some moments this year where he's had some nice back to the basket plays. He's not as physical on the boards, but I think that could be something he improves on over the summer. He doesn't seem to mind mixing it up with some of the bigger guys in the league.

[GGGG]

If Theo is redshirted, I think Harry could be the physical option. He's had some moments this year where he's had some nice back to the basket plays. He's not as physical on the boards, but I think that could be something he improves on over the summer. He doesn't seem to mind mixing it up with some of the bigger guys in the league.

Harry is overmatched defensively almost every time he is in the game. 

[GGGG]

Agreed. Don't like the redshirt John next season idea. Harry theoretically could redshirt since this is his true sophomore season (transferred mid season), but I don't see him being interested in that, and it is so nice to have three post bodies. If anyone redshirts next season, it'll be Bailey.

I was thinking Bailey too, but he is already old. 

I think Cain might be another option.

[jsglow]

I was thinking Bailey too, but he is already old. 

I think Cain might be another option.

This.  He's arriving at 20 years old.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Back to Sacar, love what he's done but hate his shoes. Looks like he's playing in slides.

[forgetful]

Agreed. Don't like the redshirt John next season idea. Harry theoretically could redshirt since this is his true sophomore season (transferred mid season), but I don't see him being interested in that, and it is so nice to have three post bodies. If anyone redshirts next season, it'll be Bailey.

Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.

[Herman Cain]

Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.

He could apply for it.  Although,  I think there is a high probability he plays professionally in Australia . The NBL is set up to benefit Australians.

[skianth16]

Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.

Doesn't his transfer negate the ability to call last year a redshirt  year? If he were able to retroactively tag last year as a medical redshirt year, couldn't every transfer just have the new team doc throw a walking boot on the guy and give him an extra year of eligibility? He's got to lose a year of eligibility due to transfer, doesn't he?

[GGGG]

Curious question, could Harry request an injury RS for last year and technically call this his RS-Freshman year? 

He only played in 10 games (Same as Kobe King who is taking an injury RS), had a stress fracture in his foot, that did not allow him to participate once coming to MU.  He actually shouldn't have been playing on the injury while at SMU.

Don't see why he wouldn't qualify for a injury RS.  Now, he may not want to take one as he has indicated in the past that he might be willing to just go an play professionally at home, but it could be an option.

JB would be the best to answer this, but I don't think it is possible to substitute a transfer year in residence with a medical redshirt to get an extra year of eligibility.

[Big tuna]

Sac man reminds me a lot like Jimmy Butler his junior year. Jimmy was a bit soft finishing at the rim. I often noted that watching him play and then senior year Jimmy was tremendous. I see the same track for Sacar and predict he will be taking the ball to the rack with authority!

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Both Vander and Jimmy were much, much,  much,  much better defenders and shooters at sophomore and junior year than Sacar is now. I can see playstyle comparisons but not talent level comparisons

[Floorslapper]

I LOVE Cain as a prospect and player.  Think his upside is huge.  My concern is that minutes will be hard to come by for him next year, talented as he is.  No doubt a year off of skill work and serious strength and conditioning would do wonders for his game.  He is SO wiry, lanky, it takes some real time for a guy like him to put on just 10-15 pounds.

Think a guy can handle knowing up front I'm sitting out a year to improve on my strength and conditioning, and stay all in/committed to a program, rather than to stay eligible and not be happy with their playing time.  They then transfer at semester (usually), or at end of the season, and end up sitting out 1 year minimum, if not 1.5 years (Traci Carter).

Cain can be an absolute star, and could be effective as a player next year - but, he'd be poised for a monster breakout Junior red shirt year (after all of Sacar, Sam and Morrow) are gone.

[DCHoopster]

I LOVE Cain as a prospect and player.  Think his upside is huge.  My concern is that minutes will be hard to come by for him next year, talented as he is.  No doubt a year off of skill work and serious strength and conditioning would do wonders for his game.  He is SO wiry, lanky, it takes some real time for a guy like him to put on just 10-15 pounds.

