More school shootings (but now's not the time to talk about it)

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Agree that there should be paper ballots, always.

Agree completely with this.

Also, voting by mail appears to work very well in Oregon.

[muwarrior69]

Speaking of Gerrymandering, here's a really fun interactive map from 538 on how you can "manipulate" election results simply by how you draw district maps (and an example why the framers made the Senate the upper/more powerful chamber). Play around with it, it is very interesting and also drives home that Republicans have a "natural" electoral advantage due to population concentration by Democrats.

It is my understanding that California has about 2 million undocumented plus a good amount of documented, but non-citizens. That's at least 3 congressional districts that California gets that are taken away from states that have actual citizens. All perfectly legal.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

It is my understanding that California has about 2 million undocumented plus a good amount of documented, but non-citizens. That's at least 3 congressional districts that California gets that are taken away from states that have actual citizens. All perfectly legal.

Are we going to do the same for Texas?  Florida?  Arizona?

[Jay Bee]

IMO, non-voters aren't discouraged by the timing, they're discouraged by politics and hopelessness .. .weekend voting would only have a tiny effect, if at all.

...and many aren't discouraged at all. They're simply uneducated, lazy and don't care.

[MU82]

But how 'bout them shootings?

More guns! We need more, more, more!!!!

[naginiF]

Unfortunate bump

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/los-angeles-sal-castro-middle-school-shooting/index.html?adkey=bn

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Unfortunate bump

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/los-angeles-sal-castro-middle-school-shooting/index.html?adkey=bn

A female this time, which is a huge departure. 

[mu-rara]

Let's make more laws....that law abiding citizens will follow, and those deranged enough to kill random citizens will not care about. 

Something needs to be done.  I agree with that.

GUN laws are not the answer. 

Let the name calling begin.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Let's make more laws....that law abiding citizens will follow, and those deranged enough to kill random citizens will not care about. 

Something needs to be done.  I agree with that.

GUN laws are not the answer. 

Let the name calling begin.

So something needs to be done, but not gun laws?  What would you suggest then?

We have laws against robbing banks (or more broadly robbery of any sort), but some people choose not to follow them.  Should we get rid of those laws?

[mu-rara]

So something needs to be done, but not gun laws?  What would you suggest then?

We have laws against robbing banks (or more broadly robbery of any sort), but some people choose not to follow them.  Should we get rid of those laws?

No, that would be reckless.  There are thousands of gun laws already, many of which don't get enforced.  There is a high school kid that was just convicted of ARMED robbery in Milwaukee recently and he is still playing HS basketball, because he hasn't been sentenced. (That is a whole extra topic)  Oh, the gun charge was dropped.  That is how seriously judges take more gun laws.

Criminals don't care about gun laws.  Folks with mental health issues don't care either.  The solution to random shootings is very complex and needs to be examined by professionals (not politicians).  Gun laws have been added for years and the issue continues. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

No, that would be reckless.  There are thousands of gun laws already, many of which don't get enforced.  There is a high school kid that was just convicted of ARMED robbery in Milwaukee recently and he is still playing HS basketball, because he hasn't been sentenced. (That is a whole extra topic)  Oh, the gun charge was dropped.  That is how seriously judges take more gun laws.

Criminals don't care about gun laws.  Folks with mental health issues don't care either.  The solution to random shootings is very complex and needs to be examined by professionals (not politicians).  Gun laws have been added for years and the issue continues.

Well if not gun laws, what do you suggest?  Because criminals and folks with mental health issues don't care about ANY laws, it isn't restricted to gun laws.

[MU82]

Well if not gun laws, what do you suggest? 

Thoughts and prayers, of course!

[Pakuni]

So something needs to be done, but not gun laws?  What would you suggest then?

We have laws against robbing banks (or more broadly robbery of any sort), but some people choose not to follow them.  Should we get rid of those laws?

If we outlaw bank robbery, only outlaws will rob banks.
#nralogic

[GooooMarquette]

Let's make more laws....that law abiding citizens will follow, and those deranged enough to kill random citizens will not care about. 

Something needs to be done.  I agree with that.

GUN laws are not the answer. 

Let the name calling begin.

You admit that something needs to be done and you admit you don't know the answer...but you claim to be so certain that new gun laws aren't the answer.

If the solution is too complicated for you, how can you be so sure that it isn't a gun law that you just haven't considered yet?

[Galway Eagle]

No, that would be reckless.  There are thousands of gun laws already, many of which don't get enforced.  There is a high school kid that was just convicted of ARMED robbery in Milwaukee recently and he is still playing HS basketball, because he hasn't been sentenced. (That is a whole extra topic)  Oh, the gun charge was dropped.  That is how seriously judges take more gun laws.

