2018 Grad Transfer Thread, Updated 4/19/2018

[We R Final Four]

Nm

[forgetful]

Any chance of getting any of the Nova guards as grad transfers.

[wadesworld]

Any chance of getting any of the Nova guards as grad transfers.

Brunson is eigible to do that...

Booth too I think.

[MU82]

This is what I mean, Mike. If somebody actually calls Wojo a failure for losing Chartnouy (extremely unlikely IMHO) address it then. Pre-emptive whining doesn't suit you.

Definitely hyperbole by me. But go back and check the threads when MU was going after Grimes. MUCH talk about Wojo "losing" Grimes, as if he was ours to lose. It was beyond silly.

So yeah, if Chartouny has MU in his final few and if he ends up at another school, there will be those whining about Wojo "losing" him.

But yes, "failure" was too strong a word. Mea culpa. (Then again, a few here already have deemed him the opposite of successful ... )

[We R Final Four]

Wades—please provide a list of Brunson’s top 5........man I hope we make it—we have a lot to offer!

[brewcity77]

Brunson is eigible to do that...

Booth too I think.

They are eligible to go. We are not eligible to take them, however.

[We R Final Four]

No nights off Brew?

[wadesworld]

No nights off Brew?

https://youtu.be/8s18ZjiQ_iQ

[auburnmarquette]

Any chance of getting any of the Nova guards as grad transfers.

Yes, I bet a lot of us were laughing and thinking the same thing when they said brunson was graduating after three years :-)

[WarriorFan]

Yep, this was my thought as well... has Wojo got a good enough story to convince him to grad transfer vs. making millions!

[burger]

Recruiting your own back yard.....

Stevenson HS.....Deerield Il.....

70 miles from MU campus......

Sure a 5 star.....

But us....and all the schools around the area can not let players like this get away......

[GGGG]

Because of his father's career, Jalen spent high school in Illinois but really isn't a midwestern guy.  Philly is home, which is why he committed to Temple first (parent's alma mater) before backing out and going to Nova.

[WarriorDad]

Custer said on the radio yesterday he is coming back to Loyola. No surprise to most, but if anyone missed that announcement it should put it bed for good.

[Pakuni]

Because of his father's career, Jalen spent high school in Illinois but really isn't a midwestern guy.  Philly is home, which is why he committed to Temple first (parent's alma mater) before backing out and going to Nova.

FWIW, he committed to Temple because Rick was going to be an assistant coach there. Temple pulled the job offer to Rick when he got arrested for groping a masseuse (later acquitted) and Jalen switched his commitment to Nova.

[GGGG]

FWIW, he committed to Temple because Rick was going to be an assistant coach there. Temple pulled the job offer to Rick when he got arrested for groping a masseuse (later acquitted) and Jalen switched his commitment to Nova.

Oh yeah that's right.  Forgot about those details.

[Lennys Tap]

Definitely hyperbole by me. But go back and check the threads when MU was going after Grimes. MUCH talk about Wojo "losing" Grimes, as if he was ours to lose. It was beyond silly.

So yeah, if Chartouny has MU in his final few and if he ends up at another school, there will be those whining about Wojo "losing" him.

We disagree semantically, I guess. The nature of recruiting (unless you're Duke or Kentucky) is that you will lose more battles than you'll win. So I don't blame Wojo for losing Grimes because it was an uphill battle where we were always the underdog. But we still "lost" - saying that recruiting is all wins (the ones you sign) and no losses (the ones you go hard after but get away) doesn't make sense to me. Every school sign players. The ones who sign the best ones are the winners - and so on.

[GGGG]

We disagree semantically, I guess. The nature of recruiting (unless you're Duke or Kentucky) is that you will lose more battles than you'll win. So I don't blame Wojo for losing Grimes because it was an uphill battle where we were always the underdog. But we still "lost" - saying that recruiting is all wins (the ones you sign) and no losses (the ones you go hard after but get away) doesn't make sense to me. Every school sign players. The ones who sign the best ones are the winners - and so on.

Right.  Recruiting is an investment of time.  The key is to invest that time to get the best return.

So after Joey committed, it made perfect sense to go hard after Grimes.  There wasn't a scholarship available at the time, so they were either going after a really high level player or no one else.  A perfectly acceptable investment of time.

Now if we had four openings, the answer might have been different.

[JakeBarnes]

Right.  Recruiting is an investment of time.  The key is to invest that time to get the best return.

So after Joey committed, it made perfect sense to go hard after Grimes.  There wasn't a scholarship available at the time, so they were either going after a really high level player or no one else.  A perfectly acceptable investment of time.