Think a guy can handle knowing up front I'm sitting out a year to improve on my strength and conditioning, and stay all in/committed to a program, rather than to stay eligible and not be happy with their playing time.  They then transfer at semester (usually), or at end of the season, and end up sitting out 1 year minimum, if not 1.5 years (Traci Carter).

Cain can be an absolute star, and could be effective as a player next year - but, he'd be poised for a monster breakout Junior red shirt year (after all of Sacar, Sam and Morrow) are gone.

I agree with your assessment.  But to tell a kid that he really is not going to make a difference for 3 more years, will be hard for them to digest.  There minds think
they are good enough to be a pro in 3 years, not redshirting and really not playing much as a soph either.   Heck, Bailey might be better, then for sure he might
as well transfer. 

[GGGG]

Sac man reminds me a lot like Jimmy Butler his junior year. Jimmy was a bit soft finishing at the rim. I often noted that watching him play and then senior year Jimmy was tremendous. I see the same track for Sacar and predict he will be taking the ball to the rack with authority!

I like Sacar, but I don't even think they are in the same universe.

[wadesworld]

You don't just redshirt someone to redshirt them.  You redshirt someone who isn't quite ready to contribute.

Theo will obviously be ready to contribute next year.  Cain will too.  I can't see anyone other than Bailey redshirting and he's going to be old, so I don't think that makes sense.  I don't think we see a redshirt next season, other than a possible traditional transfer into MU.

[Lighthouse 84]

I LOVE Cain as a prospect and player.  Think his upside is huge.  My concern is that minutes will be hard to come by for him next year, talented as he is.  No doubt a year off of skill work and serious strength and conditioning would do wonders for his game.  He is SO wiry, lanky, it takes some real time for a guy like him to put on just 10-15 pounds.

Think a guy can handle knowing up front I'm sitting out a year to improve on my strength and conditioning, and stay all in/committed to a program, rather than to stay eligible and not be happy with their playing time.  They then transfer at semester (usually), or at end of the season, and end up sitting out 1 year minimum, if not 1.5 years (Traci Carter).

Cain can be an absolute star, and could be effective as a player next year - but, he'd be poised for a monster breakout Junior red shirt year (after all of Sacar, Sam and Morrow) are gone.

I agree that Cain has a huge upside.  While a redshirt year would obviously help him get bigger and stronger, I think he's going to be really good next year and see the floor irrespective of who else is on the team.

[Its DJOver]

I don't think we see a redshirt next season, other than a possible traditional transfer into MU.

I brought it up in a different thread, but a traditional PG transfer would be a great thing for this team, because as much as we need one next year, we will be in the exact same spot 12 months on if we get a grad transfer.  Unless Wojo thinks that Carton will be #donedeal, a traditional PG transfer could be better in the long run because he would have a full season to acclimate to the system.  People also have a tendency to expect too much from a grad transfer too soon, see Lockett, Carlino, and KR.  A full year practicing with the team before you get any real game time might be a better way to manage expectations. 

[ChuckyChip]

Sacar was absolutely dreadful today.

[GGGG]

Sac man reminds me a lot like Jimmy Butler his junior year. Jimmy was a bit soft finishing at the rim. I often noted that watching him play and then senior year Jimmy was tremendous. I see the same track for Sacar and predict he will be taking the ball to the rack with authority!

This didn't age well.

[mileskishnish72]

... and goeth.

[Floorslapper]

This didn't age well.

However, the dunk Sacar flushed today was an epic finish.  Probably our most powerful finish at the basket since Deonte posterized the kid from Furman, freshman year. 

Sacar had a rough game, but you look at the athleticism and strength of that finish today, and you can project an upside (not Jimmy Butler high), but that finish is something to build on.  For example, Cheatham could never dream of finishing in such a manner at the hoop.

[tower912]

Well, it was right-handed, so yeah.   Was actually missing Haanif today watching  the freshmen flail around.

[wadesworld]

Well, it was right-handed, so yeah.   Was actually missing Haanif today watching  the freshmen flail around.

I think Haanif has about 38 turnovers at St. John's last year. In fact, I think he just committed another one as I type this.