Criminals don't care about gun laws.  Folks with mental health issues don't care either.  The solution to random shootings is very complex and needs to be examined by professionals (not politicians).  Gun laws have been added for years and the issue continues.

So just for funsies let's change the aforementioned issue here to global warming. "Global warming is very complex and needs to be examined by professionals (not politicians"). Environmtal laws have been added for years and the issue continues."

See then those professionals said more needs to be done and the right went nuts claiming fake news and fake science. If these "professionals" you want to have fix the problem were to ever discredit your viewpoint on gun laws they'd be thrown under the bus in an instant.

[MU82]

I'm gonna try something different in hopes of solving this once and for all. Instead of going with the lame "thoughts and prayers," I'm going to something radical ...

Prayers and thoughts.

See, the problem was that we weren't putting "prayers" first. God surely will take care of this now, especially when she notices the colorful font!

[mu-rara]

Typical of all you guys.

You don't answer any of my legitimate points.  How long has the USA been adding gun laws?  How is that working?

This is the way liberals answer any issue.  Good intentions are the only thing that counts. 

Why aren't you screaming about judges who refuse to enforce gun laws?  No comment on the HS basketball player recently CONVICTED of ARMED ROBBERY, yet is still allowed to play HIGH SCHOOL basketball because he hasn't been sentenced.

How about this.  Criminals have been allowed to get away with gun crimes for so long, they don't give a damn.   How is that for the answer?  You want to weaken the justice system.  Continue to pass laws that you have no intention of enforcing.

I'm done.  I know the vocal minority will be all over me.  The silent majority that agrees with me has the brains to ignore your weak arguments.

[MU82]

nm

was gonna say something snarky, but I've said my piece.

[tower912]

Thoughts and prayers.

[naginiF]

nm

was gonna say something snarky, but I've said my piece.

Does that make you part of the "super smart" silent majority?

[Jockey]

Typical of all you guys.

You don't answer any of my legitimate points.  How long has the USA been adding gun laws?  How is that working?

This is the way liberals answer any issue.  Good intentions are the only thing that counts. 

Why aren't you screaming about judges who refuse to enforce gun laws?  No comment on the HS basketball player recently CONVICTED of ARMED ROBBERY, yet is still allowed to play HIGH SCHOOL basketball because he hasn't been sentenced.

How about this.  Criminals have been allowed to get away with gun crimes for so long, they don't give a damn.   How is that for the answer?  You want to weaken the justice system.  Continue to pass laws that you have no intention of enforcing.

Since you made this blatantly political by attacking me and my fellow liberals, I will respond.

There is ONE Creep in this country who is trying to destroy the Judicial System and the Rule of Law. You are only too anxious to join him.

Common sense should rule this issue. When car traffic deaths spike, we immediately look to the cause and change the law as necessary. The fools and traitors on you side refuse to do the same for gun crimes.


Now, please Mods, lock this thread. (I am sure that rara and the brain surgeon will whine, whine, whine about me in "secret memos" to you, so just close it down now).

[Benny B]

Since you made this blatantly political by attacking me and my fellow liberals, I will respond.

There is ONE Creep in this country who is trying to destroy the Judicial System and the Rule of Law. You are only too anxious to join him.

Common sense should rule this issue. When car traffic deaths spike, we immediately look to the cause and change the law as necessary. The fools and traitors on you side refuse to do the same for gun crimes.


Now, please Mods, lock this thread. (I am sure that rara and the brain surgeon will whine, whine, whine about me in "secret memos" to you, so just close it down now).

If only everyone could be more polarizing, categorizing and divisive, we would be more apt to working together to solve issues, right?

Jockey, I'm sorry to be the one that has to break it to you, but you appear to be no liberal.  Liberals are peaceful, tolerant and inclusive while you are simply acting like some vengeful mirror image of an alt-right neo-nazi.

Alt-right or alt-left, you're all wrong.   

[Lennys Tap]

Liberals are peaceful, tolerant and inclusive.

TAMU and Tower qualify. So does 82 (much of the time) and I'm sure some I'm forgetting. But you're right, leftist doesn't = liberal any more than alt right = conservative.

[MU82]

TAMU and Tower qualify. So does 82 (much of the time) and I'm sure some I'm forgetting. But you're right, leftist doesn't = liberal any more than alt right = conservative.

Much of the thanks, Lenny!

[tower912]

That is very kind, Lenny