Now if we had four openings, the answer might have been different.

Some might say that behavior if we had four openings would be dumb and dangerous.

[Its DJOver]

Some might say that behavior if we had four openings would be dumb and dangerous.

Unless you can get a #donedeal

[Lennys Tap]

Right.  Recruiting is an investment of time.  The key is to invest that time to get the best return.

So after Joey committed, it made perfect sense to go hard after Grimes.  There wasn't a scholarship available at the time, so they were either going after a really high level player or no one else.  A perfectly acceptable investment of time.

Now if we had four openings, the answer might have been different.

I agree with this analysis.

[MU82]

We disagree semantically, I guess. The nature of recruiting (unless you're Duke or Kentucky) is that you will lose more battles than you'll win. So I don't blame Wojo for losing Grimes because it was an uphill battle where we were always the underdog. But we still "lost" - saying that recruiting is all wins (the ones you sign) and no losses (the ones you go hard after but get away) doesn't make sense to me. Every school sign players. The ones who sign the best ones are the winners - and so on.

I understand, Lenny.

Here's where I come from:

We had Wally and thus immediately became the favorite to get Henry. If he had gone somewhere else, Wojo would have "lost" him. We had Sam and thus immediately became the favorite to get Joey. If he had gone elsewhere, Wojo would have "lost" him. In my mind at least, Henry and Joey were "Wojo's to lose." Buzz had JJJ locked up; if for some reason he had ended up going elsewhere, I would have said Buzz "lost" him. And so on.

When Bruce Weber had Eric Gordon at Illinois and then Indiana stole him away, Weber "lost" Gordon.

Grimes was not Wojo's to "lose." And Chartouny certainly does not appear to be Wojo's to "lose."

That's how I look at these things, and I have the same standards for every coach at every school. Obviously, MU is the one I follow closely.

But sure, I understand the semantics the way you explained how you look at it. It's OK for us to respectfully disagree!

[Silkk the Shaka]

I understand, Lenny.

Here's where I come from:

We had Wally and thus immediately became the favorite to get Henry. If he had gone somewhere else, Wojo would have "lost" him. We had Sam and thus immediately became the favorite to get Joey. If he had gone elsewhere, Wojo would have "lost" him. In my mind at least, Henry and Joey were "Wojo's to lose." Buzz had JJJ locked up; if for some reason he had ended up going elsewhere, I would have said Buzz "lost" him. And so on.

When Bruce Weber had Eric Gordon at Illinois and then Indiana stole him away, Weber "lost" Gordon.

Grimes was not Wojo's to "lose." And Chartouny certainly does not appear to be Wojo's to "lose."

That's how I look at these things, and I have the same standards for every coach at every school. Obviously, MU is the one I follow closely.

But sure, I understand the semantics the way you explained how you look at it. It's OK for us to respectfully disagree!

Damn, is he leaning somewhere? or just no clear favorite/discernable lean?

[Lennys Tap]

I understand, Lenny.

Here's where I come from:

We had Wally and thus immediately became the favorite to get Henry. If he had gone somewhere else, Wojo would have "lost" him. We had Sam and thus immediately became the favorite to get Joey. If he had gone elsewhere, Wojo would have "lost" him. In my mind at least, Henry and Joey were "Wojo's to lose." Buzz had JJJ locked up; if for some reason he had ended up going elsewhere, I would have said Buzz "lost" him. And so on.

When Bruce Weber had Eric Gordon at Illinois and then Indiana stole him away, Weber "lost" Gordon.

Grimes was not Wojo's to "lose." And Chartouny certainly does not appear to be Wojo's to "lose."

That's how I look at these things, and I have the same standards for every coach at every school. Obviously, MU is the one I follow closely.

But sure, I understand the semantics the way you explained how you look at it. It's OK for us to respectfully disagree!

Understand, Mike - and see your point. But to me, when we lose a game to Villanova at their place (even though we all expect it) it's a loss. Not as painful as an unexpected home loss to an Omaha or DePaul, but a loss nonetheless.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Damn, is he leaning somewhere? or just no clear favorite/discernable lean?

As far as I can tell he has made no public statements about where he wants to go yet.

Purdue,  SMU,  Nevada,  and us seem to be chasing him. No idea if the feeling is mutual

[MU82]

Understand, Mike - and see your point. But to me, when we lose a game to Villanova at their place (even though we all expect it) it's a loss. Not as painful as an unexpected home loss to an Omaha or DePaul, but a loss nonetheless.

I don't think it's the same thing at all. But again, we can disagree.