How many big east coachs would you trade for?

[82fanatic]

With all this negative coach talk, instead of how would you rank him, how about who you would trade him for.   I list only 1 or 2.  I think he is improving as a coach, and will continue to improve.   But recruiting is more important.   Get the right players, coaching becomes easier.   

[MU82]

None.

Best coach ever.

I think we need one more thread with this tone, though.

[brewcity77]

I think we need one more thread with this tone, though.

Well of course YOU do, the thread starter is a personal fan of yours apparently.

[GGGG]

Mack, Wright, Cooley.

That's it.

[skianth16]

Mack, Wright, Cooley.

That's it.

I think I'd add McDermott to that list. He's had success at different schools and in different conferences. I think he's proven himself enough that I'd be happy to take him over Wojo. Proven success > potential for success in my eyes.

[Eldon]

Given Wojo's salary, MU could probably hire Wright, Mack, Cooley, and McDermott at the same time (Wright as head coach, obviously, with the others as assistants).

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I think I'd add McDermott to that list. He's had success at different schools and in different conferences. I think he's proven himself enough that I'd be happy to take him over Wojo. Proven success > potential for success in my eyes.

Except for that stop at Iowa State.

[drewm88]

Mack, Wright, Cooley.

That's it.

I'm about in the same place, but I wonder about Wojo's potential to get better and if it will put him above Cooley.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Right now, today?  Wright, Mack, Cooley and McDermott - in that order.  Willard has not been consistent enough, and this year's team is senior-heavy.  He was on the hot seat a few years ago due to inconsistency.  Jordan, Ewing and Mullin would have never been considered for an MU head coaching job.  Leitao is bad. 

[skianth16]

Except for that stop at Iowa State.

Yeah, not his best work there. But he bounced back well at Creighton, and he's been successful in both the MVC and the Big East now. If you can win 25 games in the Big East, I think you're doing a lot of things very, very well.

[MU82]

Proven success > potential for success in my eyes.

I wonder how many Eagles fans would have traded Doug Pederson for a coach with "proven success" after the team went 7-9 in his first season in Philly.

Hell, I wonder how many Eagles fans would have physically run Pederson out of town.

An ESPN article rated all the coaching hires after the 2015 offseason. Pederson finished dead last, largely because he had little experience.

Dunno. Seems like a pretty good coach to me.

[chapman]

Wright, Mack, McDermott, Cooley.  Need more track record on Jordan and Ewing, so no for now.  No on Leitao, Mullin, or Willard.

[Its DJOver]

While I wouldn't trade Wojo for him. I'd consider trading any assistant not named Stan for Leitao.  I think his experience would certainly help our young staff.  The problem he has at Depaul is that expectations are essentially zero and the program ceilings is essentially zero until they get a new AD.  He is not the biggest problem in that organization.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

For how good they are as coaches right now? Wright, Mack, Cooley, and McDermott.

For how good I think they can become in the future? Wright, Mack, Cooley.

I think Wojo will be a better coach than McD eventually. I think Wojo could match Cooley and possibly even Mack but will need to show a lot more to even to make that seem possible. Wright seems like a possible HOFer to me....and he's a classy motherFer.

Jordan has been impressive so far. I thought this Butler team would be a bubble team and finish 6th in the BEast and he has them playing at a higher level than that. I still think it's way too early to know for sure how he will end up. The Jordan Tucker kid is a nice mid-season pick up but the 2018 class is looking sparse. Let's see how he does over the next few years.

Ewing has done pretty well with a roster that most expected to only get 2 or 3 wins in the BEast. He only needs one more to surpass that and has kept in close in more games than I certainly thought they could. Still too early to tell how he will end up.

I think Wojo is already better than and will stay better than Willard, Leitao, and Mullen.

[Herman Cain]

For how good they are as coaches right now? Wright, Mack, Cooley, and McDermott.

For how good I think they can become in the future? Wright, Mack, Cooley.

I think Wojo will be a better coach than McD eventually. I think Wojo could match Cooley and possibly even Mack but will need to show a lot more to even to make that seem possible. Wright seems like a possible HOFer to me....and he's a classy motherFer.

