WI Supreme Court Takes McAdams' Case

[brewcity77]

I don't disagree, but the thing I struggle to wrap my head around is how do you ensure that people who are voting should/are allowed to vote. I totally get that voter fraud seems to be relatively rare, but I think in part that's because a lot of people aren't voting generally. Automatic registration makes voter fraud more viable.

I'm really torn on the whole thing because I absolutely want to make sure everyone who wants to vote can, but I also want to preserve the sanctity of every vote cast.

4 verified cases in 2016 out of over a hundred million ballots cast. Generally speaking, it's not a thing.

...but there are Judges who have ruled that even proof of citizenship is an obstacle to voting.

It is. Proof of citizenship or voter ID is a violation of the 24th Amendment that prohibits a poll tax. A photo ID costs money. The government is illegally collecting money in exchange for your right to vote. Voter ID laws are unconstitutional.

Selectively harder for *some* people to vote.  It's a feature, not a bug.

Yeah...sadly true.

[Billy Hoyle]

4 verified cases in 2016 out of over a hundred million ballots cast. Generally speaking, it's not a thing.

It is. Proof of citizenship or voter ID is a violation of the 24th Amendment that prohibits a poll tax. A photo ID costs money. The government is illegally collecting money in exchange for your right to vote. Voter ID laws are unconstitutional.

Yeah...sadly true.

You nailed it here. Like MS-13, "voter fraud" is a blown up scare tactic with racial undertones to it.

I don't have an issue with Voter ID, but the impediments put in place to get an ID are racially motivated and discriminatory. Closing DMV offices in minority neighborhoods. No, that isn't coincidental. Requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, again, not coincidental. Until they are readily and easily available for all then should not be required.

Closing polling stations in minority neighborhoods or on college campuses, places that are known to vote more heavily Democratic, are also racially motivated and also motivated by partisanship.  We should be focusing on expanding the ability to vote, but the right is looking for ways to lower turnout and eligibility.

The highest profile cases of voter "fraud" right now is a white girl in Kansas who accidentally cast a ballot in her home state of Colorado too. No outrage on the right over her though since she's white and voted twice for Trump. Also, a white woman in Iowa admitted voting for Trump twice because she believed Trump saying the election would be rigged. Probation for her. A white woman who submitted an absentee ballot for Trump on behalf of her dead mom: no charges. But a black woman who was misadvised on her eligibility to vote due to being on probation, and who only submitted a provisional ballot that was never counted - five years in jail.

[mu03eng]

4 verified cases in 2016 out of over a hundred million ballots cast. Generally speaking, it's not a thing.

Don't disagree.....my point is that if you go to mandatory voting it could become a thing.

[brewcity77]

Don't disagree.....my point is that if you go to mandatory voting it could become a thing.

I'm personally more on board with automatic registration and making voting easier. It should be at least a two-day weekend procedure, but I think opening it up to a week would also be fine. Allow mail-in ballots like California does. Expand early voting. And if people are serious about reducing voter fraud, eliminate voting machines and go to all manually counted paper ballots.

I'm not sure how you would implement mandatory voting. I'm not sure what effective repercussions could be enforced. I think making voting easier will increase turnout, and what we should want is an electorate that wants to participate in our democracy.

[mu03eng]

You nailed it here. Like MS-13, "voter fraud" is a blown up scare tactic with racial undertones to it.

I don't have an issue with Voter ID, but the impediments put in place to get an ID are racially motivated and discriminatory. Closing DMV offices in minority neighborhoods. No, that isn't coincidental. Requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, again, not coincidental. Until they are readily and easily available for all then should not be required.

Closing polling stations in minority neighborhoods or on college campuses, places that are known to vote more heavily Democratic, are also racially motivated and also motivated by partisanship.  We should be focusing on expanding the ability to vote, but the right is looking for ways to lower turnout and eligibility.

The highest profile cases of voter "fraud" right now is a white girl in Kansas who accidentally cast a ballot in her home state of Colorado too. No outrage on the right over her though since she's white and voted twice for Trump. Also, a white woman in Iowa admitted voting for Trump twice because she believed Trump saying the election would be rigged. Probation for her. A white woman who submitted an absentee ballot for Trump on behalf of her dead mom: no charges. But a black woman who was misadvised on her eligibility to vote due to being on probation, and who only submitted a provisional ballot that was never counted - five years in jail.

This is the issue I have.....voter eligibility confirmation should absolutely be a thing in the abstract, but the actual implementation is completely corrupted by the governments who run elections.

It's been a dream of mine that governments out source elections and not actually manage them themselves.

[Galway Eagle]

This is the issue I have.....voter eligibility confirmation should absolutely be a thing in the abstract, but the actual implementation is completely corrupted by the governments who run elections.

It's been a dream of mine that governments out source elections and not actually manage them themselves.

Outsourcing elections to anybody would be just as partisan if not moreso than the government running them.

[mu03eng]

Outsourcing elections to anybody would be just as partisan if not moreso than the government running them.

Why? It's basically an outcropping of something survey monkey does or what PWC does for the Oscars, why can't a 3rd party company run an election without it being partisan?

[tower912]

Why? It's basically an outcropping of something survey monkey does or what PWC does for the Oscars, why can't a 3rd party company run an election without it being partisan?

Even less accountability and safeguards. 

[Galway Eagle]

Even less accountability and safeguards.

This.

[Jockey]

Outsourcing elections to anybody would be just as partisan if not moreso than the government running them.

Why is that?

[Pakuni]

Why? It's basically an outcropping of something survey monkey does or what PWC does for the Oscars, why can't a 3rd party company run an election without it being partisan?

PWC and the Oscars might not be the best example.

[Galway Eagle]

Why is that?

See towers post that I quoted and then said "this"

[Pakuni]

Why is that?

There are tons of problems with outsourcing elections.
First among them, the federal government doesn't run elections. Each state runs its own elections. So, besides possibly a constitutional amendment, there's no way to require all 50 states to outsource their elections.

[mu03eng]

There are tons of problems with outsourcing elections.
First among them, the federal government doesn't run elections. Each state runs its own elections. So, besides possibly a constitutional amendment, there's no way to require all 50 states to outsource their elections.

I mean cities, counties, states all potentially out sourcing, not saying it's required I just think it would make life easier.

[mu03eng]

PWC and the Oscars might not be the best example.

Well unless we're going to do a game show on election night that involves envelope opening, I think it's ok

[mu03eng]

Even less accountability and safeguards.

Why? Guarantee I can build you a contract that would ensure high accountability and safeguards that are better than what the government does, especially if you move to an automatic registration model.

[Coleman]

Back to the McAdams case...

The most disturbing thing to me about this ruling is that the court effectively ruled that students have zero expectation of privacy with regard to their personal information, and its use and dissemination by their university, faculty members, and other students.

The crux of this case was not the conduct of the student, academic freedom, etc., but the posting of personal information of a student without consent in a method that made it extremely likely to be used for harassment, unwelcome contact, and bullying. Marquette, correctly, viewed this behavior as unethical/unprofessional and deserving of disciplinary action.

As someone who works in the data privacy sphere, this court's ruling is extremely alarming to me. Consent should always be obtained prior to collection and dissemination of personal information. The fact that the personal information was also placed elsewhere, such as a university directory, DOES NOT CONSTITUTE CONSENT.

This outcome is yet another indication that our views of privacy in this country are so ridiculously ass backwards.

[Blue Horseshoe]

Back to the McAdams case...

The most disturbing thing to me about this ruling is that the court effectively ruled that students have zero expectation of privacy with regard to their personal information, and its use and dissemination by their university, faculty members, and other students.

The crux of this case was not the conduct of the student, academic freedom, etc., but the posting of personal information of a student without consent in a method that made it extremely likely to be used for harassment, unwelcome contact, and bullying. Marquette, correctly, viewed this behavior as unethical/unprofessional and deserving of disciplinary action.

As someone who works in the data privacy sphere, this court's ruling is extremely alarming to me. Consent should always be obtained prior to collection and dissemination of personal information. The fact that the personal information was also placed elsewhere, such as a university directory, DOES NOT CONSTITUTE CONSENT.

This outcome is yet another indication that our views of privacy in this country are so ridiculously ass backwards.

The crux is blogging about a public blog? Why would public blogs be shielded or protected from criticism?

[Jockey]

There are tons of problems with outsourcing elections.
First among them, the federal government doesn't run elections. Each state runs its own elections. So, besides possibly a constitutional amendment, there's no way to require all 50 states to outsource their elections.

I agree with what you are saying, Pakuni, but I was not speaking to the logistics of doing so.

My "Why is that?" response was to the post that said "Outsourcing elections to anybody would be just as partisan if not moreso than the government running them."

[Jay Bee]

Coleman is lying; likely has not read the opinion & related documents. #FakeNews

[GGGG]

Coleman is lying; likely has not read the opinion & related documents. #FakeNews

I read it. I think it's clear that the court made a narrow ruling that applied very specifically to this case and didn't set broad precedents with regards to academic freedom and contractual law.

In other words they crafted an opinion to get the result they wanted. As I said, it was political.

[Blue Horseshoe]

In other words they crafted an opinion to get the result they wanted. As I said, it was political.

In other words, a conspiracy by "The State" to control private business... Politics, plain & simple

[GGGG]

In other words, a conspiracy by "The State" to control private business... Politics, plain & simple

No.

[Benny B]

Not a red herring.
Refusing to participate in the electoral process is a protected form of political speech.

Apply the same logic to union participation / right-to-work, and I guarantee you sing a different tune.

[Jockey]

In other words, a conspiracy by "The State" to control private business... Politics, plain & simple

Where do you people come up with this crap?

Oh, yeah......