Jordan has been impressive so far. I thought this Butler team would be a bubble team and finish 6th in the BEast and he has them playing at a higher level than that. I still think it's way too early to know for sure how he will end up. The Jordan Tucker kid is a nice mid-season pick up but the 2018 class is looking sparse. Let's see how he does over the next few years.

Ewing has done pretty well with a roster that most expected to only get 2 or 3 wins in the BEast. He only needs one more to surpass that and has kept in close in more games than I certainly thought they could. Still too early to tell how he will end up.

I think Wojo is already better than and will stay better than Willard, Leitao, and Mullen.

One thing worth noting about Greg McDermott, is that he has consistently been able to bring in good quality transfers.  He is building off the good on court performance, and now starting to  go after, and sign, some decent high school talent. The Creighton style of play is appealing and the whole sold out arena and playing in the Big East closes the deal with some of these kids.  The injury to Maurice Watson Jr. last year was unfortunate as the team looked like it was potentially headed to an Sweet 16 or better performance.  I think the work that McDermott is doing at Creighton is sustainable for the long term.  The school is strongly backing the program as well, so I don't think he will be tempted to take an offer from a beaten down Power 5 program if it materializes.  That stability makes it easier for him to recruit.

[Its DJOver]

Didn't McDermott turn down OSU before they offered Holtmann?  If he can turn that away, there are very few jobs he would take, especially considering he has shown no desire to try the NBA.  That may change, but he appears to be there for a while.

[GGGG]

Didn't McDermott turn down OSU before they offered Holtmann?  If he can turn that away, there are very few jobs he would take, especially considering he has shown no desire to try the NBA.  That may change, but he appears to be there for a while.

I'm not sure that is exactly what happened. 

[Its DJOver]

I'm not sure that is exactly what happened. 

How'd it go down then?

[tower912]

Seeing an uncommon name at the start of a poll made me check him out.    Checking him out led me to a thread he posted in 11 years ago.    Reading through that thread, I saw that I had used nearly the same language in 2007 to defend Crean that I am now using to defend Wojo.     Conclusions:    I like keeping the coaches we have.    I really turned on Crean over the next year.    I need a bigger vocabulary.   

[GGGG]

How'd it go down then?

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that he either was never really offered the job or that the offer was pulled when Holtmann said yes.

[Herman Cain]

I don't know for sure, but my guess is that he either was never really offered the job or that the offer was pulled when Holtmann said yes.

The previous President of Creighton, Timothy Lannon,  had built a very strong relationship with  Warren Buffet ,and other Key executives at Berkshire Hathaway, over the years.  Suffice to say there is funding for whatever is needed at Creighton basketball.  That message was reinforced at the time Ohio State came looking. 

[Its DJOver]

The previous President of Creighton, Timothy Lannon,  had built a very strong relationship with  Warren Buffet ,and other Key executives at Berkshire Hathaway, over the years.  Suffice to say there is funding for whatever is needed at Creighton basketball.  That message was reinforced at the time Ohio State came looking. 

I realize that basketball is everything to Creighton, but I find it hard to believe that OSU was turned down because they weren't offering enough money.  Holtmann is now making almost three times as much as McDermott.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

How'd it go down then?

Coaches often have certain people around them who will float rumors about the coaches to the media. Media picks up the story, makes it seem like Coach X to School Y is a #donedeal, and then Coach X's original school all of the sudden offers a contract extension, raise, or new student manager dedicated to flushing for the coach. That seems to be what happened with McD and tOSU.

We recently had a coach who was very good at this.

[Its DJOver]

Coaches often have certain people around them who will float rumors about the coaches to the media. Media picks up the story, makes it seem like Coach X to School Y is a #donedeal, and then Coach X's original school all of the sudden offers a contract extension, raise, or new student manager dedicated to flushing for the coach. That seems to be what happened with McD and tOSU.

We recently had a coach who was very good at this.

That makes more sense. Thanks

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I have no idea if this has ANY merit whatsoever....so take with a large grain of salt.

But I've heard that McDermott may not be squeaky clean. My original reaction was "that's BS"...but this particular person who is fairly well connected has mentioned it to me multiple times.  Again...I have no idea if there is any merit, just thought I'd mention it.